THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION
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hey SD.
you're jewish. and a christian.
are judaism and christianity compatible?
please explain what the Talmud is, and what's in it, and why people live by it.
is it cool? because i kinda get tired of having to bring it up all the time when JEWS WON'T.
SO IF YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT THAT, then we can agree on whether or not we have a problem.
and what about the NOAHIDE LAWS? where do they come from and what are they for?
'i don't know about THE TALMUD and Judaism' isn't an answer (well, it is, but its not an excuse).
as for bigotry, i don't know about that. what i do know is what the bible says about it all.
you're jewish. and a christian.
are judaism and christianity compatible?
please explain what the Talmud is, and what's in it, and why people live by it.
is it cool? because i kinda get tired of having to bring it up all the time when JEWS WON'T.
SO IF YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT THAT, then we can agree on whether or not we have a problem.
and what about the NOAHIDE LAWS? where do they come from and what are they for?
'i don't know about THE TALMUD and Judaism' isn't an answer (well, it is, but its not an excuse).
as for bigotry, i don't know about that. what i do know is what the bible says about it all.
The intent of this thread is to inform and discuss. The Original Posting came from a
thread stating a quote by Paul Harvey a famous American Radio Personality. The
Protocols are very similar. There is no intent here to promote hate speech, incite anger,
or attack any person.
I am not sure based on some of the responses if I should read them as:
" ... Yeah, we do all these things, and they might be true but no one ever handed me a
program / plan on the Protocols - rock on, I need to find a group that I can get involved
in ..."
-- Catholics and Protties (Mystics, Calvinists, Once-Saved, no Doctrine/any doctrine Protties)
- have similar responses to similarly controversial issues -- all are welcome to refute,
inform, edify ...
As with all threads here in Christian Chat, the idea is not to condemn, but rather to
inform, sometimes to convict, sometimes to call to a new walk, sometimes to discuss
controversial doctrine, sometimes to BE corrected ...
All pertinent comments, ideas and insights are welcome ....
thread stating a quote by Paul Harvey a famous American Radio Personality. The
Protocols are very similar. There is no intent here to promote hate speech, incite anger,
or attack any person.
I am not sure based on some of the responses if I should read them as:
" ... Yeah, we do all these things, and they might be true but no one ever handed me a
program / plan on the Protocols - rock on, I need to find a group that I can get involved
in ..."
-- Catholics and Protties (Mystics, Calvinists, Once-Saved, no Doctrine/any doctrine Protties)
- have similar responses to similarly controversial issues -- all are welcome to refute,
inform, edify ...
As with all threads here in Christian Chat, the idea is not to condemn, but rather to
inform, sometimes to convict, sometimes to call to a new walk, sometimes to discuss
controversial doctrine, sometimes to BE corrected ...
All pertinent comments, ideas and insights are welcome ....
S
Doesn't seem like there's any distinction being made between saved and unsaved Jews here.I call myself both for two reasons, one because a lot of other people make no distinction either. A skinhead or white supremacist comes up to me (and they have) well as far as they're concerned, I am a Jew. Deosn't matter to them that I'm a Christian. And for most of the history of Christianity, it's been the same way, doesn't matter if he's saved or not, toss him on a stake and grab the matches. Or assume he's involved in some conspiracy. Could be a big one, or maybe he's just poisoning the wells. See further below for the second reason.
There are reasonable questions. Here goes:
Judaism and Christianity are absolutely compatable! In fact, we really ought to all be calling ourselves Jews. Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament, and the Jews of the day should have accepted the Infinite Sacrifice of Jesus as the New Covenant and refreshed their way much as had happened with the brass serpent. Well, many did. But they all should have read the prophecies and seen it coming. Okay, again, many did. But this is the second reason why I call myself both, because you CAN be both. Yes, I am a Jew, and yes, I am for Jesus. Christianity has a HUGE spiritual heritage in Judaism, but most won't even think to explore it. They really should, a lot of people are missing out.
The Talmud, as far as I am concerned, is a collection of rabbinic writings regarding the law and suchlike that has been going on for centuries now, basic commentary on Jewish culture and the law and so forth. You know that wall of law books that you see behind a judge or lawyer on those Law and Order or CSI shows? That's kind of what the Talmud is like. But I've never read it. In fact, I don't know any Jews who have. My father never read it. Most Jews may not have read it, and wouldn't be interested in reading it if they had access to it, and I'm not just referring to the reform Jews, but the more conservative ones as well save as a curiosity. The Jews I know revere the Torah. There you go. But okay, you want to talk about it , so maybe this explanation will work best: the Talmud in Jewish life is similar to the Federalist Papers in America. Interesting sidebars and commentary on the founding of the US, but how many US citizens have ever read them, or even know about them? But to everyone I know, it's meaningless and irrelevant unless you're a brainiac interested in such minutae. So I can't tell you why people would live by it because I don't know anyone who does anymore than I know people who live by the Federalist Papers. In fact, I've never even HEARD of anyone who does. Ultimately, it's not that Jews won't bring it up because it's some secret, it's more like Jews won't bring it up because it's unimportant. Maybe the Orthodox Jews revere it, but I don't know any. Does that help?
Noahide Laws fall into the same category. I never even heard of them until a decade or so ago, and only in passing. Certainly weren't discussed when I was studying for my Bar Mitzvah. And even then, they're not mentioned in the Torah. But just to be sure I was thinking of the right thing, I Googled them and found this. And I'm reading them and thinking ... well ... what IS the big deal? They seem to reflect the same rules put forth by God and Moses. But so far as the Jews I know, no one really thinks anything of them insofar as the Noahide Laws are not the laws as put down by Moses. And Moses is the Gold Standard in Judaism. I cannot stress that enough. MOSES. IS. THE. GOLD. STANDARD. So these Noahide Laws? Nice to read, but ultimately come in fifth place. Out of three.
See, I think what's happening here is that the non-Jews out there THINK Jews place an undue amount of importance upon the Noahide Laws and the Talmud, and within the community, it just ain't so. Maybe amongst the Intellegencia of Jewish Culture, but that's like saying that you can judge American Thought based on what a bunch of Ivy League professors are discussing. And these people have no control over what we say or do here amongst the common folk. And among the two people I know who might qualify as some kind of Jewish intelligencia member, neither of them are thinking about some kind of worldwide plot. No, they're just like everyone else, trying to get by and hoping no one steps on them, like the rest of us.
As far as bigotry? All you need to know is right here:
You know what? You're right, on all counts. Zone, PM me if you have any further questions, kay? I'm out as well, although it might be amusing to see if Strangelove answers the question *snicker*
There are reasonable questions. Here goes:
Judaism and Christianity are absolutely compatable! In fact, we really ought to all be calling ourselves Jews. Jesus Himself is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament, and the Jews of the day should have accepted the Infinite Sacrifice of Jesus as the New Covenant and refreshed their way much as had happened with the brass serpent. Well, many did. But they all should have read the prophecies and seen it coming. Okay, again, many did. But this is the second reason why I call myself both, because you CAN be both. Yes, I am a Jew, and yes, I am for Jesus. Christianity has a HUGE spiritual heritage in Judaism, but most won't even think to explore it. They really should, a lot of people are missing out.
The Talmud, as far as I am concerned, is a collection of rabbinic writings regarding the law and suchlike that has been going on for centuries now, basic commentary on Jewish culture and the law and so forth. You know that wall of law books that you see behind a judge or lawyer on those Law and Order or CSI shows? That's kind of what the Talmud is like. But I've never read it. In fact, I don't know any Jews who have. My father never read it. Most Jews may not have read it, and wouldn't be interested in reading it if they had access to it, and I'm not just referring to the reform Jews, but the more conservative ones as well save as a curiosity. The Jews I know revere the Torah. There you go. But okay, you want to talk about it , so maybe this explanation will work best: the Talmud in Jewish life is similar to the Federalist Papers in America. Interesting sidebars and commentary on the founding of the US, but how many US citizens have ever read them, or even know about them? But to everyone I know, it's meaningless and irrelevant unless you're a brainiac interested in such minutae. So I can't tell you why people would live by it because I don't know anyone who does anymore than I know people who live by the Federalist Papers. In fact, I've never even HEARD of anyone who does. Ultimately, it's not that Jews won't bring it up because it's some secret, it's more like Jews won't bring it up because it's unimportant. Maybe the Orthodox Jews revere it, but I don't know any. Does that help?
Noahide Laws fall into the same category. I never even heard of them until a decade or so ago, and only in passing. Certainly weren't discussed when I was studying for my Bar Mitzvah. And even then, they're not mentioned in the Torah. But just to be sure I was thinking of the right thing, I Googled them and found this. And I'm reading them and thinking ... well ... what IS the big deal? They seem to reflect the same rules put forth by God and Moses. But so far as the Jews I know, no one really thinks anything of them insofar as the Noahide Laws are not the laws as put down by Moses. And Moses is the Gold Standard in Judaism. I cannot stress that enough. MOSES. IS. THE. GOLD. STANDARD. So these Noahide Laws? Nice to read, but ultimately come in fifth place. Out of three.
See, I think what's happening here is that the non-Jews out there THINK Jews place an undue amount of importance upon the Noahide Laws and the Talmud, and within the community, it just ain't so. Maybe amongst the Intellegencia of Jewish Culture, but that's like saying that you can judge American Thought based on what a bunch of Ivy League professors are discussing. And these people have no control over what we say or do here amongst the common folk. And among the two people I know who might qualify as some kind of Jewish intelligencia member, neither of them are thinking about some kind of worldwide plot. No, they're just like everyone else, trying to get by and hoping no one steps on them, like the rest of us.
As far as bigotry? All you need to know is right here:
You know what? You're right, on all counts. Zone, PM me if you have any further questions, kay? I'm out as well, although it might be amusing to see if Strangelove answers the question *snicker*
D
Judaism and Christianity are as compatible as oil and water. There's no harmony between the two. I'm not saying that Jews (descendants of Jacob) cannot be Christians, but Judaism and has no fellowship with Christianity. "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" (2 Corinthians 6:15 KJV). Furthermore, I'm not calling myself a Jew (a member descending from Jacob) because I'm not one, even most of those that claim they are Jews truly are not. I believe that some are confusing being a Jew, with the pagan religion of Judaism and it's adherents. Judaism is wickedness, and it's perversions were constantly being rebuked by Jesus. I hear the mention of the Talmud but I don't hear any mention of the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah is evidence of the depravity and wickedness that Judaism can descend to. I love the Jew (member descending from Jacob) and Gentile but to say that Judaism is compatible with Christianity is disrespectful to the atoning sacrifice committed by Jesus Christ.
Ok so is it ok if we Christians expose the pharisees too?
Define 'Judaism'?
If you mean all Jews and everyone even partially involved in that system, no....its not about persons.
If you mean the system itself which is governed by talmudic law which nullifies Gods law then yes is a criminal syndicate. Its very purpose is to criminally circumvent Gods Holy Law
Define 'Judaism'?
If you mean all Jews and everyone even partially involved in that system, no....its not about persons.
If you mean the system itself which is governed by talmudic law which nullifies Gods law then yes is a criminal syndicate. Its very purpose is to criminally circumvent Gods Holy Law
and.....amen william
how many times have ppl read the Gospels, and not wondered what Jesus was so ticked off about?
even the suggestion they are compatible is from the devil.
all ya gotta do is google Talmud (Babylonian edition - HINT), Kabbalah, Zohar.
i mean how hard is it?
don't we wonder how God worked providentially to arrange for the first prophecy ever uttered in Genesis to come to pass exactly?
the serpent cult out of Babylon was in place to bruise His heel.
amazing.
how many times have ppl read the Gospels, and not wondered what Jesus was so ticked off about?
even the suggestion they are compatible is from the devil.
all ya gotta do is google Talmud (Babylonian edition - HINT), Kabbalah, Zohar.
i mean how hard is it?
don't we wonder how God worked providentially to arrange for the first prophecy ever uttered in Genesis to come to pass exactly?
the serpent cult out of Babylon was in place to bruise His heel.
amazing.
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Hey, bro: ever heard of Doc Marquis ?
He comes from a family with 200+ years history tradition in Illuminism (Illuminati + Luciferianism / Satanism); he says that (according to his first-hand knowledge) "The Protocols" are actually A CODED ILLUMINATI DOCUMENT -- just as in Freemasonry, there are many coded books and messages, this is a coded Illuminati document impossible to decipher, unless you know.
He does a presentation on it, called, "The Arrival of the Antichrist" -- watch; it is interesting (I think he gets around to the Protocols at about part 7 or 8??):
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KZD52pKiQ[/video]
He comes from a family with 200+ years history tradition in Illuminism (Illuminati + Luciferianism / Satanism); he says that (according to his first-hand knowledge) "The Protocols" are actually A CODED ILLUMINATI DOCUMENT -- just as in Freemasonry, there are many coded books and messages, this is a coded Illuminati document impossible to decipher, unless you know.
He does a presentation on it, called, "The Arrival of the Antichrist" -- watch; it is interesting (I think he gets around to the Protocols at about part 7 or 8??):
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KZD52pKiQ[/video]
I watched the intro video you posted. Would you care to summarize the series for us if
you have watched?
The Bible could also said to be a "Coded Document" if one were to speak in terms of
symbols and imagery, talking snakes and donkeys, roaring lions as the devil, ten horned
beasts, wolves in sheep's clothing and etc. Tell us more on the 'encoding' -- Freemasonry
is well known for it's use of imagery and allegory, is there more?
I am thankful for the testimony of this person. As to being an illuminati tho I would like to
see more on the lineage and credentials, many think they are "Illuminati" when they are
simply witches and Crowley types. We have called many out, but also many come out and
stay or become apostate - as the power and influence over and pressure on, many of
these people is enourmous. - still the witness/testimony is important for the rest of us.
The "Luciferian Connection to Freemasonry" is well known, understood and documented.
As it pertains to the Protocols of [THE LEARNED ELDERS OF] Zion The Military plays it's part
and IS 'lucifer'. It is interesting to see the testimony of the plan to infiltrate the Military,
but many groups do this as well (CHAOS rules). Are there other revelations in this video
series as to the strategy and tactics employed -- tell us more.
The upshot of all this is, that like this person's testimony, most masons and witches,
zoroastrians and illuminati are bred into that system. A simple invitation (and steady call
and testimony) can call many out - the word of god is indeed sharp. But they (some /
many) go right into a Calvinist church of Secret Police and like Nicolas and Steven fall right
back into Hellenism and for some into Emmanuel.
So we add "MILITARY" to the list of players in the Protocols -- and press on ...
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You don't appear to make a distinction between these "Pharisees" and Jews in general when you do, and then it comes off as Jew-bashing, so maybe it would be best if you didn't. Heck, my understanding is that many on this very website think the Jews in the world aren't even Jews at all, which came as quite a shock to millions of people as they were being hauled into the ovens. "Hey, let me out, a bunch of people on Christian Chat say we're not Jews after all!" See DiscipleWilliams post which I'll quote below for one example, although there are certainly others. In any event, these "pharisees" have no control over the life of a Jew (although again, I'm unsure how the Orthodox Jews work, maybe there) so the system you are talking about really doesn't exist. The very idea is laughable. "Rabbi Hilel says that according to the Talmudic Laws of Latvia circa 1623, subsection 27, paragraph 2, you are to twirl your eggplant in the air three times while facing towards Jerusalem before adding your salad dressing" "Uhm yeah, you go on and keep thinking that!" Non-Jews really believe that happens. It's laughable.
There's a line in the Bible, and I'll paraphrase here as I don't have it handy atm, where God says "I will move the Jews to jealousy with those who are not a people". Basically, God said he'll raise up the goyim to make the Jews jealous. Well, if anything, it's this thinking on the Christians part that makes the Jews either laugh at Christians, or feel pity towards them. And I'm not even joking. "Jealous? Why would we be jealous of a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists?"
BTW, what denomination are you ...?
See, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know any Catholics who blindly follow what the Pope tells them and almost a third the population where I live is Catholic. Are people really stuck in the 14th century here, give or take? Now, I don't really know dscherk that well, but he seems like a believer in Jesus to me, and then you go off and throw that cheap shot at him.
I forget who it is, but someone here has as their signature Ghandi's quote about how he likes Christ, it's the Christians he can't stand. Maybe that kind of talk was where it comes from. I can certainly understand the reasoning behind it.
You know the really sad part? Most Christians will never understand the point I'm making. No wait ... whats sad is that many are literally incapable of even beginning to understand. They have no idea how what they say or write looks to others.
If it weren't for Jesus saying "I am not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it," , I might agree. But Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT, How can they be incompatable? The answer is that they fit together like a hand in a glove. Now the stuff the Pharisees were saying, especially the Sabbath laws, those were NOT part of the Mosaic Law, so Jesus was saying, look, throw those out. But apparently some people here are thinking that Jesus was tellling everyone to throw ALL the laws out. Jesus was the fulfillment of the laws God established, not the ones men made afterwards. Here's the problem: many people here think Judaism is nothing more nowadays than the Talmud. BZZT! Wrong-o. The Talmud, where it's used, are nice commentaries I suppose, but they're NON-BINDING, and as important as a legal document as the Federalist papers are to the US. And there aren't too many laws where we go to the Federalist papers to settle a dispute, we go to the Constitution. Again: It's not the 14th century anymore people. Stop thinking that it is. Especially with a religion, people, and culture that you know nothing about save through what conspiracy theorists tell you. It'd be as ridiculous as a Liberal saying "Yeah, I know everything about what Conservatives believe! I read up on what Michael Moore and Obama said about them!"
I see what you did there. Very clever. Judaism is to Christianity as Belial is to Christ. Nice, soft little implication. If only you could see what this sounds like.
PAGAN religion ...? I was unaware we'd been worshiping anyone other than Jehovah when I went to Temple services. I don't recall dancing around a huge oak tree or sacrificing anything to Zeus. This comes a s a complete shock to me. Who were these other gods I was worshipping before I became saved? Please ... tell us about it.
.... aaaaaand from here, it's not too small a step to "Let's put the Jews into ghettos, they're wicked" and then "let's take away their rights, they are wicked," and then ..." See, that's what happens when you demonize a particular group of people? Take one step, than another ...
wicked as they are
I ... I thought Jesus Himself said He was sent to save the lost sheep of Israel. He certainly seems to think He himself was compatable with Judaism. I mean, he even read scrolls in the synagogues and taught like a rabbi and everything, I'm sure I read that somewhere. So who do I believe, William or the Bible?
Ah, here we go. Okay. There's so many ways to answer this. Kabbalah. No one takes that seriously. It's a feel-good ... It's not even a religion. It's just a scam. Heck, if Madonna believes in it, it's immediately not to be taken seriously. But okay, let's use your logic.
"I hear mention of the Five Points of Calvinism but nowhere do I hear any mention of the FDLS. The FDLS is evidence of the depravity and wickedness that Christianity can descend to."
See what I did there? Child brides as young as 12, maybe younger. Pedophilia, welfare fraud, polygamy, brainwashing, child abandonment, statuatory rape. That was the FDLS. And I used your logic; I don't see how you can refute it. Judaism is to Kaballah as Christianity is to the FDLS Oh, I'm sure you could say "But those aren't really Christians!" Sorry, they say they are, they believe they are. That you don't like it is irrelevent, ... isn't it? And they're as correct as these Kabbalaists who say they're Jews. Maybe ... just maybe ... you shouldn't judge a group of people by their worst elements because you'll end up getting your own group judged by your own as well. By your own measure shall you be judged ... yes, I'm certain I read that somewhere too once ...
Oh, and the Five Points of Calvinism, Christianity's Pharisitical equivelent. Agree with these rules and beliefs, not listed in the Bible, or you're out of our club. And how much has been written about THAT particular set of beliefs on how Christianity is to be interpreted ...? Maybe enough to fill a few law books ... maybe more? And there's plenty of denominations out there who take stands on where their denomination rests with each point. And write scads and scads of rules and commentary regarding the interpretation of each point. But hey ... it's not pharisetism if WE do it. Just the (wicked) Jews. That you love, of course.
Anyway, I'm now outta this thread. I checked in to see if Stragelove would answer, but I couldn't let Williams post go unanswered. Zone, I am gonna ask anything else taken to PM, this thread really does make me angry.
There's a line in the Bible, and I'll paraphrase here as I don't have it handy atm, where God says "I will move the Jews to jealousy with those who are not a people". Basically, God said he'll raise up the goyim to make the Jews jealous. Well, if anything, it's this thinking on the Christians part that makes the Jews either laugh at Christians, or feel pity towards them. And I'm not even joking. "Jealous? Why would we be jealous of a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists?"
BTW, what denomination are you ...?
See, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know any Catholics who blindly follow what the Pope tells them and almost a third the population where I live is Catholic. Are people really stuck in the 14th century here, give or take? Now, I don't really know dscherk that well, but he seems like a believer in Jesus to me, and then you go off and throw that cheap shot at him.
I forget who it is, but someone here has as their signature Ghandi's quote about how he likes Christ, it's the Christians he can't stand. Maybe that kind of talk was where it comes from. I can certainly understand the reasoning behind it.
You know the really sad part? Most Christians will never understand the point I'm making. No wait ... whats sad is that many are literally incapable of even beginning to understand. They have no idea how what they say or write looks to others.
If it weren't for Jesus saying "I am not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it," , I might agree. But Jesus is the fulfillment of the OT, How can they be incompatable? The answer is that they fit together like a hand in a glove. Now the stuff the Pharisees were saying, especially the Sabbath laws, those were NOT part of the Mosaic Law, so Jesus was saying, look, throw those out. But apparently some people here are thinking that Jesus was tellling everyone to throw ALL the laws out. Jesus was the fulfillment of the laws God established, not the ones men made afterwards. Here's the problem: many people here think Judaism is nothing more nowadays than the Talmud. BZZT! Wrong-o. The Talmud, where it's used, are nice commentaries I suppose, but they're NON-BINDING, and as important as a legal document as the Federalist papers are to the US. And there aren't too many laws where we go to the Federalist papers to settle a dispute, we go to the Constitution. Again: It's not the 14th century anymore people. Stop thinking that it is. Especially with a religion, people, and culture that you know nothing about save through what conspiracy theorists tell you. It'd be as ridiculous as a Liberal saying "Yeah, I know everything about what Conservatives believe! I read up on what Michael Moore and Obama said about them!"
I see what you did there. Very clever. Judaism is to Christianity as Belial is to Christ. Nice, soft little implication. If only you could see what this sounds like.
PAGAN religion ...? I was unaware we'd been worshiping anyone other than Jehovah when I went to Temple services. I don't recall dancing around a huge oak tree or sacrificing anything to Zeus. This comes a s a complete shock to me. Who were these other gods I was worshipping before I became saved? Please ... tell us about it.
.... aaaaaand from here, it's not too small a step to "Let's put the Jews into ghettos, they're wicked" and then "let's take away their rights, they are wicked," and then ..." See, that's what happens when you demonize a particular group of people? Take one step, than another ...
wicked as they are
I ... I thought Jesus Himself said He was sent to save the lost sheep of Israel. He certainly seems to think He himself was compatable with Judaism. I mean, he even read scrolls in the synagogues and taught like a rabbi and everything, I'm sure I read that somewhere. So who do I believe, William or the Bible?
Ah, here we go. Okay. There's so many ways to answer this. Kabbalah. No one takes that seriously. It's a feel-good ... It's not even a religion. It's just a scam. Heck, if Madonna believes in it, it's immediately not to be taken seriously. But okay, let's use your logic.
"I hear mention of the Five Points of Calvinism but nowhere do I hear any mention of the FDLS. The FDLS is evidence of the depravity and wickedness that Christianity can descend to."
See what I did there? Child brides as young as 12, maybe younger. Pedophilia, welfare fraud, polygamy, brainwashing, child abandonment, statuatory rape. That was the FDLS. And I used your logic; I don't see how you can refute it. Judaism is to Kaballah as Christianity is to the FDLS Oh, I'm sure you could say "But those aren't really Christians!" Sorry, they say they are, they believe they are. That you don't like it is irrelevent, ... isn't it? And they're as correct as these Kabbalaists who say they're Jews. Maybe ... just maybe ... you shouldn't judge a group of people by their worst elements because you'll end up getting your own group judged by your own as well. By your own measure shall you be judged ... yes, I'm certain I read that somewhere too once ...
Oh, and the Five Points of Calvinism, Christianity's Pharisitical equivelent. Agree with these rules and beliefs, not listed in the Bible, or you're out of our club. And how much has been written about THAT particular set of beliefs on how Christianity is to be interpreted ...? Maybe enough to fill a few law books ... maybe more? And there's plenty of denominations out there who take stands on where their denomination rests with each point. And write scads and scads of rules and commentary regarding the interpretation of each point. But hey ... it's not pharisetism if WE do it. Just the (wicked) Jews. That you love, of course.
Anyway, I'm now outta this thread. I checked in to see if Stragelove would answer, but I couldn't let Williams post go unanswered. Zone, I am gonna ask anything else taken to PM, this thread really does make me angry.
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if you want to.
the protocols are interesting in that they are SOMEBODY'S playbook, since they all come to pass. but i don't know who wrote them.
but looking at the Parallels of both worldview and agenda in the Talmud and the Communist Manifesto connect the dots themselves. Darwinism (Huxley/Oxford/Frankfort School) came from this group.
your thread though....do what you like.
they're not hebrews anyways.
the protocols are interesting in that they are SOMEBODY'S playbook, since they all come to pass. but i don't know who wrote them.
but looking at the Parallels of both worldview and agenda in the Talmud and the Communist Manifesto connect the dots themselves. Darwinism (Huxley/Oxford/Frankfort School) came from this group.
your thread though....do what you like.
they're not hebrews anyways.
Huh?
I made the distinction in the bit you quoted me. Its quite clear, here it is again..
See? Distinction.
Are you trying to be funny here or what?
The system obviously exists in orthodoz Judaism as the pharisees doctrines (TALMUD) dictate halacha!
If you are unsure how the orthodox Jews work then maybe you should simmer down with all your persecuted jew nonsense and listen to people who have studied that system. Orthodox judaism is WHAT WE"RE TALKING ABOUT.
Theres the buzzword...conspiiiiiracy theoriiiiiiist
Christian.
If the pope said....lo...Jesus is there....he would blindly follow.
I made the distinction in the bit you quoted me. Its quite clear, here it is again..
See? Distinction.
Are you trying to be funny here or what?
The system obviously exists in orthodoz Judaism as the pharisees doctrines (TALMUD) dictate halacha!
If you are unsure how the orthodox Jews work then maybe you should simmer down with all your persecuted jew nonsense and listen to people who have studied that system. Orthodox judaism is WHAT WE"RE TALKING ABOUT.
Theres the buzzword...conspiiiiiracy theoriiiiiiist
Christian.
If the pope said....lo...Jesus is there....he would blindly follow.
It's about participation in, denial of, complicity with -- The Protocols - OF ZION. Maybe we
don't understand what the Elements of the Protocols are -- I started to list some. Many
participate, many are in denial, many are complicit. This is about setting up the
Enviornment and Brainwashing by Propaganda or peer pressure into those systems that
are elements of the protocol.
Like anyone who has been called out of the World (world systems) we need to see the
world for what it is, reject it, renounce it, profess to others the dangers, call them out, and
walk in and under a new Way of living. To deny the materialism, the hedonism, the
corruption of societal institutions, government, religion, media, law, medicine and etc, is
to deny truth. It's not that hard -- '...the works of the flesh are manifest...'
This is about ZION-ism, not a race or gender or ethnicity, but a practice, behavior and
mindset.
Stay with us, stay on topic ... If it was about the Klingons, we would say klingons ... but
that is the association of those in ignorance or denial of these corruptions, by design.
Better for now to point out the corruptions and mechanisms - the persons once
enlightened then have a choice to make ...
Noahide Laws and Talmud fall into the protocols under????
* Protocol IV - Materialism Replace Religion - The Destruction of Religion by
Materialism Business as Cold and Heartless; Gentiles as slaves
* Protocol XIV - Assault on Religion - The Destruction of Religion as a Prelude to
the Rise of the Jewish God Judaism; God; Gentiles; Liberty; Pornography
please don't assume we (i) don't know the topic at hand. i do.
this is as good a place as any to go into it, as i said i would, even in the face of the silly labels antisemite (since most jews are semitic anyways); skinhead; the hint at the holocaust for the intimidation factor), etc etc etc.
cuz there one issue alone that matters to me:
WHAT ROLE HAS, DOES AND WILL TALMUDISM PLAY IN THE LIFE OF CHRISTIANS.
so i guess that's what we'll get to.
that involves discovering what Modern Judaism is - it isn't MOSES and the prophets, so that's already resolved.
Pharisees
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.
All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.
Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
see that part in Red?
hi SD. i'm not interesting in PMing about this issue.
its to be examined in the Light. and it will be.
if its good and right true it will stand.
if it is a problem, we will know that.
you can make this about people all day long. i won't. so any of that nonsense bounces right off me.
if jews who say they know Christ are still defending The talmud and Judaism, i'm rather suspicious.
and lastly, the Cross is offensive to everybody, including the jews. i talk to unsaved jews a fair amount. they are defensive and stubborn concerning Christ not because of what i say SD. its because they are raised that way....but lots are just walking away from ALL of that and believing on Christ. most no longer identify themselves as jews, rather Christian.
is there a problem with that? A JEW IS A JEW BECAUSE OF RELIGION NOT RACE.
so hanging that guilt trip on me won't work either.
following is the greatest sermon ever preached by a man:
cont.....
Acts 7
Stephen’s Speech
1And the high priest said, “Are these things so?” 2And Stephen said:
“Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, 3and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ 4Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. 5Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child. 6And God spoke to this effect—that his offspring would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, who would enslave them and afflict them four hundred years. 7‘But I will judge the nation that they serve,’ said God, ‘and after that they shall come out and worship me in this place.’ 8And he gave him the covenant of circumcision. And so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day, and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs.
9“And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him 10and rescued him out of all his afflictions and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who made him ruler over Egypt and over all his household. 11Now there came a famine throughout all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction, and our fathers could find no food. 12But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent out our fathers on their first visit. 13And on the second visit Joseph made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph’s family became known to Pharaoh. 14And Joseph sent and summoned Jacob his father and all his kindred, seventy-five persons in all. 15And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
17“But as the time of the promise drew near, which God had granted to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt 18until there arose over Egypt another king who did not know Joseph. 19He dealt shrewdly with our race and forced our fathers to expose their infants, so that they would not be kept alive. 20At this time Moses was born; and he was beautiful in God’s sight. And he was brought up for three months in his father’s house, 21and when he was exposed, Pharaoh’s daughter adopted him and brought him up as her own son. 22And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.
23“When he was forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brothers, the children of Israel. 24And seeing one of them being wronged, he defended the oppressed man and avenged him by striking down the Egyptian. 25He supposed that his brothers would understand that God was giving them salvation by his hand, but they did not understand. 26And on the following day he appeared to them as they were quarreling and tried to reconcile them, saying, ‘Men, you are brothers. Why do you wrong each other?’ 27But the man who was wronging his neighbor thrust him aside, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge over us? 28Do you want to kill me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?’ 29At this retort Moses fled and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he became the father of two sons.
30“Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush. 31When Moses saw it, he was amazed at the sight, and as he drew near to look, there came the voice of the Lord: 32‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob.’ And Moses trembled and did not dare to look. 33Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off the sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. 34I have surely seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their groaning, and I have come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send you to Egypt.’
35“This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’—this man God sent as both ruler and redeemer by the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36This man led them out, performing wonders and signs in Egypt and at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years. 37This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.’ 38This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us. 39Our fathers refused to obey him, but thrust him aside, and in their hearts they turned to Egypt, 40saying to Aaron, ‘Make for us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.’ 41And they made a calf in those days, and offered a sacrifice to the idol and were rejoicing in the works of their hands. 42But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets:
“‘Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices,
during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 You took up the tent of Moloch
and the star of your god Rephan,
the images that you made to worship;
and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.’
44“Our fathers had the tent of witness in the wilderness, just as he who spoke to Moses directed him to make it, according to the pattern that he had seen. 45Our fathers in turn brought it in with Joshua when they dispossessed the nations that God drove out before our fathers. So it was until the days of David, 46who found favor in the sight of God and asked to find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.a 47But it was Solomon who built a house for him. 48Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
49 “‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?’
51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”
The Stoning of Stephen
54Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed togetherb at him. 58Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Stephen’s Speech
1And the high priest said, “Are these things so?” 2And Stephen said:
“Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, 3and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ 4Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. 5Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot’s length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child. 6And God spoke to this effect—that his offspring would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, who would enslave them and afflict them four hundred years. 7‘But I will judge the nation that they serve,’ said God, ‘and after that they shall come out and worship me in this place.’ 8And he gave him the covenant of circumcision. And so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day, and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs.
9“And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him 10and rescued him out of all his afflictions and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who made him ruler over Egypt and over all his household. 11Now there came a famine throughout all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction, and our fathers could find no food. 12But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent out our fathers on their first visit. 13And on the second visit Joseph made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph’s family became known to Pharaoh. 14And Joseph sent and summoned Jacob his father and all his kindred, seventy-five persons in all. 15And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers, 16and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
17“But as the time of the promise drew near, which God had granted to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt 18until there arose over Egypt another king who did not know Joseph. 19He dealt shrewdly with our race and forced our fathers to expose their infants, so that they would not be kept alive. 20At this time Moses was born; and he was beautiful in God’s sight. And he was brought up for three months in his father’s house, 21and when he was exposed, Pharaoh’s daughter adopted him and brought him up as her own son. 22And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.
23“When he was forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brothers, the children of Israel. 24And seeing one of them being wronged, he defended the oppressed man and avenged him by striking down the Egyptian. 25He supposed that his brothers would understand that God was giving them salvation by his hand, but they did not understand. 26And on the following day he appeared to them as they were quarreling and tried to reconcile them, saying, ‘Men, you are brothers. Why do you wrong each other?’ 27But the man who was wronging his neighbor thrust him aside, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge over us? 28Do you want to kill me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?’ 29At this retort Moses fled and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he became the father of two sons.
30“Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush. 31When Moses saw it, he was amazed at the sight, and as he drew near to look, there came the voice of the Lord: 32‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob.’ And Moses trembled and did not dare to look. 33Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off the sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy ground. 34I have surely seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their groaning, and I have come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send you to Egypt.’
35“This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’—this man God sent as both ruler and redeemer by the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36This man led them out, performing wonders and signs in Egypt and at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years. 37This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.’ 38This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us. 39Our fathers refused to obey him, but thrust him aside, and in their hearts they turned to Egypt, 40saying to Aaron, ‘Make for us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.’ 41And they made a calf in those days, and offered a sacrifice to the idol and were rejoicing in the works of their hands. 42But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets:
“‘Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices,
during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 You took up the tent of Moloch
and the star of your god Rephan,
the images that you made to worship;
and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.’
44“Our fathers had the tent of witness in the wilderness, just as he who spoke to Moses directed him to make it, according to the pattern that he had seen. 45Our fathers in turn brought it in with Joshua when they dispossessed the nations that God drove out before our fathers. So it was until the days of David, 46who found favor in the sight of God and asked to find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.a 47But it was Solomon who built a house for him. 48Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
49 “‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?’
51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”
The Stoning of Stephen
54Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed togetherb at him. 58Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.