The Trinity
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Heb 5~~11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
And here is puny little me trying to explain it! It just tells me these are some tough verses, and I better be careful to divide them.
I am saying this for myself, not anyone on this thread.
And here is puny little me trying to explain it! It just tells me these are some tough verses, and I better be careful to divide them.
I am saying this for myself, not anyone on this thread.
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I don't believe that's why. I don't believe there is anything that can separate a believer from God once he or she is saved. You seem to be saying that a believer, through their actions, can. To me, that isn't eternal security.
If I have characterized your position correctly, I don't see how this is any different than making the believer responsible for maintaining their salvation.
If I have characterized your position correctly, I don't see how this is any different than making the believer responsible for maintaining their salvation.
I agree. If I fall, it's my fault. And if I don't come out of it, there is harsh discipline, suffering and possible death. He will just take me home and let someone else do the things that I should have done.
The only Glory he would get from me, is the fact that He still saved me. And I lost the opportunity to glorify Him in time.
I think believers overlook how tragic this really is. After salvation, there is a lot to lose if we don't continue in the faith.
The only Glory he would get from me, is the fact that He still saved me. And I lost the opportunity to glorify Him in time.
I think believers overlook how tragic this really is. After salvation, there is a lot to lose if we don't continue in the faith.
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For God so loved the "world"... To some, this means everyone is saved. But Jesus said elsewhere, basically the saved are those who do the Father's Will. What all is God's Will?
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God"
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality.”
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”
“Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.”
“Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ.”
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God"
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality.”
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”
“Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.”
“Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ.”
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Is your position that merely confessing we do sin is what verse 9 means? And that in doing so, all our sins are forgiven?
And as I posted earlier, I was employing the term unconfessed sin to juxtapose it to confessed sin. I never claimed it was in the Bible or that it was supported in scripture.
And my point was something you assent to...
there are sins that one has done they do not even know they have done, yet are saved, died, and did not confess those sins.This is not the answer some gave.
I also went on to show the reason from chapter 2 why this is so.
So as best as I can understand, you're not quibbling with my conclusion, but how I got there. Is this your point?
And as I posted earlier, I was employing the term unconfessed sin to juxtapose it to confessed sin. I never claimed it was in the Bible or that it was supported in scripture.
And my point was something you assent to...
there are sins that one has done they do not even know they have done, yet are saved, died, and did not confess those sins.This is not the answer some gave.
I also went on to show the reason from chapter 2 why this is so.
So as best as I can understand, you're not quibbling with my conclusion, but how I got there. Is this your point?
I am using the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John. He said His sheep hear and they follow.
I was about 8 years old. I remember having people all around me. I remember one saying, tell Jesus, yes. So, I kept saying yes. And I felt like someone else was there. I really believe I was saying yes to that someone. I just sobbed and sobbed. When it was over with I asked where did that someone go to. They just chuckled and said that was Jesus. I believed them then and still do as I type this.
I was about 8 years old. I remember having people all around me. I remember one saying, tell Jesus, yes. So, I kept saying yes. And I felt like someone else was there. I really believe I was saying yes to that someone. I just sobbed and sobbed. When it was over with I asked where did that someone go to. They just chuckled and said that was Jesus. I believed them then and still do as I type this.
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