Do those in hell call upon the name of the Lord?

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ByTheGraceOfGod

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21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved.
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Acts 2:21-25
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know: 23 This same being delivered up, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you by the hands of wicked men have crucified and slain. 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it. 25 For David saith concerning him: I foresaw the Lord before my face: because he is at my right hand, that I may not be moved.
 
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Heb 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

It would seem that once you die it's all bit too late.

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I talked with my pastor about this, unfortunately I don't remember the verses he showed me but God's word talks about how people in hell will cry out to him and he will not hear them. That's why it is so very important to reach out to the lost before it is to late. We have the choice now but in hell it is to late.
 
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Abraham, told the Rich Man, in Hell, that he would not relay his message to his brothers, still alive.
Abraham, now, is in Heaven, no longer in that place.
so, no one is there to hear.
 
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There is nobody in hell yet ...
But when there is.... they won't have time to call upon the name of Jesus ... they will be toast, gone, history......hasta la vista, baby...
 
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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Do those in hell believe in Jesus?
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How could they believe in Jesus and also be in Hell? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

And there is no one in Hell (the true Hell). The true Hell is called either "Gehenna" or the Lake of Fire. When the unsaved die, their souls and spirits go to Sheol/Hades, the abode of departed spirits. That is Hell to some degree, but all these will be resurrected and then judged. Since their names will not be found in the Book of Life they will be cast into the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20). That is eternal Hell situated in "outer darkness".

When Scripture says that "Death and Hell (actually it should be "Hades") were cast into the Lake of Fire", we need to understand what that really means: (a) death will be terminated on earth at that point, and since there will be no further need for Sheol/Hades, it too will be terminated. Eternal righteousness will be established on earth and the last "enemy" to be destroyed is "Death". Satan, the Beast, the False Prophet, all evil angels and all demons will be in the Lake of Fire, never to return to earth.

To answer your question "No, the ones in Hades do not call upon the name of the Lord". That is why it is so critical to preach the Gospel "to every creature". God wants no one in Hell or Hades, and He wants the salvation of all.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Abraham, told the Rich Man, in Hell...
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That should have been translated as "Hades" (which is the word in the Greek text). It was formerly called Sheol in the OT.

Luke 16:23
καὶ ἐν τῷ ᾅδῃ ἐπάρας τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτοῦ, ὑπάρχων ἐν βασάνοις, ὁρᾷ τὸν Ἀβραὰμ ἀπὸ μακρόθεν, καὶ Λάζαρον ἐν τοῖς κόλποις αὐτοῦ.

And in [Hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That should have been translated as "Hades" (which is the word in the Greek text). It was formerly called Sheol in the OT.

Luke 16:23
καὶ ἐν τῷ ᾅδῃ ἐπάρας τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτοῦ, ὑπάρχων ἐν βασάνοις, ὁρᾷ τὸν Ἀβραὰμ ἀπὸ μακρόθεν, καὶ Λάζαρον ἐν τοῖς κόλποις αὐτοῦ.

And in [Hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
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The English word is hell. I speak English, not Greek or Hebrew. The KJV gets it right once again. Bible correcting is not a good practice. There is a difference in the KJV between the lake of fire and hell.

The rich man in hell cried out for a drop of water. He never calls upon the name of the Lord for salvation.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
How could they believe in Jesus and also be in Hell? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

And there is no one in Hell (the true Hell). The true Hell is called either "Gehenna" or the Lake of Fire. When the unsaved die, their souls and spirits go to Sheol/Hades, the abode of departed spirits. That is Hell to some degree, but all these will be resurrected and then judged. Since their names will not be found in the Book of Life they will be cast into the Lake of Fire (see Revelation 20). That is eternal Hell situated in "outer darkness".

When Scripture says that "Death and Hell (actually it should be "Hades") were cast into the Lake of Fire", we need to understand what that really means: (a) death will be terminated on earth at that point, and since there will be no further need for Sheol/Hades, it too will be terminated. Eternal righteousness will be established on earth and the last "enemy" to be destroyed is "Death". Satan, the Beast, the False Prophet, all evil angels and all demons will be in the Lake of Fire, never to return to earth.

To answer your question "No, the ones in Hades do not call upon the name of the Lord". That is why it is so critical to preach the Gospel "to every creature". God wants no one in Hell or Hades, and He wants the salvation of all.
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James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
 
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John146 said:
The English word is hell. I speak English, not Greek or Hebrew. The KJV gets it right once again.
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Sorry but you are seriously mistaken. In spite of the general excellency of the KJV (which I also use exclusively), the translators used the word "hell" for three different and separate regions, and have caused much confusion. So only one of them should have been called "Hell" (which is eternal Hell, Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire).

SHEOL/HADES IS NOT "HELL"
TARTARUS IS NOT "HELL"
GEHENNA IS HELL
THE LAKE OF FIRE IS HELL

How could "hell" be cast into Hell? But Hades is the Greek word (which makes perfect sense) and if you don't care to make these distinctions, that is perfectly fine too.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Sorry but you are seriously mistaken. In spite of the general excellency of the KJV (which I also use exclusively), the translators used the word "hell" for three different and separate regions, and have caused much confusion. So only one of them should have been called "Hell" (which is eternal Hell, Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire).

SHEOL/HADES IS NOT "HELL"
TARTARUS IS NOT "HELL"
GEHENNA IS HELL
THE LAKE OF FIRE IS HELL

How could "hell" be cast into Hell? But Hades is the Greek word (which makes perfect sense) and if you don't care to make these distinctions, that is perfectly fine too.
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If you stick with the KJV, it is very clear. Hell is cast into the lake of fire. Do you not think the translators knew what you are claiming? They didn't have a slip up. The Spirit led them to translate the word hell as different than the lake of fire. Where in the KJV is lake of fire translated as hell?
 
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John146 said:
Where in the KJV is lake of fire translated as hell?
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While the KJV translators were faithful is translating "the Lake of Fire" as the Lake of Fire, all the characteristics of eternal Hell are found in that place. Here is just one example:
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10)
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
While the KJV translators were faithful is translating "the Lake of Fire" as the Lake of Fire, all the characteristics of eternal Hell are found in that place. Here is just one example:
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10)
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Hell will be cast into the lake of fire, the permanent place of torture, thus, lasting forever. Death is cast into the lake of fire as well, thus, death is eternal.
 
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The big lie of Satan from the start is that you are not going to die.

The false teaching about hell was invented in the dark ages and people still teach it today..

Death is unconsciousness.
Ecc 9:4-6
4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun ..Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

The dead know not anything....no love, no hate, no thinking, nothing, death is the same for all, until the first resurrection.

Don't let new age, Babylonian spiritualism deceive you.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ...Rev 16:3 .... and every living soul died in the sea.
Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

The dead know nothing.
 
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