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posthuman

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Dogs are a metaphor for sinners and going to sorcerers shows you are placing your trust above God breaking commandment #1 the rest are direct quotes from the Ten Commandments so you seem to be disagreeing with the Text.
dogs eat blood.

this isn't a decalogue reference - that's an enormous, transparent, completely unsupported stretch on you part.
 

posthuman

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commandment #1 is found in Deuteronomy 6, not Exodus 20, per "words of Jesus Himself"

But you argued that Deuteronomy 6 is deletable non essential added only because of sin against ceremonial inactivity.

clearly incorrectly, imo.
 

SabbathBlessing

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commandment #1 is found in Deuteronomy 6, not Exodus 20, per "words of Jesus Himself"

But you argued that Deuteronomy 6 is deletable non essential added only because of sin against ceremonial inactivity.

clearly incorrectly, imo.
I am referring to the Ten Commandments which is the context for Rev 22:14-15 which are found in Exodus 20.

Honestly I do not think we are talking the same language I said nothing about Deut 6 and arguing against it so I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anway, probably best to agree to disagree. Take care.
 

posthuman

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perhaps the best question atm is why does God say the basis of the Sinai covenant Law is totally not the decalogue...?
 

posthuman

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I am referring to the Ten Commandments which is the context for Rev 22:14-15 which are found in Exodus 20.
yeah i know.

and i am reiterating that you are wrong to do so.

both wrong because that's clearly not what Rev. 22 is referring to and because the decalogue isn't the basis of the law in the first place.
 

Magenta

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Yes, the new covenant is based on better promises Hebrews 8:6 not better laws as God's law is perfect Psa 19:7
and you can't improve on perfection which is why God writes His laws in the hearts and minds of His people in
the NC Heb 8:10 Jer 31:33 instead of deleting them kept by His faithful until the end of time Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Romans 13:10
:)
 

Cameron143

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Jesus is our High Priest Heb 8:13
Jesus is our Advocate Hebrews 4:15-16
Jesus is our Mediator Heb 9:15
Jesus was our Sacrificial Lamb
No more animal sacrifices for sin, we can go directly to Jesus Heb 10:1-22
And instead of us doing, it is God who is doing writing His law in our hearts and minds, we just need to cooperate Heb 8:10

These are much better promises! What did not change is the law that defines sin, the Ten Commandments Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30
Judged by Who and for what? And what will the consequences be?
 

SabbathBlessing

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Judged by Who and for what? And what will the consequences be?
Judged by God, which is why the Ten are under His mercy seat.

We serve a fair and just God, in order for Him to judge there has to be a standard to judge by His holy and righteous law. 2 Corinthians 5:10 Romans 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

There are only two paths and our decisions that we make determine our path Romans 6:16
 

Cameron143

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Judged by God, which is why the Ten are under His mercy seat.

We serve a fair and just God, in order for Him to judge there has to be a standard to judge by His holy and righteous law. 2 Corinthians 5:10 Romans 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

There are only two paths and our decisions that we make determine our path Romans 6:16
By God the Father? What does Romans 8:1 refer to then?
 

Dino246

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dogs are a reference to Leviticus 17 ...
I agree that dogs are prone to eat blood, but I don't see them mentioned in Leviticus 17. Is there a particular translation where the word appears?
 

SabbathBlessing

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By God the Father? What does Romans 8:1 refer to then?
Scripture reveals Jesus is our righteous Judge

John 5:22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

In order to understand Romans 8:1 you need to refer to the entire passage...


Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh (sin), but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh (sin) set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh (sin) cannot please God.


Basically there is no condemnation (the wages of sin is death) if we are living in Christ. Those living in sin (flesh) is hostile to God's law. It's something the carnal mind can't understand according to Paul. Living in Christ we are in harmony with His law and in doing so there is no condemnation because we are keeping it.
 

Cameron143

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Scripture reveals Jesus is our righteous Judge

John 5:22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

In order to understand Romans 8:1 you need to refer to the entire passage...


Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh (sin), but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh (sin) set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh (sin) cannot please God.


Basically there is no condemnation (the wages of sin is death) if we are living in Christ. Those living in sin (flesh) is hostile to God's law. It's something the carnal mind can't understand according to Paul. Living in Christ we are in harmony with His law and in doing so there is no condemnation because we are keeping it.
So if we have a bad week, we are under condemnation again?
 

SabbathBlessing

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So if we have a bad week, we are under condemnation again?
No, I do not believe it works like that, it’s the perpetual sinning, no longer listening to God’s voice and living and being comfortable in sin, no longer seeking God’s help in overcoming.

Look at Hebrews 11, that in the NC in action (I will remember your sins no more Heb 8:12) . All the hero’s of faith who fell, but God blots out their sins, all the hero’s repented and God forgave them and remembered their sins no more. God wants a relationship with us, He wants obedience as well but if we submit to God and pray to be in harmony with His will and be willing to follow, He will guide us on the narrow path.
 

Cameron143

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No, I do not believe it works like that, it’s the perpetual sinning, no longer listening to God’s voice and living and being comfortable in sin, no longer seeking God’s help in overcoming.

Look at Hebrews 11, that in the NC in action (I will remember your sins no more Heb 8:12) . All the hero’s of faith who fell, but God blots out their sins, all the hero’s repented and God forgave them and remembered their sins no more. God wants a relationship with us, He wants obedience as well but if we submit to God and pray to be in harmony with His will and be willing to follow, He will guide us on the narrow path.
What happens to a person when they get saved?
 

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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on the Church/Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

Even when Sabbatarians today set out to worship on the sabbath, are they truly "keeping the sabbath" as it was kept under the old covenant of law?
Nope. They keep a "Sabbath-lite" version that leaves out most of the things forbidden to do on a Saturday.
 

posthuman

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I agree that dogs are prone to eat blood, but I don't see them mentioned in Leviticus 17. Is there a particular translation where the word appears?
i was referring to the commandment not to eat blood.

dogs themselves, i don't think are banned by the law anywhere. in fact i have heard anecdotally that they go to heaven.