Two state solution will never work

[Gideon300]

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/gaz...rans-plan-destroy-israel-usher-muslim-messiah
Islam teaches that Israel prevents their false Messiah from appearing. Shia (Iran) believes the "Mahdi" is alive and waiting for the right time to appear. Sunni (Saudi Arabia and the majority of Muslim nations) says that he has yet to be born. Either way, Israel and the Jews must be destroyed in Islam's teachings. There are 7.6 million Jews in America, 3.4 million Muslims. The EU has about 750,000 Jews and 28 million Muslims. If I was a Jew, I would be getting well away from Europe.

 

[Gojira]

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/gaz...rans-plan-destroy-israel-usher-muslim-messiah
Islam teaches that Israel prevents their false Messiah from appearing. Shia (Iran) believes the "Mahdi" is alive and waiting for the right time to appear. Sunni (Saudi Arabia and the majority of Muslim nations) says that he has yet to be born. Either way, Israel and the Jews must be destroyed in Islam's teachings. There are 7.6 million Jews in America, 3.4 million Muslims. The EU has about 750,000 Jews and 28 million Muslims. If I was a Jew, I would be getting well away from Europe.

The two-state solution is not on the table for the Palestinians. They want a one-state solution, or a no-state solution. In fact, based on their charter, it seems that having nation status at all is secondary to wiping out every Jew on earth. This never was about territorial oppression. This is about the same spirit that triggered Naziism.

 

[ZNP]

During slavery in America the Bible was twisted and contorted to justify it. The bottom line is that the Bible condemns American slavery. What the Bible calls "slavery" we would call "a job". The old "I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go" would be applicable. As evil as the slavery in the US was, using the Bible to justify it makes the judgment for it all the worse.

In the same way during the 2,000 year diaspora Jews have twisted and contorted the Bible to say they don't need to live in Israel, they don't even need to believe in God. You would have thought that the Holocaust would have cleared up that misconception, but how many want to think that was a "German" thing and not a "Satanic" thing.

Anyway, the Bible is clear, Jews get saved as a nation, at the end of the tribulation, and those who are saved are in Israel at that time.

 

[ZNP]

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/gaz...rans-plan-destroy-israel-usher-muslim-messiah
Islam teaches that Israel prevents their false Messiah from appearing. Shia (Iran) believes the "Mahdi" is alive and waiting for the right time to appear. Sunni (Saudi Arabia and the majority of Muslim nations) says that he has yet to be born. Either way, Israel and the Jews must be destroyed in Islam's teachings. There are 7.6 million Jews in America, 3.4 million Muslims. The EU has about 750,000 Jews and 28 million Muslims. If I was a Jew, I would be getting well away from Europe.

I think it is strange that no one blames the Jews for this two state solution. If the Jews were to say that they are descendants of Abraham, their inheritance is in Israel, and they would all leave the rest of the world then Israel would have a much stronger case in the UN. But instead, half of the Jews live in other countries and they say you don't have to live in Israel to be a Jew. Because of that, it seems reasonable to the UN to divide Israel between Palestinians and Jews.

It is a classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too. You can't have it both ways, either you can live anywhere you want in the world, it doesn't matter, or you have to live in Israel and cannot live anywhere else. Likewise, the argument that God gave them. the land in Israel and it is recorded in the Bible doesn't hold if you also say that "yes God gave us that land, but we can own land anywhere we want on the earth".

 

[ZNP]

Case in point:

Watch: Palestinian Protesters Tell Jews Leaving Israeli Embassy ‘We Will Kill You All, Occupiers’

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-ea...raeli-embassy-we-will-kill-you-all-occupiers/

 

[Nehemiah6]

In the same way during the 2,000 year diaspora Jews have twisted and contorted the Bible to say they don't need to live in Israel, they don't even need to believe in God. You would have thought that the Holocaust would have cleared up that misconception, but how many want to think that was a "German" thing and not a "Satanic" thing.

Unsaved Jews do believe in "God". However, because they reject Christ, that is not the one true God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). But the Holocaust was both Germanic and Satanic.

On a different note, the deaths from COVID and its jab were far worse than those of the Holocaust. Yet there was no outcry, and no one was executed for crimes against humanity.

 

[ZNP]

Unsaved Jews do believe in "God". However, because they reject Christ, that is not the one true God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). But the Holocaust was both Germanic and Satanic.

On a different note, the deaths from COVID and its jab were far worse than those of the Holocaust. Yet there was no outcry, and no one was executed for crimes against humanity.

Really? We have a whole bunch of Jewish actors and comedians like Seinfeld who portray themselves as Jewish, do you really think they believe in God or that the Bible has any influence on their life? I have had many Jews explain to me that "being Jewish" is cultural, you don't have to believe in the Bible and God to be "Jewish".

 

[Smoke]

Really? We have a whole bunch of Jewish actors and comedians like Seinfeld who portray themselves as Jewish, do you really think they believe in God or that the Bible has any influence on their life? I have had many Jews explain to me that "being Jewish" is cultural, you don't have to believe in the Bible and God to be "Jewish".

Yes, another name for them are "secular Jews". Some Christians think they are saved simply for being Jewish... ignoring any prerequisite outside of that. Secular Jews are the ones that pushed for a Jewish state 50 years before Israel was created. I've been accused of being antisemitic for differentiating between the different types of Jews (spiritual, secular, Zionists, non-Zionists, etc...).

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/gaz...rans-plan-destroy-israel-usher-muslim-messiah
Islam teaches that Israel prevents their false Messiah from appearing. Shia (Iran) believes the "Mahdi" is alive and waiting for the right time to appear. Sunni (Saudi Arabia and the majority of Muslim nations) says that he has yet to be born. Either way, Israel and the Jews must be destroyed in Islam's teachings. There are 7.6 million Jews in America, 3.4 million Muslims. The EU has about 750,000 Jews and 28 million Muslims. If I was a Jew, I would be getting well away from Europe.

And there won't be a two state solution. Every president has tried to have that feather in his cap since Israel became a country in 48. God gave the land to the Jews, eternally and unconditionally.

 

[ZNP]

And there won't be a two state solution. Every president has tried to have that feather in his cap since Israel became a country in 48. God gave the land to the Jews, eternally and unconditionally.

They will try to divide the land, that is prophesied, but God will have the final say, He will veto it and those who try to impose this will be humbled in a very big way.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God gave the land to the Jews, eternally and unconditionally.

True. But there will be many events between that promise being fulfilled and now. The Antichrist will play a big role in Israel. And the Orthodox Jews are expecting to build a temple in Jerusalem (which he will hijack).

Interestingly enough the Hamas terrorists are putting together a new terrorist group in Lebanon called the "Al-Aqsa Flood", which ties into the Al-Aqsa Flood of Hamas on October 7.

The Al Aqsa Mosque is in Jerusalem where the Jewish temple is also located. But this mosque is of great significance to Muslims: "For Muslims, the mosque is the third holiest place in Islam, after Mecca and Medina. Al-Aqsa plaza is the home to two holy places: the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The mosque was built in the 8th century AD. According to Islamic sources, it is from here that Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven for a night."

So the Jews will have to demolish this mosque in order to build the temple. Or build it in the same general area.

 

[Gideon300]

I think it is strange that no one blames the Jews for this two state solution. If the Jews were to say that they are descendants of Abraham, their inheritance is in Israel, and they would all leave the rest of the world then Israel would have a much stronger case in the UN. But instead, half of the Jews live in other countries and they say you don't have to live in Israel to be a Jew. Because of that, it seems reasonable to the UN to divide Israel between Palestinians and Jews.

It is a classic case of wanting your cake and eating it too. You can't have it both ways, either you can live anywhere you want in the world, it doesn't matter, or you have to live in Israel and cannot live anywhere else. Likewise, the argument that God gave them. the land in Israel and it is recorded in the Bible doesn't hold if you also say that "yes God gave us that land, but we can own land anywhere we want on the earth".

Perhaps you should look at some statistics before sounding off. The Jewish population in most countries has shrunk dramatically since the holocaust. They've been driven out of ancestral homes they've lived in for millennia before Islam was a thing. Jews have left Europe in droves. Jews have left Russia since the USSR collapsed. It was not so easy prior to that.

Many who are born Jewish by race are secular. Some are even hostile to the Jewish state. During the exiles of Jews to Babylon and Assyria, some Jews were absorbed into the local culture while others returned to Israel. The ten tribes were scattered to who knows where. Israel exists, firstly as God foretold and enabled, and second, because Jews began to desire a homeland. Constant ill treatment and persecution led to this. Many left Russia after mass murders in 1881 The Zionist movement began in 1897. A Jewish officer in the French army, Alfred Dreyfus, was falsely imprisoned for 5 years. He almost starved to death. As a result, Austrian Theodor Herzl organised the first Zionist congress.

America has been far more welcoming of Jews. They have contributed a great deal.

You seem to forget that God gives all mankind free will. You may wonder why a billionaire would want to stay in the nation where he is accepted, has been incredibly successful and has put down family roots. I do not find that so surprising. It is also not surprising to me that it has taken intense persecution to motivate Jews to move to Israel. Now that they are there, they find themselves surrounded by nations that seek their eradication. It is a miracle that Israel survived the 1948 war and the four wars since. Perhaps not every Jew want to live in a country where they face death every day and a world that criticises every move they make to defend themselves. I wonder how long Americans would put up with Mexican terrorists firing missiles over the border and sending in death squads to murder people in their beds.

 

[Gideon300]

True. But there will be many events between that promise being fulfilled and now. The Antichrist will play a big role in Israel. And the Orthodox Jews are expecting to build a temple in Jerusalem (which he will hijack).

Interestingly enough the Hamas terrorists are putting together a new terrorist group in Lebanon called the "Al-Aqsa Flood", which ties into the Al-Aqsa Flood of Hamas on October 7.

The Al Aqsa Mosque is in Jerusalem where the Jewish temple is also located. But this mosque is of great significance to Muslims: "For Muslims, the mosque is the third holiest place in Islam, after Mecca and Medina. Al-Aqsa plaza is the home to two holy places: the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The mosque was built in the 8th century AD. According to Islamic sources, it is from here that Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven for a night."

So the Jews will have to demolish this mosque in order to build the temple. Or build it in the same general area.

There is a good deal of recently discovered archeological evidence that suggests the temple was built elsewhere. It seems that the "Temple Mount" is in fact the base of a Roman military facility. If this is true, and I found the evidence convincing, there is no need to demolish the Al-Aqsa mosque. It's an abomination that should be removed anyway, but that would unleash a war that would make everything else look like a Christmas party.

 

[ZNP]

Perhaps you should look at some statistics before sounding off. The Jewish population in most countries has shrunk dramatically since the holocaust. They've been driven out of ancestral homes they've lived in for millennia before Islam was a thing. Jews have left Europe in droves. Jews have left Russia since the USSR collapsed. It was not so easy prior to that.

Many who are born Jewish by race are secular. Some are even hostile to the Jewish state. During the exiles of Jews to Babylon and Assyria, some Jews were absorbed into the local culture while others returned to Israel. The ten tribes were scattered to who knows where. Israel exists, firstly as God foretold and enabled, and second, because Jews began to desire a homeland. Constant ill treatment and persecution led to this. Many left Russia after mass murders in 1881 The Zionist movement began in 1897. A Jewish officer in the French army, Alfred Dreyfus, was falsely imprisoned for 5 years. He almost starved to death. As a result, Austrian Theodor Herzl organised the first Zionist congress.

America has been far more welcoming of Jews. They have contributed a great deal.

You seem to forget that God gives all mankind free will. You may wonder why a billionaire would want to stay in the nation where he is accepted, has been incredibly successful and has put down family roots. I do not find that so surprising. It is also not surprising to me that it has taken intense persecution to motivate Jews to move to Israel. Now that they are there, they find themselves surrounded by nations that seek their eradication. It is a miracle that Israel survived the 1948 war and the four wars since. Perhaps not every Jew want to live in a country where they face death every day and a world that criticises every move they make to defend themselves. I wonder how long Americans would put up with Mexican terrorists firing missiles over the border and sending in death squads to murder people in their beds.

I haven't forgotten anything and despite all the ones who have left various countries less than half of the Jews worldwide are in Israel.

If 50% of Jews say they don't need to live in Israel why should the UN? That is the point I made.

I believe it is a terrible offense to divide the Land of Israel, it belongs to God, He gets to give it to whom He pleases. but I can also see that the Jews living in the US as well as anywhere else in the world undermine the Jews claim that this is their land exclusively.

 

[Gideon300]

During slavery in America the Bible was twisted and contorted to justify it. The bottom line is that the Bible condemns American slavery. What the Bible calls "slavery" we would call "a job". The old "I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go" would be applicable. As evil as the slavery in the US was, using the Bible to justify it makes the judgment for it all the worse.

In the same way during the 2,000 year diaspora Jews have twisted and contorted the Bible to say they don't need to live in Israel, they don't even need to believe in God. You would have thought that the Holocaust would have cleared up that misconception, but how many want to think that was a "German" thing and not a "Satanic" thing.

Anyway, the Bible is clear, Jews get saved as a nation, at the end of the tribulation, and those who are saved are in Israel at that time.

You make it sound as if all Jews have twisted God's word. Jews are not a homogenous group except for ethnicity. There are comparatively few Jews in Europe and virtually none in the Middle East. America is one of the few countries that welcomed Jews. Israel is home to about half the world's Jews. Considering that Israel is under constant threat of annihilation by its Muslim neighbours, you can understand why some are reluctant to move there.

Every Jew has the automatic right to citizenship of Israel. Jews have their reasons for migrating or not. They are human like everyone else.

 

[Gideon300]

I haven't forgotten anything and despite all the ones who have left various countries less than half of the Jews worldwide are in Israel.

If 50% of Jews say they don't need to live in Israel why should the UN? That is the point I made.

I believe it is a terrible offense to divide the Land of Israel, it belongs to God, He gets to give it to whom He pleases. but I can also see that the Jews living in the US as well as anywhere else in the world undermine the Jews claim that this is their land exclusively.

Your assertion makes no sense. The UN enables the nation of Israel to be restored. There is nowhere in the charter that says all Jews must live in Israel. Be glad that Jews live in the US. Some of the best scientists, most successful businessmen and academics are Jewish. Push them out and America will be the poorer. Some Jews hate Israel, don't ask me why. Do you demand that they too migrate to Israel?

The current land of Israel is only a fraction of what God gave to Abraham. That is a result of the world meddling, especially the British. That will change eventually also. I'm sure that Israel would be happy to regain all the territory given away by the British. I'm English by birth and it grieves me to see how far the nation has fallen. I believe it is due to their mistreatment of Israel and the double dealing they engaged in during WW2.

 

[ZNP]

Your assertion makes no sense. The UN enables the nation of Israel to be restored. There is nowhere in the charter that says all Jews must live in Israel. Be glad that Jews live in the US. Some of the best scientists, most successful businessmen and academics are Jewish. Push them out and America will be the poorer. Some Jews hate Israel, don't ask me why. Do you demand that they too migrate to Israel?

The current land of Israel is only a fraction of what God gave to Abraham. That is a result of the world meddling, especially the British. That will change eventually also. I'm sure that Israel would be happy to regain all the territory given away by the British. I'm English by birth and it grieves me to see how far the nation has fallen. I believe it is due to their mistreatment of Israel and the double dealing they engaged in during WW2.

The UN is working on a two state solution to split Israel. The Bible prophecies about this and God has expressed extreme displeasure with it. However, there are many Jews who support a two state solution. There is no doubt that the fact half of Jews don't live in Israel undermines the position that all of Israel belongs to the Jews.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is a good deal of recently discovered archeological evidence that suggests the temple was built elsewhere. It seems that the "Temple Mount" is in fact the base of a Roman military facility. If this is true, and I found the evidence convincing, there is no need to demolish the Al-Aqsa mosque. It's an abomination that should be removed anyway, but that would unleash a war that would make everything else look like a Christmas party.

Good to know. I have not looked into this lately, but that could reduce a lot of animosity. Of course for the Muslim Arabs Israel should not even exist. But strangely enough the Koran speaks about the children of Israel!

KORAN -- SURA 2: AL BAQARA (THE HEIFER) -- ALLAH ADDRESSING ISRAEL
40. O Children of Israel! Remember My blessings which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your pledge to Me, and I will fulfill My pledge to you, and fear Me.
41. And believe in what I revealed, confirming what is with you; and do not be the first to deny it; and do not exchange My revelations for a small price; and be conscious of Me.
42. And do not mix truth with falsehood, and do not conceal the truth while you know.
43. And attend to your prayers, and practice regular charity, and kneel with those who kneel.
44. Do you command people to virtuous conduct, and forget yourselves, even though you read the Scripture? Do you not understand?
45. And seek help through patience and prayer. But it is difficult, except for the devout.
46. Those who know that they will meet their Lord, and that to Him they will return.
47. O Children of Israel! Remember My favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you over all nations.

"And believe in what I revealed" (v 41) is a direct reference to the Koran. In other words Jews should convert to Islam. Mohammad was very familiar with the Old Testament, but twisted it to fit the religion of Islam. so the Koran speaks of Abraham and Ishmael building the Ka'aba in Mecca! (and many other fantasies)

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is no doubt that the fact half of Jews don't live in Israel undermines the position that all of Israel belongs to the Jews.

It should not really matter. There are over nine million people in Israel, but this is proportionate to the land area of Israel: "Covering an area of only 8,522 square miles, Israel is smaller than the US state of Massachusetts and only one-fifth the size of the state of Kentucky ".

 

[ZNP]

It should not really matter. There are over nine million people in Israel, but this is proportionate to the land area of Israel: "Covering an area of only 8,522 square miles, Israel is smaller than the US state of Massachusetts and only one-fifth the size of the state of Kentucky ".

The point is if half of the world's Jews do not move to Israel then why do the other half have to live there, they don't, and so they can suggest a compromise where they divide the land with those who were there prior to the UN opening it for the Jews.