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Are all the nations of the world praising Christ as King?
Are the people who survived the slaughter on the great battle against jerusalem comming once a year to worship Christ as King?
There is a difference between Chrsit being king to his children. And Christ reigning as King on earth. Which ALL the OT prophesies stated he would do.
You must separate redemptive prophesy from earthly prophesy.
If you can't do this. You will not see the foundation of my belief.
That is why I asked you if Adam, Noah, Abraham King david and yourself were all saved the same way. But you blew it off. That tells me right there you have no desire to discuss this. So why bother?
YES! Every single nation on Earth has Christians who praise Christ.
What great battle?
Christians are citizens of NEW JERUSALEM and worship Christ as King there YEAR AFTER YEAR.
You THINK the OT prophecies said that because thats what DISPENSATIONALISM has taught you. JESUS NEVER SAID THAT. He said He would never reign in a Kingdom on Earth. He said His Kingdom is not of this world. But you put vain philosophies and the rapings of ancient prophecies above YOUR OWN LORDS WORDS.
Oh I have seperated it. Any Earth prophecy has been fulfilled by the EARTHLY FLESHLY chosen people. They are not around anymore so now we only have spiritual fulfillments left. We ARE THE CHURCH. We should only be concerened about prophecy for the Church. All Hebrew prophecy is DONE. Why wont you address this:
(Matthew 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Did the prophets prophesie 2000 years AFTER John or UNTIL John, like Jesus said?
Listen to your KING:
(Luke 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
(Luke 24:45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(Luke 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luke 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.
(Luke 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
4th request for a response....still no answer. Your as bad as Scotty.
Ya Grace through Faith... so whats next?
What great battle?
Christians are citizens of NEW JERUSALEM and worship Christ as King there YEAR AFTER YEAR.
You THINK the OT prophecies said that because thats what DISPENSATIONALISM has taught you. JESUS NEVER SAID THAT. He said He would never reign in a Kingdom on Earth. He said His Kingdom is not of this world. But you put vain philosophies and the rapings of ancient prophecies above YOUR OWN LORDS WORDS.
Oh I have seperated it. Any Earth prophecy has been fulfilled by the EARTHLY FLESHLY chosen people. They are not around anymore so now we only have spiritual fulfillments left. We ARE THE CHURCH. We should only be concerened about prophecy for the Church. All Hebrew prophecy is DONE. Why wont you address this:
(Matthew 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Did the prophets prophesie 2000 years AFTER John or UNTIL John, like Jesus said?
Listen to your KING:
(Luke 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
(Luke 24:45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(Luke 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luke 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.
(Luke 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
4th request for a response....still no answer. Your as bad as Scotty.
Ya Grace through Faith... so whats next?
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Again. It did not say Christians. it said everyone.
You just PROVED MY POINT.
You have to take a symbolic interpretation of scripture to prove your point. Where I take a literal interpretaive approach. And is not have some have said an israel centered focus vs a Christ centered focus.
I take 1000 years to mean a literal 1000 years. you take it symbolically
I take every nation and their king will worship Christ (literal)
You take a few christians from every nation (symbolic)
I take a literal interpreatation of 70 years (with a gap between the 69th weak and 70th week.
You take a symbolic. because to take a literal all would have to be fulfilled 7 years after Christ was cutt off. Jerusalem did not get destroyed until much more than 7 years after christ was cut off. (Christ killed in 33AD, City destroyed 70 AD) for a literal fulfilment, Jerusalem should have been destroyed at or near 40 AD)
I take a literal meaning of 144000 (Isreal) you take a symbolic (the church)
I take a literal meaning of ez 37. You have to take a symbolic.
I could go on and on and on. And this is also why I made the comment that I BELIVE (Not proven) the ammilenial belief came from the catholic church in the first century when 2 of the 3 major theological schools went from a literal interpretation to a symbolic interpretation. And ended up forcing the literal school to close.
the point is. I take a literal interpretation of all prophesy.
I take a literal interpretation of the covenants. Not as being salvic. but as being Gods covenant with mankind on earth. I Take it that Gods covenant with Abrahams children (flesh) WHICH are not salvic in nature are still in effect today. And if they repent, as God promised in lev 26. He will restore them. God called it an everlasting covenant between him and the children of Jacob. And the church did not take over this covenant.
The "No difference between jew and gentile_ is the salvic nature of the covenants. There is no differecne.
The (gentile are here and grafted in. But when the time is complete. All Israel will be saved. Is a non salvic covenant.
That is why we can't agree. and will not be able to agree.
However. This is a non salvic theology. To get mad at each other and lose friendships over this is exactly what SATAN wants us to do. I have no desire to do this. That is why I call Zone my friend even if we disagree. It is not worth losing a friend over this. I have many CLOSE friends who do not agree with me on all end times stuff and prophesy. But we do not hate on each other and cut each other down because we disagree! If I have ever done this because I get frustrated. Again I beg everyons forgiveness. I never claimed to be perfect, nor do I expect anyone else to be.
You just PROVED MY POINT.
You have to take a symbolic interpretation of scripture to prove your point. Where I take a literal interpretaive approach. And is not have some have said an israel centered focus vs a Christ centered focus.
I take 1000 years to mean a literal 1000 years. you take it symbolically
I take every nation and their king will worship Christ (literal)
You take a few christians from every nation (symbolic)
I take a literal interpreatation of 70 years (with a gap between the 69th weak and 70th week.
You take a symbolic. because to take a literal all would have to be fulfilled 7 years after Christ was cutt off. Jerusalem did not get destroyed until much more than 7 years after christ was cut off. (Christ killed in 33AD, City destroyed 70 AD) for a literal fulfilment, Jerusalem should have been destroyed at or near 40 AD)
I take a literal meaning of 144000 (Isreal) you take a symbolic (the church)
I take a literal meaning of ez 37. You have to take a symbolic.
I could go on and on and on. And this is also why I made the comment that I BELIVE (Not proven) the ammilenial belief came from the catholic church in the first century when 2 of the 3 major theological schools went from a literal interpretation to a symbolic interpretation. And ended up forcing the literal school to close.
the point is. I take a literal interpretation of all prophesy.
I take a literal interpretation of the covenants. Not as being salvic. but as being Gods covenant with mankind on earth. I Take it that Gods covenant with Abrahams children (flesh) WHICH are not salvic in nature are still in effect today. And if they repent, as God promised in lev 26. He will restore them. God called it an everlasting covenant between him and the children of Jacob. And the church did not take over this covenant.
The "No difference between jew and gentile_ is the salvic nature of the covenants. There is no differecne.
The (gentile are here and grafted in. But when the time is complete. All Israel will be saved. Is a non salvic covenant.
That is why we can't agree. and will not be able to agree.
However. This is a non salvic theology. To get mad at each other and lose friendships over this is exactly what SATAN wants us to do. I have no desire to do this. That is why I call Zone my friend even if we disagree. It is not worth losing a friend over this. I have many CLOSE friends who do not agree with me on all end times stuff and prophesy. But we do not hate on each other and cut each other down because we disagree! If I have ever done this because I get frustrated. Again I beg everyons forgiveness. I never claimed to be perfect, nor do I expect anyone else to be.
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It is quite interesting. I just had a thought.
If you take a literal approach to theology. Scripture supports in order from least to most.
amillenialism has very little if any basis of truth
post trib
with pre and mid trib about equal.
In this senerio. Pre and mid trib is most scriptural. With ammillenialism least scriptural
if you take a symbnolic appraoch from least to most.
pre-trib and mid trib have very little if any basis of truth.
post trib
amillenialism.
In this senario. Pre and mid trib have very little support at all if any.
ammilenialism has the most support.
So you can see why we are so far apart in our beliefs.
and to destroy a friendship on just two things is a bad thing
If you take a literal approach to theology. Scripture supports in order from least to most.
amillenialism has very little if any basis of truth
post trib
with pre and mid trib about equal.
In this senerio. Pre and mid trib is most scriptural. With ammillenialism least scriptural
if you take a symbnolic appraoch from least to most.
pre-trib and mid trib have very little if any basis of truth.
post trib
amillenialism.
In this senario. Pre and mid trib have very little support at all if any.
ammilenialism has the most support.
So you can see why we are so far apart in our beliefs.
and to destroy a friendship on just two things is a bad thing
this is really really simple:
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Transliteration: kalah
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-law')
Short Definition: destruction
Transliteration: charats
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-rats')
Short Definition: decreed
the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD was not intended to be portrayed as being performed WITHIN the 70 weeks.
the actual desolation, or destruction followed WITHIN THAT VERY LIVING GENERATION exactly as foretold by Jesus, less than 40 years (a generation) LATER: in 70AD
Matthew 24:2
"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." (the decree ABOUT the desolation)
the DECREE or PROPHECY Jesus declared AGAINST her WAS made within the 70 weeks - the 70th.
Luke 19:44
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
less than 40 years later, in 70AD IT CAME TO PASS....DESOLATE
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
3617. kalah
completion, complete destruction, consumption, annihilation
Original Word: כָּלָהcompletion, complete destruction, consumption, annihilation
Transliteration: kalah
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-law')
Short Definition: destruction
2782. charats
to cut, sharpen, decide
Original Word: חָרַץto cut, sharpen, decide
Transliteration: charats
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-rats')
Short Definition: decreed
the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD was not intended to be portrayed as being performed WITHIN the 70 weeks.
the actual desolation, or destruction followed WITHIN THAT VERY LIVING GENERATION exactly as foretold by Jesus, less than 40 years (a generation) LATER: in 70AD
Matthew 24:2
"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." (the decree ABOUT the desolation)
the DECREE or PROPHECY Jesus declared AGAINST her WAS made within the 70 weeks - the 70th.
Luke 19:44
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
less than 40 years later, in 70AD IT CAME TO PASS....DESOLATE
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NO YOU didnt say everyone YOU asked ALL THE NATIONS. That doesnt mean everyone, it means all the nations are included. And I answered, and said all the nations have Christians and therefore all nations praise Christ.
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That sentence doesnt even make sense.
And I believe in a literal SPIRITUAL Church ok? It's literally a spiritual Kingdom. It's real.
Is a thousand hills a literal thousand?
(Psalms 50:10) For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Who owns the cattle on the 1001'st hill?
You better hope that every nation on Earth suddenly sprouts a monarchy then or your literal interpretations are in deep doo-doo.
Every nation worships Jesus. Check. Christians in every nation.
Every nation has a bible based system of civil laws. Check. Kings are subserviant to Christ.
Duh! Its the same thing!
You what? How can it be a LITERAL 70 weeks if theres a bloomin great gap in there?? LOLZ!
...what a lame way to ruin a perfect prophecy.
We've never even talked about that so now your just extrapolatiing.
You mean you take a CARNAL meaning and I take a spiritual.
And anyone who believes that stuff is just a jew hater right?
So do I. It's all literally happened in the spiritual Kingdom of God.
Are you the LITERAL spiritual seed of Abraham by being in Christ...yes or no?
The point is....you are going to be DECEIVED by a FALSE MESSIAH if you carry on with certain expectations of an Earthly physical Kingdom run from Jerusalem. That is gonna be SALVIFIC for you bud.
(Revelation 14:9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(Revelation 14:10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Revelation 14:11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Well, I'm not here to make friends...I'm here to speak the truth. And if you dont think this is worth getting heated about then you obviously have no confidence in your own wonky eschaetology. By teaching this stuff you are furthering satans deception. You are bringing others into the dispy snare. I will continue to fight you WITH A PASSION wherever you try and teach this. If that means we cant be friends...I really dont care. No, really.
And how you can have the gall to call zone a friend and at the same time a JEW HATER is some of the most two faced cokamayme I've ever seen.
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That sentence doesnt even make sense.
And I believe in a literal SPIRITUAL Church ok? It's literally a spiritual Kingdom. It's real.
Is a thousand hills a literal thousand?
(Psalms 50:10) For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Who owns the cattle on the 1001'st hill?
You better hope that every nation on Earth suddenly sprouts a monarchy then or your literal interpretations are in deep doo-doo.
Every nation worships Jesus. Check. Christians in every nation.
Every nation has a bible based system of civil laws. Check. Kings are subserviant to Christ.
Duh! Its the same thing!
You what? How can it be a LITERAL 70 weeks if theres a bloomin great gap in there?? LOLZ!
...what a lame way to ruin a perfect prophecy.
We've never even talked about that so now your just extrapolatiing.
You mean you take a CARNAL meaning and I take a spiritual.
And anyone who believes that stuff is just a jew hater right?
So do I. It's all literally happened in the spiritual Kingdom of God.
Are you the LITERAL spiritual seed of Abraham by being in Christ...yes or no?
The point is....you are going to be DECEIVED by a FALSE MESSIAH if you carry on with certain expectations of an Earthly physical Kingdom run from Jerusalem. That is gonna be SALVIFIC for you bud.
(Revelation 14:9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(Revelation 14:10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Revelation 14:11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Well, I'm not here to make friends...I'm here to speak the truth. And if you dont think this is worth getting heated about then you obviously have no confidence in your own wonky eschaetology. By teaching this stuff you are furthering satans deception. You are bringing others into the dispy snare. I will continue to fight you WITH A PASSION wherever you try and teach this. If that means we cant be friends...I really dont care. No, really.
And how you can have the gall to call zone a friend and at the same time a JEW HATER is some of the most two faced cokamayme I've ever seen.
And WHY wont you address this:
(Matthew 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Did the prophets prophesie 2000 years AFTER John or UNTIL John, like Jesus said?
Listen to your KING:
(Luke 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
(Luke 24:45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(Luke 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luke 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.
(Luke 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
5th request for a response....still no answer....tick tock
(Matthew 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Did the prophets prophesie 2000 years AFTER John or UNTIL John, like Jesus said?
Listen to your KING:
(Luke 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
(Luke 24:45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(Luke 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luke 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.
(Luke 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
5th request for a response....still no answer....tick tock
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No it is not easy. And you just proved my point again.
After the 69th week. Messiah will be cut off (killed)
We can trace the time from the time to restore JERUSALEM (not the temple) till the day Jesus entered jerusalem was exactly 69 weeks. Which leaves one week left on the prophesy to be completely fulfilled.
1 week - 7 years.
Since the city did not get destroyed on or about 40 AD. The prophesy was not literally fulfilled by Titus. who did it 30 years later.
I can't believe you because I take a literal approach. Se we have a conundrum
The 70 year prophesy was a lie.
the 70 year prophesy was concerning Daniels people (which it was) and after Israels rejection. There is a gap between the 69th and 70th week. because the last week concerns Daniels people.
either way, there is a literal gap of som 30 years even in your interpretation. So why would you say mine is way off? There still is a gap unless you symbolically interpret the years. Which makes no sense. since the first 69 weeks were fulfilled to the day. why would God symbolize the last week? Makes no sense (to me)
After the 69th week. Messiah will be cut off (killed)
We can trace the time from the time to restore JERUSALEM (not the temple) till the day Jesus entered jerusalem was exactly 69 weeks. Which leaves one week left on the prophesy to be completely fulfilled.
1 week - 7 years.
Since the city did not get destroyed on or about 40 AD. The prophesy was not literally fulfilled by Titus. who did it 30 years later.
I can't believe you because I take a literal approach. Se we have a conundrum
The 70 year prophesy was a lie.
the 70 year prophesy was concerning Daniels people (which it was) and after Israels rejection. There is a gap between the 69th and 70th week. because the last week concerns Daniels people.
either way, there is a literal gap of som 30 years even in your interpretation. So why would you say mine is way off? There still is a gap unless you symbolically interpret the years. Which makes no sense. since the first 69 weeks were fulfilled to the day. why would God symbolize the last week? Makes no sense (to me)
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What I would like to say right now I would get kicked out of this chat room. So I will do what God says and bite my tongue.
We are finished. It is obvious you have no desire to understand what I believe. And you evidently have no clue how to discuss non salvic issues without taking things personal. So good luck! I am finished!
We are finished. It is obvious you have no desire to understand what I believe. And you evidently have no clue how to discuss non salvic issues without taking things personal. So good luck! I am finished!
what comes after the 69th week? THE 70TH.
all 69 weeks prior to the 70th were about Jerusalem, the people and the return.
the 70th was about the Anointed One, the Most Holy.
3 1/2 years into His Ministry (announced by John at the Jordan - The Anointing of The Most Holy - The Spirit Like A Dove) He was Crucified.
in the MIDDLE OF THE 70TH WEEK.
all 69 weeks prior to the 70th were about Jerusalem, the people and the return.
the 70th was about the Anointed One, the Most Holy.
3 1/2 years into His Ministry (announced by John at the Jordan - The Anointing of The Most Holy - The Spirit Like A Dove) He was Crucified.
in the MIDDLE OF THE 70TH WEEK.
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I already understand what you believe. Its called Dispensationalism. You've been brainwashed by Dispy evangelical churches. And I've explained why it IS salvific so dont try and palm this off as just a friendly chat about loose issues. You are part of satans deception by trying to teach this stuff. Your not even any good at it coz your not a full on dispy who see's the "Jews" as fulfillment. At least they have answers to how they will see the dispy prophecies fulfilled. All you have is that Jerusalem will be overflowing with people...oh wait...no...you went back on that and said numbers mean nothing. So basically you got nought...lolz...nada.
...your like a dispy stuck in limbo.
...your like a dispy stuck in limbo.
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Zone, I am not chosing anything. I am literally interpreting what the prophesy of daniel says.
"AT THE END OF 69 WEEKS MESSIAH WILL BE CUT OFF"
Cut off means killed. He was killed at the end of the 69th week. which was 3 1/2 years after he was baptized. And before the 70th week started.
He was anointed as messiah at baptism. in fulfillment of the type of Arron. But his anointing was not real until he died. His death and resurrection is what made him king. not his baptism.
"AT THE END OF 69 WEEKS MESSIAH WILL BE CUT OFF"
Cut off means killed. He was killed at the end of the 69th week. which was 3 1/2 years after he was baptized. And before the 70th week started.
He was anointed as messiah at baptism. in fulfillment of the type of Arron. But his anointing was not real until he died. His death and resurrection is what made him king. not his baptism.
I said last week that the “true Israel” is the Israel of faith, not birth; Israel is spiritual, not natural. This view has been called “replacement theology”­it is said that the Church replaced Israel. But a much better term would be “fulfillment theology”­the promises of God made to Old Covenant Israel are “fulfilled” in the Church of Jesus Christ, which is true Israel. Covenant, not race, has always been the defining mark of the true Israel.
This view of “fulfillment theology” presents a major problem for the school of theology called “Dispensationalism.” I would guess that most of you have been schooled in Dispensationalism as I was. And most of you at one time approached and interpreted the Bible Dispensationally.
What is Dispensationalism? The school of theology called “Dispensationalism” came into being during the 19th century, about 170 years ago. So, as a theology it is relatively new. Of all the things which Dispensationalism teaches, the fundamental teaching of the system is that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church. According to Dispensationalism, God has two differing peoples, who each respectively have differing covenant promises, different destinies, and different purposes. Membership in Israel is by natural birth. One enters the Church by supernatural birth.
Dispensationalists view Israel and the Church as having distinct eternal destinies. Israel will receive an eternal earthly kingdom, and the Church an eternal heavenly Kingdom. Irrespective of anything else that may be found in the system, if one rejects the Israel/Church distinction, one ceases to be a Dispensationalist.
Darby, the father of Dispensationalism, stated the distinction in the clearest of terms, “The Jewish nation is never to enter the Church.” Ryrie considers this the most important Dispensational distinction and approves the statement that, “The basic premise of Dispensationalism is the two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity.”
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/jesus-our-fulfillment-types-and-anti-types/
QUESTION:
the promotion of a distinct FLESH ISRAEL ruling the world from Jerusalem - Cui bono?
This view of “fulfillment theology” presents a major problem for the school of theology called “Dispensationalism.” I would guess that most of you have been schooled in Dispensationalism as I was. And most of you at one time approached and interpreted the Bible Dispensationally.
What is Dispensationalism? The school of theology called “Dispensationalism” came into being during the 19th century, about 170 years ago. So, as a theology it is relatively new. Of all the things which Dispensationalism teaches, the fundamental teaching of the system is that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church. According to Dispensationalism, God has two differing peoples, who each respectively have differing covenant promises, different destinies, and different purposes. Membership in Israel is by natural birth. One enters the Church by supernatural birth.
Dispensationalists view Israel and the Church as having distinct eternal destinies. Israel will receive an eternal earthly kingdom, and the Church an eternal heavenly Kingdom. Irrespective of anything else that may be found in the system, if one rejects the Israel/Church distinction, one ceases to be a Dispensationalist.
Darby, the father of Dispensationalism, stated the distinction in the clearest of terms, “The Jewish nation is never to enter the Church.” Ryrie considers this the most important Dispensational distinction and approves the statement that, “The basic premise of Dispensationalism is the two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity.”
http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/jesus-our-fulfillment-types-and-anti-types/
QUESTION:
the promotion of a distinct FLESH ISRAEL ruling the world from Jerusalem - Cui bono?