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Mem said:
You keep making this point and I remember you giving the example of Jesus' prayer, "Our Father," when He was asked to show them how to pray and assume this is where you've formed your opinion that we must repent daily and supposed because of the mention of "daily bread." You've also frequently referenced the forgiveness portion of Jesus' example of prayer, which is written, "forgive our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." Do you consider our sin to be our debt?
or have you derived this from Jesus' extrapolation afterwards in Matt 6:14 saying, "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you."?
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did you pay for your sin or Jesus?
sin is a debt.
each time we sin we nail Jesus back to the Cross.
 
Mem

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
did you pay for your sin or Jesus?
sin is a debt.
each time we sin we nail Jesus back to the Cross.
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I've heard others claim this same opinion, and they offer the verse about putting Christ to an open shame. But this interpretation of that verse implies that we put Him to shame daily... :unsure:
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
did you pay for your sin or Jesus?
sin is a debt.
each time we sin we nail Jesus back to the Cross.
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Jesus is never returning to the cross. Either it's finished or He quit. Either way, He's sitting on a throne, and has canceled all plans for a sequel.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Mem said:
I've heard others claim this same opinion, and they offer the verse about putting Christ to an open shame. But this interpretation of that verse implies that we put Him to shame daily... :unsure:
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it's merely something to be reminded of because Paul said he tries to be like Jesus.
that means, we should be trying to be like Him as well.

i believe the concept of nailing Jesus back to the Cross is for the Purpose to not live like we have the right to Sin.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
did you pay for your sin or Jesus?
sin is a debt.
each time we sin we nail Jesus back to the Cross.
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Jesus did, 2000 years ago. He died for every sin I have commited. Am commiting and will commit.

Thats why he can offer me eternal life. Because as he said, it is finished.
 
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Mem said:
I've heard others claim this same opinion, and they offer the verse about putting Christ to an open shame. But this interpretation of that verse implies that we put Him to shame daily... :unsure:
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They put him to open shame by claiming we can fall away..

They say his death was insufficient..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
it's obviously clear if you commit the same sins over and over you really did not repent.

repent means never do them again.
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Lol

No, repent means you admit to God that it is a sin. Because before you came to Christ, you did not think it was a sin.. you thought it was ok

You must be perfect.. Because using your example above. You must not have truly repented..
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Lol

No, repent means you admit to God that it is a sin. Because before you came to Christ, you did not think it was a sin.. you thought it was ok

You must be perfect.. Because using your example above. You must not have truly repented..
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the biblical concept of repentance is more than saying sorry. To repent means to rearrange your entire way of thinking, feeling and being in order to forsake that which is wrong.
 
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now we know why you believe it's ok to sin while being Saved, you don't know what it actually is to Repent.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
the biblical concept of repentance is more than saying sorry. To repent means to rearrange your entire way of thinking, feeling and being in order to forsake that which is wrong.
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The word repent means to change ones mind. It has nothing to do with feeling sorry..

Before you came to Christ. You thought you were your own God. You were not that bad of a person, you did not need saved. Or whatever you thought,,

When you repent you change you thinking.. stand this change of heart is what leads to faith..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
now we know why you believe it's ok to sin while being Saved, you don't know what it actually is to Repent.
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Who said it was ok to sin?

dude, you are out there. You keep making remarks which are not true

You need to look inside at yourself. Why do you act the way you do when people do not agree with you? That is not from God.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Everlasting-Grace said:
The word repent means to change ones mind. It has nothing to do with feeling sorry..

Before you came to Christ. You thought you were your own God. You were not that bad of a person, you did not need saved. Or whatever you thought,,

When you repent you change you thinking.. stand this change of heart is what leads to faith..
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that post you quoted begins with: the biblical concept of repentance is more than saying sorry
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Who said it was ok to sin?

dude, you are out there. You keep making remarks which are not true

You need to look inside at yourself. Why do you act the way you do when people do not agree with you? That is not from God.
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we all commit the same sin generally over and over like its a thorn in our side.

do you commit the same sin over and over?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
we all commit the same sin generally over and over like its a thorn in our side.

do you commit the same sin over and over?
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Do I have a besetting sin?

Of course I do. I tend to get angry, And I lack trust in people.. But its all rotted in my self.. which is the true sin.

When you’re worried about personal sin and use that to determine how righteous you are. You re in danger, because you fail to get to the root of why you sin and the cause of those personal sins..

Thats why legalism is so dangerous. It focuses on the outward and not the inward.
 
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