Israel Declares War

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Smoke

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I’m not sure I’m “admitting” anything.

Other than the fact that in every war civilians die in efforts to destroy an enemy.
In just about every war, I would agree that civilians die in efforts to destroy an enemy. However, not often do exponentially more civilians die than actual enemy combatants. Literally no one thinks more Hamas terrorists are being blown up than Palestinian children, so hopefully that talking point is never repeated again.

What war hasn’t that happened?
Once again, not common for more civilians to be blown up. This is deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians, most of which are children. You can pretend they are "targeting Hamas", but you just got done admitting "Israel wouldn't target their own people" when asked if they would do this if Hamas was hiding within their borders. It's clearly targeting children. Even if this was the norm, it's established in international law that you cannot do this.

But I was more addressing the silliness of the question. “ Would Israel conduct the war in the same manner if hamas were hiding in Israel, or using Israelis as human shields, in Israel”.?
I understand you think it's silly. It was clever in that it exposes the true nature of a person's heart. With you for example, you admitted "Israel wouldn't target it's own people"... They were "targeting Hamas" inside Israel though.... You just know it's deliberately going to target their own people because more Israelis would be blown up than Hamas terrorists. For this reason, we can state Israel is targeting Palestinian civilians while they supposedly target Hamas as well. I still don't know if you understand what you're admitting here.

With that ridiculous rationale, Israel could TODAY wipe every person, their own people held hostage included, off the Gazan map!
I mean, Israel is doing a fantastic job thus far in wiping out the people in Gaza. We agree they wouldn't "target their own people" if Hamas was in Israel. They would actually be more discriminate in their eradication of Hamas. Most people just want Israel to defend itself not by committing genocide, but with a more discriminate assault.
 

PennEd

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I have to credit my son for this research.

4 horses of the apocalypse; Palestinian Flag:

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Muslim Nations flags:



Who can spot the similarities?
 

PennEd

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This is deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians, most of which are children.
I believe this to be a lie.
No. I know the dude thought it was, and apparently you do too, but, yeah, it's silly.

wiping out the people in Gaza.
There is aprox. 10,000 Gazan deaths so far.

That represents about 0.3 % of the Population. Is that your definition of "wiping out" a country's population?

Israel to defend itself not by committing genocide, but with a more discriminate assault.
They ARE defending themselves by eliminating the continual, express, and acted upon threat to kill every Jew from the Islamic beasts.
 

iamsoandso

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No need to ask terrorists what they think. I know they don't care. That's a good distinction I suppose on how Israel isn't Hamas. Hamas doesn't care about either side's civilians, Israel just doesn't care about Palestinian civilians.

I think the next several weeks will be telling as to who cares and who don't which is why I ask you if you thought a two state or an occupation type end is best. Much like Russia trying to approach Ukraine with trench warfare like it is ww2 Hamas has made the same mistake in thinking that they will fight a war from tunnels and the IDF will send in tunnel rats to root them out one by one. There's to many clues to the contrary in that the IDF has surrounded Gaza city and from day one bought in over a hundred D9's. I think that if any of the Hamas fighters are smart enough to figure it out they should try and negotiate surrender and a hostage release because Israel is not going to endanger troops to play tunnel rat there going to just cover them up in the tunnels they built for Hamas. The end game is to stay in Gaza and make it safe for both states.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Not propaganda have the site has the original letter available - https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/israeli-doctors-urge-the-bombing-of-gaza-hospitals/

So, what source do you use for your information?

Oh come on! You won't believe reporters on the scene that said families were butchered, women were raped and dragged through the streets, babies tortured. But you believe this page is credible. Give me a MSN article on this subject and I will consider the source.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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If you had primary sources you would be more accurate in your assessment of the situation, and if you examined all material that would also greatly enhance your understanding.
Enhance my understanding of what exactly?!

This is not just for you, this is generally speaking for all of us, but most people do not have to, nor are they will/able to invest the time, in which case better to be less strident in one's position since more likely one does not have the full picture and is wrong.
Oh well ok I guess I'm just a dummy and not capable of being in conversation with the big dogs here. I guess I will go sweep the floor or clean out the toilet. Things I'm smart enough to do. Condescending much?


Your binary view of everything does not really work in reality but you can live there if you want to.
Well, swami the great, God tends to have a binary view, and I think I'm in pretty doggone good company. See He's the one who made the unconditional and everlasting covenant with Abe. He promised that He would gather the Jews from where they were scattered and then told them they would never be uprooted again. Israel was the nation born in a day. He will keep the promise He made. Romans 11 backs that up. So you can disagree with Him.


The fact that you think a fifth grader has enough knowledge of political history says a lot.
The fact that you twisted what I said says more.

I really need to put you on mute now, your constant affirmation of the killing of innnocent lives is very troubling to me.
Whew! Finally! Well your constant affirmation of terrorists is more troubling to me. And the fact that you ended all this with a lie seems about right for you. Oh well, what else did I expect?!
 

Magenta

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If you had primary sources you would be more accurate in your assessment of the situation,
and if you examined all material that would also greatly enhance your understanding.

This is not just for you, this is generally speaking for all of us,
Ridiculous to think you believe anyone is capable of examining all material.
 

Magenta

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Oh well ok I guess I'm just a dummy and not capable of being in conversation with the big dogs here. I guess
I will go sweep the floor or clean out the toilet. Things I'm smart enough to do. Condescending much?
It's called moving the goal posts, which is a logical fallacy. And a double standard they hold to.

For instance, for proof they asked for authentic raw extended video footage, while not supplying such with their opinions.

You have in your possession the authentic raw extended video footage?
 

Smoke

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I think the next several weeks will be telling as to who cares and who don't which is why I ask you if you thought a two state or an occupation type end is best. Much like Russia trying to approach Ukraine with trench warfare like it is ww2 Hamas has made the same mistake in thinking that they will fight a war from tunnels and the IDF will send in tunnel rats to root them out one by one. There's to many clues to the contrary in that the IDF has surrounded Gaza city and from day one bought in over a hundred D9's. I think that if any of the Hamas fighters are smart enough to figure it out they should try and negotiate surrender and a hostage release because Israel is not going to endanger troops to play tunnel rat there going to just cover them up in the tunnels they built for Hamas. The end game is to stay in Gaza and make it safe for both states.
My apologies for overlooking the question of if I think a two-state solution is best. I used to think it was. I just don't think it can happen with Hamas around. The issue is getting exacerbated by the thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians getting blown up. It will make it more difficult for any sort of two-state solution.

Furthermore, I think the leveling of Gaza is Israel's intention to force Gazans to leave. I think Israel wants this land as they do the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In 2020, Trump called Netanyahu out for not wanting to make a deal with the Palestinians. They were friends but that put a strain on their relationship. Trump is still pro-Israel no-matter-what, but I'm grateful he at least had the courage to call him out. I think Trump was correct in that Netanyahu does not want to make a deal and is even less inclined to make one now. They are all in it seems.
 

Smoke

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CNN is wanting us to trust their opinion instead of our lying eyes.

I find it fascinating that the media has to run their video footage through the IDF. No doubt it's for "security reasons"... couldn't be any nefarious reason like covering up even more war crimes.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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CNN is wanting us to trust their opinion instead of our lying eyes.

I find it fascinating that the media has to run their video footage through the IDF. No doubt it's for "security reasons"... couldn't be any nefarious reason like covering up even more war crimes.

Hubby sent me this link last night...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/excl...zKvHQykZs4DvJGhksAj5ePgKOEan0M8kbG7_cS1cItpDA

But it's all a lie, right? You and Moses, HisH, won't believe it because it's coming from a Jew. But you sure would be on here posting if Hamas had something like that.


BTW Mo, gonna nickname you Red X Mo. You need the red hat again, it's all you do is throw red xs like darts yet never say why you are constantly doing it. Red X Mo, my new name for you.
 

Niki7

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I have to credit my son for this research.

4 horses of the apocalypse; Palestinian Flag:

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Muslim Nations flags:



Who can spot the similarities?
well that's the moon obviously...with added star/s and some just stars

interestingly, there are myriad moon gods/goddess throughout the world

It is a banner that is widely associated with Muslim communities across the world, just as the cross is seen to represent Christianity. The crescent, or 'Hilaal' in Arabic, is the curved shape of the waning moon, and is used by many Muslims as a means of cultural and political expression.

The popular association of the star and crescent moon with Islam is due to its use by the Muslim Ottoman Empire, who controlled a large portion of southeastern Europe for centuries. However, the star and crescent symbols are not Islamic in origin and predate the Muslim religion. For this reason, some Muslims refuse to accept the star and crescent as the symbol of Islam. read more
 

Niki7

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CNN is wanting us to trust their opinion instead of our lying eyes.

I find it fascinating that the media has to run their video footage through the IDF. No doubt it's for "security reasons"... couldn't be any nefarious reason like covering up even more war crimes.
Read the Bible and get a truthful narrative of who/what/when/where/why. Then have a good sitdown with God. I'm sure He's heard it all
 

Niki7

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Here is an article I posted in another thread that gives historical/biblical evidence for the current war

Here is an article that some might find interesting but it will take time to read and it is part 1 of 2

It is about who the Palestinians actually are...according to biblical/historical facts. Of course if a person has decided to have view of the conflict that is dictated by a worldview rather than a biblical/Christian view, they will disallow even for biblical evidence to their own harm and ignorance (I am not referring to a specific person when I say that)

sample: Having an accurate understanding of who the Palestinians really are is critical to having a correct view of Israel today. Unfortunately, historical revisionism has ruled the day on this issue for the past generation—for at least the past five decades in fact. The truth from a popular perspective is distorted, and smothered, beneath layers of false, deep-seated narratives perpetrated by Israel’s enemies, including the mainstream media, to a degree that is difficult to override. But this two-part article will give it a shot.
 

Smoke

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My apologies for overlooking the question of if I think a two-state solution is best. I used to think it was. I just don't think it can happen with Hamas around. The issue is getting exacerbated by the thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians getting blown up. It will make it more difficult for any sort of two-state solution.

Furthermore, I think the leveling of Gaza is Israel's intention to force Gazans to leave. I think Israel wants this land as they do the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In 2020, Trump called Netanyahu out for not wanting to make a deal with the Palestinians. They were friends but that put a strain on their relationship. Trump is still pro-Israel no-matter-what, but I'm grateful he at least had the courage to call him out. I think Trump was correct in that Netanyahu does not want to make a deal and is even less inclined to make one now. They are all in it seems.
I also wanted to add, I think it's impossible to come to a two-state solution with Netanyahu as PM. Remove Hamas, remove Netanyahu, account for the war crimes, illegal settlement and occupation, and negotiate a two-state solution. Possible, sure... not sure how probable it is though.
 

Niki7

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I also wanted to add, I think it's impossible to come to a two-state solution with Netanyahu as PM. Remove Hamas, remove Netanyahu, account for the war crimes, illegal settlement and occupation, and negotiate a two-state solution. Possible, sure... not sure how probable it is though.
There will never ever be a 2 state solution. Again, read the Bible for the correct understanding. Try reading the article I linked to
 

Smoke

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Joe Biden: Israel, be careful not to make the same mistakes the US made in it's response to 9/11.

Also Joe Biden: Here, take our tax payors' money to do those mistakes.