Israel Declares War

[iamsoandso]

Preterism is utter rubbish and nonsense. Only an idiot would believe such drivel.
Same goes for amillennialism.

I agree but the only way to convey this to either of them is to cause them to think through how their seeing the fulfillment's of these things to so that they understand it to be in error...

 

[cv5]

Look....if you do not like war crimes, you had better pray to be raptured. Because....

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The dragon-beast ONLY COMES TO POWER after Satan is kicked out of heaven, falls to the earth and THEN indwells the AC.

CHAPTER 13 FOLLOWS CHAPTER 12.....right?

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

 

[cv5]

I agree but the only way to convey this to either of them is to cause them to think through how their seeing the fulfillment's of these things to so that they understand it to be in error...

They DO NOT WANT to see. They CHOOSE blindness and ignorance.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to deny the Biblically obvious unless by a free-will choice is made to turn your back on what the Bible is telling us.

 

[cv5]

Well at least we are somewhat in agreement.

However, it is because of the atrocities on WW II and other atrocities that we have International Law against ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Your blubbering and whining is frankly irrelevant. Neither you nor I are responsible for their sins, nor can we judge them.

You ARE however responsible to learn, know and teach the Bible accurately. You have failed miserably on all of these counts.
You are truly hopelessly Biblically illiterate. You even have admitted as such.

Too bad so sad. Glad it ain't me.

 

[iamsoandso]

They DO NOT WANT to see. They CHOOSE blindness and ignorance.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to deny the Biblically obvious unless by a free-will choice is made to turn your back on what the Bible is telling us.

True,,,in Scripture the beast that is in Revelation 17:8 when do you see it as having it's deadly wound healed and ascending out of the pit? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree but the only way to convey this to either of them is to cause them to think through how their seeing the fulfillment's of these things to so that they understand it to be in error...

All you are saying is it does not fit the format, but maybe your format is the problem.

Until you go back to zero, you will never see it.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your blubbering and whining is frankly irrelevant. Neither you nor I are responsible for their sins, nor can we judge them.

You ARE however responsible to learn, know and teach the Bible accurately. You have failed miserably on all of these counts.
You are truly hopelessly Biblically illiterate. You even have admitted as such.

Too bad so sad. Glad it ain't me.

I give up.
Right let's do away with laws, let's not judge.
I need to put you on ignore.
Time is not on your side btw, 1948 is further and further in the past.

 

[cv5]

You are always right.

Flattering. But obviously not true.

But I see nothing but stupidity and ignorance as regards the Abrahamic covenant, Mosaic covenant, the prophetic destiny of Israel and end-time prophecy by the usual suspects on this thread.

The ceaseless mockery of the truth of prophecy reminds me of 2 Ki 2:23. Did not end well.

 

[cv5]

I give up.
Right let's do away with laws, let's not judge.
I need to put you on ignore.
Time is not on your side btw, 1948 is further and further in the past.

Too bad you are being wrecked in terms of defending your case. Is that what you mean?

 

[iamsoandso]

All you are saying is it does not fit the format, but maybe your format is the problem.

Until you go back to zero, you will never see it.

Oh I see,,, in this post you speak with great confidence but when @Moses_Young ask you about the fulfillment you said in post #3857 that you yourself was still putting it all together/learning so which is it?

 

[HeIsHere]

Oh I see,,, in this post you speak with great confidence but when @Moses_Young ask you about the fulfillment you said in post #3857 that you yourself was still putting it all together/learning so which is it?

It means the part that I have figured out has my confidence.

As in "THIS generation"

As in YOU means YOU.

 

[cv5]

Oh I see,,, in this post you speak with great confidence but when @Moses_Young ask you about the fulfillment you said in post #3857 that you yourself was still putting it all together/learning so which is it?

That is what @HeIsHere has been saying over and over again.

And then professing to be an expert and denying the very Scriptures themselves.

 

[Cameron143]

Flattering. But obviously not true.

But I see nothing but stupidity and ignorance as regards the Abrahamic covenant, Mosaic covenant, the prophetic destiny of Israel and end-time prophecy by the usual suspects on this thread.

The ceaseless mockery of the truth of prophecy reminds me of 2 Ki 2:23. Did not end well.

Your concern is duly noted.

 

[cv5]

It means the part that I have figured out has my confidence.

As in "THIS generation"

As in YOU means YOU.

Dead wrong again.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house (the House of Jacob) is left unto you (Jews) desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye (the House of Jacob) shall not see ME****until the time**** come when ye (the Jews) SHALL (YET FUTURE!) say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[iamsoandso]

It means the part that I have figured out has my confidence.

As in "THIS generation"

As in YOU means YOU.

And that's pretty much the answer that most full Preterit's give us when we ask them about the prophecies and where they see them fulfilled in time. It's like if you say it real fast maybe no one will catch it but the problem is when they lay in bed at night and think it through and compare it to Scripture it falls all apart. It's always going to be that way until you come up with an explanation to who it was that worshiped the image,took the mark and used it's name,,,the two witnesses,, the deadly wound being healed ect.ect.

 

[cv5]

And that's pretty much the answer that most full Preterit's give us when we ask them about the prophecies and where they see them fulfilled in time. It's like if you say it real fast maybe no one will catch it but the problem is when they lay in bed at night and think it through and compare it to Scripture it falls all apart. It's always going to be that way until you come up with an explanation to who it was that worshiped the image,took the mark and used it's name,,,the two witnesses,, the deadly wound being healed ect.ect.

Somebody tell @HeIsHere that two crummy lines consisting of nine inchoate words is an absolutely pitiful attempt at exegesis.

And that is pretty much all he has got. He has recycled the same blurb several times.

 

[HeIsHere]

And that's pretty much the answer that most full Preterit's give us when we ask them about the prophecies and where they see them fulfilled in time. It's like if you say it real fast maybe no one will catch it but the problem is when they lay in bed at night and think it through and compare it to Scripture it falls all apart. It's always going to be that way until you come up with an explanation to who it was that worshiped the image,took the mark and used it's name,,,the two witnesses,, the deadly wound being healed ect.ect.

How exactly do the words of Christ fall apart? It is impossible.

Again you want something to fit into your format, the Book of Revelation, the words of Jesus, the words of Paul etc., need to be understood through the lens to whom they were written first and foremost.

 

[iamsoandso]

How exactly do the words of Christ fall apart? It is impossible.

Again you want something to fit into your format, the Book of Revelation, the words of Jesus, the words of Paul etc., need to be understood through the lens to whom they were written first and foremost.

lol, No I said "most full preterits" so it's really pretty simple in that the FP's say and think that Rome fulfilled this(in post #3852 you yourself identified the Roman empire as the beast) but your not explaining why the western empire existed until 470ad and the eastern empire until about the ad1500's when in Revelation 19:20 they were no longer suppose to exist https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/19-20.htm LIKE JESUS SAID...

 

[PennEd]

And everything He predicted come to pass exactly as He stated it would.

I told you. Jesus spoke at 2 different times and locations that we commonly refer to as the Olivet Discourse. Just like OT prophets that had to give a short term prophecy, followed by a longer future prophecy, Jesus gave a short term prophecy of the events that unfolded in 70 AD, and yet unfulfilled prophecy about the end times. There is GREAT confusion by both camps on this, as each try to make fit the prophecies for either ALL for 70 AD, or ALL for End Times. Neither is right.

Tell me, was THIS passage fulfilled in 70 AD?
Matthew 24:21-22 in the New King James Version of the Bible reads:
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened"

 

[PennEd]

They are described as being “drunk with the blood of the saints" and they commit spiritual adultery.

It's hard to lay this claim at the Jews feet!

In Dave Hunt's book, A woman rides the Beast, he makes a VERY compelling argument that it is the Catholic Church that is the woman, drunk with the blood of the Saints.