The Wrecklessness of Believing that Satan is Already Bound

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Necto

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And, for example, it seems to me our conversation useful. I have started to notice that Zone avoids all questions inconvenient for Her. She cannot explain the obvious and clear facts which present others. If the person sincerely searches for true that it accepts any true! It does not penetrate into that that it is spoken by others. Or she understands that in words of others there is a truth but this truth is unpleasant for it. Searching true so does not do. I see in Zone resourcefulness and falsity. If to reject true which that contradicts you there is no way for growth in the Christ! If to accept only that what is pleasant to you it is a way to error and heresy. Such is a way of all arrogant men. How often we see how people who have caught on an error and they would recognise it? But we are faster in the answer we will hear the confused doctrines for the justification and charge in our party.
 

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Zone,

You have seen the real thing meaning... evidence that we are in the mellennium...evidence that Satan has been bound and you can prove it...evidence that Eph 6:10-18 should not be in the scriptures...evidence that Christ is not coming for the Church before any great tribulation period because there is none...evidence that Israel is really is the church and we have all been fooled...

Come now, you spiritualize a heck of alot more than you lead on, because you have to. You are dead in the water and you have to spiritualize to get out of it, but you only sink deeper into your own confusion and instability that has been bought on by being double-minded about these matters.
whatever you say.
i'm thrilled with what i have now.
and its been there the whole time.
 

zone

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Jesus says here that if he's driving out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom has come, but this wouldn't be possible if the strong man weren't tied up. This is consistent with, if not indicative of, the binding of Satan.

Concerning Ephesians 6, we've seen above why this can be read consistently and profitably within an amilliennialist viewpoint.
contemplative...
the dispies will skip right over Christ's proclamation to The Pharisees that The Kingdom of God HAD come upon them. (Or they'll "spiritualize it":rolleyes:)
 

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This poster 'Zone' refuses to explain, because she can't do it and neither can any of her amillennial past or present contemporaries. She is not honest about the whole counsel of God.
you mean you've actually had time to prayerfully look over the reformer's writings?
hard to believe. it's taken and is taking me a long time
 

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And, for example, it seems to me our conversation useful. I have started to notice that Zone avoids all questions inconvenient for Her. She cannot explain the obvious and clear facts which present others..
go check the threads. i'm posting as fast as i can necto. but eventually you'll have to do your own homework (or not).
 
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I do not have necessity to add something to my words, I saw in you lie and resourcefulness. Now I see too most. People leave piety and dedication to God. Doctrines grasp them and knowledge seduces. Own life with Gog and the present search of true in fear of God are sacrificed. Reformation and doctrines for the sake of what? The answer: for the sake of reformation and doctrines! She has come not to communicate but extend the doctrine. You Zone really reign if you consider yourself infallible! Necto.
 

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I do not have necessity to add something to my words, I saw in you lie and resourcefulness. Now I see too most. People leave piety and dedication to God. Doctrines grasp them and knowledge seduces. Own life with Gog and the present search of true in fear of God are sacrificed. Reformation and doctrines for the sake of what? The answer: for the sake of reformation and doctrines! She has come not to communicate but extend the doctrine. You Zone really reign if you consider yourself infallible! Necto.
necto.
present the evidence of this or apologize.
 
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Necto,

I know that God has lead you to respond on this site, and no one on this site encouraged you to respond on this thread but God. You are justified in your response on this thread and God has given you grace to be faithful in your convictions that you have received from Him, your Lord Jesus Christ. You have good discernment and good words to share and the love of God motivates you in all that you do. Continue in that love, you are true servant of the Most High.
 
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(John 12:31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

(Revelation 20:3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Satan is cast out and has been for a long time.

He is therefore bound from deceiving the nations.
 
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systemdown101

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It would seem to me that anyone who watches the news would know without a doubt that Satan is not already bound.
It seems to me that if Satan hasn't been thrown out of Heaven and landed on Earth yet, it's real close.
 
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(John 12:31) Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

(Revelation 20:3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


Satan is cast out and has been for a long time.

He is therefore bound from deceiving the nations.
What would be the time frame and setting of these two references ...

One in (Lk 10:18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

The other in (Rev 12:7-10) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out , that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down , which accused them before our God day and night.
 
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What would be the time frame and setting of these two references ...

One in (Lk 10:18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

The other in (Rev 12:7-10) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out , that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down , which accused them before our God day and night.
Why is that relevant Redman?
 
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I see satan's fingerprints everywhere I look. Television, school lessons-even out of the mouths of some false teachers of the Word. There are decievers and haters of truth abounding everywhere. Lovers of the flesh and deceptors who blind our "would be" brethren daily and by the minute. satan is here and any belief that he isn't is not only false but extremely dangerous. For the devils greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist.
 
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Why is that relevant Redman?
It's relevent because of the intent of the thread and because of what you posted. Why are you making me jump through hoops, you know why it is relevent. Both passages I gave to you, we see Satan being cast out of heaven but neither one shows or makes reference of him being bound. So what would be the setting and time frame of those two scriptures references given in (Lk 10:18, Rev 12:7-10). Contrast and compare them with the two references that you provided in (Jn 12:31, Rev 20:3).
 
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It's relevent because of the intent of the thread and because of what you posted. Why are you making me jump through hoops, you know why it is relevent. Both passages I gave to you, we see Satan being cast out of heaven but neither one shows or makes reference of him being bound. So what would be the setting and time frame of those two scriptures references given in (Lk 10:18, Rev 12:7-10). Contrast and compare them with the two references that you provided in (Jn 12:31, Rev 20:3).
So they dont make reference to him being bound so what?
 

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his being bound is only related to one thing.
we're only told one thing about what he isn't allowed to do until just before the end: deceive the nations.

1484. ethnos
a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)​

Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles
Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s), usually referring to unbelieving Gentiles (non-Jews).



Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

2 Thessalonians 2
Man of Lawlessness
1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

paul said he was restrained (bound) 2000 years ago.
same words.
 
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I see satan's fingerprints everywhere I look. Television, school lessons-even out of the mouths of some false teachers of the Word. There are decievers and haters of truth abounding everywhere. Lovers of the flesh and deceptors who blind our "would be" brethren daily and by the minute. satan is here and any belief that he isn't is not only false but extremely dangerous. For the devils greatest trick was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Yes but luckily he cannot deceive all the nations against the church.The gopel still abounds in every nation on Earth. The time is coming though.
 

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John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
 

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Yes but luckily he cannot deceive all the nations against the church.The gopel still abounds in every nation on Earth. The time is coming though.
and, since we see his job is to deceive the gentiles, what does that suggest?