Opening Daniel's timeline

[10-22-27]

Sorry my posts are so long; I like serving meat, not bones.
Every prophecy has to have a starting point; without one, the end of a prophecy can never be determined, and neither can a timeline be established. So, having a correct timeline supported by Scripture and history is imperative. Let’s begin with Nebuchadnezzar. We don’t know when he was born, but we do know he was co-ruler with his father, Nabopolassar, in 606 B.C., the same year Daniel was taken captive. From 606, seventy years later, in B.C. 536, the Lord sent Cyrus to destroy Babylon and free the Jews, fulfilling Jeremiah prophesy of seventy years, 25:11-12. All twelve tribes could now leave for their homeland if they chose to.

In 605, Nebuchadnezzar became sole ruler when his father died. In 603, Nebuchadnezzar had his dream of empires. Nebuchadnezzar was the head of gold, so the history of empires begins in 605 B.C. In 598 B.C., when Jehoiakim was in his eleventh year as King, Nebuchadnezzar came into Jerusalem and
2 Chronicles 36:7, “Carried off the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon and put them in his temple at Babylon.”

Why is this date of 598 import? From that year forward, the Ark of the Covenant, Mercy seat, and other sacred vessels of the temple were either destroyed or moved to Babylon; the eternal flame extinguished, and the daily sacrifice that was never to cease ceased. Without the Ark and Mercy seat, the High Priest of Israel could no longer present himself or perform his duties within the Holy of Holies on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur. He could no longer present himself before the mercy seat where the LORD communicated with him. Yes, the Jews did continue their daily sacrifices, replacing the ark and mercy seat with a stone, but their sacrifices and offerings were for nothing.

Isaiah 1:13, the LORD said, “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbats, the calling of assemblies, I cannot (endure); it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.” Nebuchadnezzar then destroys Jerusalem and the Temple in 586 B.C.

The king of Persia, Artaxerxes Longimanus, wrote the decree for the Jews to return and rebuild the moat, the wall, and the temple in 456 B.C. I believe Artaxerxes was gracious to the Jews because he was most likely the son of King Xerxes and Esther. So now we have our starting point. It was in 456 B.C. that the 490 years of Daniel’s prophesy began.

The first week, or 49 years, ended in 407 B.C. when the Old Testament closed with Malachi.
The second period of 434 years ended when John, Andrew, and Peter announced, “We have found the Messiah,” this was in late October or early November of 27 A.D. How do I know 27 A.D. is correct? Jesus was born in 4 B.C. When he turned 30, sometime in late October of 27 AD, Luke 3:23, John baptized Jesus and announced him as the expected Messiah, as did Andrew and Peter, John 1:41, “We have found the Messiah.” A priest had to be 30 years of age to serve in the temple.

In 27 A.D., what remained of the 490 years was seven years. Daniel said Messiah would be ‘cut off’ after 3 ½ years. The Lord confirmed his new covenant for 3 ½ years and then was cut off at the cross. As of this moment, 486 1/2 years of the 490 have been fulfilled, leaving 3 ½ years.
But Daniel said, ‘Confirming the covenant would be for one week (7 years), so seven years it will be. The last 3 ½ years will be accomplished by the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and most likely the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7.
Also, the 3 ½ years of the Great Tribulation remains. It will be a period ruled by the antichrist and his high priest. The Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble, has nothing to do with the 490-year prophecy. The time of the Great Tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble. Those who go into this period will either receive the mark of the beast then judged guilty by the Lord. Or reject the mark, be killed, but later raised to serve with the Lord on earth for 1000 years, Revelation 20:4.
I am going to stop here. I want to share my findings with anyone genuinely interested in Daniel’s prophesies. If you’re interested, I have other ideas concerning the “abomination that is set up” Daniel 12:12, and “the abomination of desolation, -- that will ‘stand in the holy place,’ Matthew 24:15. Also, my research concerns the 1290 and the 1335 days. If interested, let me know.

 

[rrcn]

Sorry my posts are so long; I like serving meat, not bones.
Every prophecy has to have a starting point; without one, the end of a prophecy can never be determined, and neither can a timeline be established. So, having a correct timeline supported by Scripture and history is imperative. Let’s begin with Nebuchadnezzar. We don’t know when he was born, but we do know he was co-ruler with his father, Nabopolassar, in 606 B.C., the same year Daniel was taken captive. From 606, seventy years later, in B.C. 536, the Lord sent Cyrus to destroy Babylon and free the Jews, fulfilling Jeremiah prophesy of seventy years, 25:11-12. All twelve tribes could now leave for their homeland if they chose to.

In 605, Nebuchadnezzar became sole ruler when his father died. In 603, Nebuchadnezzar had his dream of empires. Nebuchadnezzar was the head of gold, so the history of empires begins in 605 B.C. In 598 B.C., when Jehoiakim was in his eleventh year as King, Nebuchadnezzar came into Jerusalem and
2 Chronicles 36:7, “Carried off the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon and put them in his temple at Babylon.”

Why is this date of 598 import? From that year forward, the Ark of the Covenant, Mercy seat, and other sacred vessels of the temple were either destroyed or moved to Babylon; the eternal flame extinguished, and the daily sacrifice that was never to cease ceased. Without the Ark and Mercy seat, the High Priest of Israel could no longer present himself or perform his duties within the Holy of Holies on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur. He could no longer present himself before the mercy seat where the LORD communicated with him. Yes, the Jews did continue their daily sacrifices, replacing the ark and mercy seat with a stone, but their sacrifices and offerings were for nothing.

Isaiah 1:13, the LORD said, “Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbats, the calling of assemblies, I cannot (endure); it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.” Nebuchadnezzar then destroys Jerusalem and the Temple in 586 B.C.

The king of Persia, Artaxerxes Longimanus, wrote the decree for the Jews to return and rebuild the moat, the wall, and the temple in 456 B.C. I believe Artaxerxes was gracious to the Jews because he was most likely the son of King Xerxes and Esther. So now we have our starting point. It was in 456 B.C. that the 490 years of Daniel’s prophesy began.

The first week, or 49 years, ended in 407 B.C. when the Old Testament closed with Malachi.
The second period of 434 years ended when John, Andrew, and Peter announced, “We have found the Messiah,” this was in late October or early November of 27 A.D. How do I know 27 A.D. is correct? Jesus was born in 4 B.C. When he turned 30, sometime in late October of 27 AD, Luke 3:23, John baptized Jesus and announced him as the expected Messiah, as did Andrew and Peter, John 1:41, “We have found the Messiah.” A priest had to be 30 years of age to serve in the temple.

In 27 A.D., what remained of the 490 years was seven years. Daniel said Messiah would be ‘cut off’ after 3 ½ years. The Lord confirmed his new covenant for 3 ½ years and then was cut off at the cross. As of this moment, 486 1/2 years of the 490 have been fulfilled, leaving 3 ½ years.
But Daniel said, ‘Confirming the covenant would be for one week (7 years), so seven years it will be. The last 3 ½ years will be accomplished by the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and most likely the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7.
Also, the 3 ½ years of the Great Tribulation remains. It will be a period ruled by the antichrist and his high priest. The Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble, has nothing to do with the 490-year prophecy. The time of the Great Tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble. Those who go into this period will either receive the mark of the beast then judged guilty by the Lord. Or reject the mark, be killed, but later raised to serve with the Lord on earth for 1000 years, Revelation 20:4.
I am going to stop here. I want to share my findings with anyone genuinely interested in Daniel’s prophesies. If you’re interested, I have other ideas concerning the “abomination that is set up” Daniel 12:12, and “the abomination of desolation, -- that will ‘stand in the holy place,’ Matthew 24:15. Also, my research concerns the 1290 and the 1335 days. If interested, let me know.

Why did you move the last 3 1/2 years into the future?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why is this date of 598 import? From that year forward, the Ark of the Covenant, Mercy seat, and other sacred vessels of the temple were either destroyed or moved to Babylon

The Ark of the Covenant was moved to Heaven, where it remains. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his Testament [Covenant]: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)

In 27 A.D., what remained of the 490 years was seven years. Daniel said Messiah would be ‘cut off’ after 3 ½ years. The Lord confirmed his new covenant for 3 ½ years and then was cut off at the cross.

According to chronologer Martin Anstey who wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament it was 30 AD when Christ was crucified. Many others agree. If Christ turned 30 in 27 AD to begin His ministry, and was on earth for three years, the date of the crucifixion would have been Nisan 14, 30 AD. "In his Gospel, John records three Passovers. These three Passovers occur in the three years of Jesus' earthly ministry. John alone recorded the three separate Passover celebrations. John mentions the first in John 2, the second Passover in 6:4 and the third one in 11:55; 12:1; 13:1; 18:28, 39; and 19:14. This third Passover was the one that occurred on the night before Jesus died, and it is the one recorded by all four Gospel writers in conjunction with the Last Supper and the death of Jesus."
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/three-separate-passovers-recorded-in-john

Also you are not seeing that in Daniel 9:25-27 BOTH Christ and the Antichrist are mention. So the 3 1/2 years (half of Daniel's 70th week) applies to the Antichrist, not Christ.

MESSIAH THE PRINCE = CHRIST
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself... [Note: Prince is capitalized in verse 25 but is not capitalized in verse 26 to distinguish between the two. Also out of 490 years 483 years were accomplished in 30 AD. Seven years are in the future and include the Antichrist]

THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME AFTER MESSIAH IS CUT OFF = THE ANTICHRIST
...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[10-22-27]

The Ark of the Covenant was moved to Heaven, where it remains. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his Testament [Covenant]: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)
According to chronologer Martin Anstey who wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament it was 30 AD when Christ was crucified. Many others agree. If Christ turned 30 in 27 AD to begin His ministry, and was on earth for three years, the date of the crucifixion would have been Nisan 14, 30 AD. "In his Gospel, John records three Passovers. These three Passovers occur in the three years of Jesus' earthly ministry. John alone recorded the three separate Passover celebrations. John mentions the first in John 2, the second Passover in 6:4 and the third one in 11:55; 12:1; 13:1; 18:28, 39; and 19:14. This third Passover was the one that occurred on the night before Jesus died, and it is the one recorded by all four Gospel writers in conjunction with the Last Supper and the death of Jesus."
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/three-separate-passovers-recorded-in-john

Also you are not seeing that in Daniel 9:25-27 BOTH Christ and the Antichrist are mention. So the 3 1/2 years (half of Daniel's 70th week) applies to the Antichrist, not Christ.

MESSIAH THE PRINCE = CHRIST
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself... [Note: Prince is capitalized in verse 25 but is not capitalized in verse 26 to distinguish between the two. Also out of 490 years 483 years were accomplished in 30 AD. Seven years are in the future and include the Antichrist]

THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME AFTER MESSIAH IS CUT OFF = THE ANTICHRIST
...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Good morning. You brought up several good points in your response. They were sticking points for me, also. The Jewish New Year falls in October and called Yom Kippur. Jesus was baptized sometime in October 27 A.D. It was 3 1/2 years later, in April (Nison) of 31 A.D., when nailed to the cross. He was the Passover Lamb. So, his ministry lasted for 3 1/2 years, not three, putting us in April 31.

As far as this upper and lower case, Prince, or prince, we will find it written the same way in Revelation 1:5. "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth." Note lower case prince. Now, back to Daniel. We have to be careful in our interpretation of verse 26. "After threescore and two weeks (434 years) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city ---.

The last individual mentioned in the verse is the Messiah, not the people; the people were sent by the 'prince of the kings of the earth,' Jesus Christ. Titus was not a prince then; he was a soldier in the Roman Legions. We have examples of the LORD sending men to punish the Jews throughout the Scriptures. He sent Shalmaneser, king of Assyria, to destroy the ten Northern tribes. He sends Nebuchadnezzar and his armies to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple. He sent Cyrus to free the Jews. He also sent Titus and the Roman Legions to punish the Jews. All these things were prophesied years before they happened; it's always the Lord's will, not men. Men like Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and Titus are the Lord's tools to accomplish his will.

As for your comments on the antichrist being mentioned, I believe you're speaking someone confirming a covenant for seven years (one week); if not, correct me. If it is, that is something today's jump to the conclusion theologians who want to sell books have misconstrued. I'll give you my take on it in another post.

 

[10-22-27]

Why did you move the last 3 1/2 years into the future?

Not sure what you're asking, please explain.

 

[rrcn]

Not sure what you're asking, please explain.

Sorry about that, this is the statement that I was asking about, there seems to be a gap:
"As of this moment, 486 1/2 years of the 490 have been fulfilled, leaving 3 ½ years.
But Daniel said, ‘Confirming the covenant would be for one week (7 years), so seven years it will be. The last 3 ½ years will be accomplished by the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and most likely the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7."

 

[10-22-27]

Sorry about that, this is the statement that I was asking about, there seems to be a gap:
"As of this moment, 486 1/2 years of the 490 have been fulfilled, leaving 3 ½ years.
But Daniel said, ‘Confirming the covenant would be for one week (7 years), so seven years it will be. The last 3 ½ years will be accomplished by the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and most likely the 144,000 Jews of Revelation 7."

I will do the best I can to explain this series of events. Okay, let me put this on a timeline. Hypothetically, let's say the church is raptured next year on Passover, that would be April 24, 2024. After the rapture occurs, several events will take place. The two witnesses will be revealed. Then the antichrist will be revealed. Thirdly, the 144,000 will receive the mark of the Father on their foreheads, the world will know who they are.

I believe your question concerns the time the two witnesses will finish confirming Christ's new covenant, the one Daniel 9:27 speaks of. After the 3 1/2 years, the two witnesses are killed and taken into heaven. The 3 1/2 years they witnessed will close out Daniel's prophesy of 490 years. Also, at that time, the antichrist will suffer a deadly wound. It's now his high priest, the second beast comes into view. He will heal the deadly wound of the antichrist, do great wonders, build an image of the antichrist, and will cause everyone to receive the mark 666. Those who refuse will be put to death. This period is called the Great Tribulation. It will last for 3 1/2 years; it has nothing to do with the 490-year prophesy. When the 3 1/2 years are over, that's when the Lord returns and takes vengeance on his enemies. That date would be, April 2031, exactly 2000 years from the time of his ascension in April of 31 A.D.
Your thoughts

 

[Nehemiah6]

[QUOTE="10-22-27, post: 5208434, member: 328051"]Now, back to Daniel. We have to be careful in our interpretation of verse 26. "After threescore and two weeks (434 years) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city --[/QUOTE]That is actually 483 years. And here's how it is established:
SEVEN WEEKS = 7 X 7 = 49 years +
THREE SCORE AND TWO WEEKS = 3 X 20 X 7 + 2 X 7 = 420 years + 14 years = 434 years
434 years + 49 years = 483 years
490 -483 = 7 remaining years.

As to your reference to the capitalization of Prince for Christ, there was a good reason for the KJV translators to distinguish between the two princes. That still does not change the fact that on one hand Christ is crucified on on the other hand the Antichrist sets up the Abomination of Desolation (verses 26 & 27).

 

[10-22-27]

[QUOTE="10-22-27, post: 5208434, member: 328051"]Now, back to Daniel. We have to be careful in our interpretation of verse 26. "After threescore and two weeks (434 years) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city --

That is actually 483 years. And here's how it is established:
SEVEN WEEKS = 7 X 7 = 49 years +
THREE SCORE AND TWO WEEKS = 3 X 20 X 7 + 2 X 7 = 420 years + 14 years = 434 years
434 years + 49 years = 483 years
490 -483 = 7 remaining years.

As to your reference to the capitalization of Prince for Christ, there was a good reason for the KJV translators to distinguish between the two princes. That still does not change the fact that on one hand Christ is crucified on on the other hand the Antichrist sets up the Abomination of Desolation (verses 26 & 27).[/QUOTE]

Nehemiah, stick with me on this. There's a lot more to this puzzle then what appears obvious. The Holy place always refers to the place where the holy of holies stood. Now, what if the abomination of desolation is already standing on the Holy place? That holy place was purchased by David for the house of the Lord. God never gave it to anyone, all he did was kick the Jews out, and has temporarily given it to the Muslims, but it still belongs to him. I'm talking about the Dome of the Rock, an abomination already sitting atop Mt. Moriah. I honestly believe the antichrist will be of Assyrian blood and will come out of Iran. The Arab's are brothers to the Jews, via Abraham. They worshipped the same God, who was the God of their fathers, Ishmael and Jacob. The antichrist will not worship the God of his father.
I'll stop here. If what I'm saying makes no sense to you, I understand, but I would like to continue to show you how everything else fits in, including (Who) confirms what covenant. Trust me on this, it's not the antichrist confirming any covenant with the Jews, its Christ's covenant with the Jews.

 

[DRobinson]

The Ark of the Covenant was moved to Heaven, where it remains. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his Testament [Covenant]: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)
According to chronologer Martin Anstey who wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament it was 30 AD when Christ was crucified. Many others agree. If Christ turned 30 in 27 AD to begin His ministry, and was on earth for three years, the date of the crucifixion would have been Nisan 14, 30 AD. "In his Gospel, John records three Passovers. These three Passovers occur in the three years of Jesus' earthly ministry. John alone recorded the three separate Passover celebrations. John mentions the first in John 2, the second Passover in 6:4 and the third one in 11:55; 12:1; 13:1; 18:28, 39; and 19:14. This third Passover was the one that occurred on the night before Jesus died, and it is the one recorded by all four Gospel writers in conjunction with the Last Supper and the death of Jesus."
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/three-separate-passovers-recorded-in-john

Also you are not seeing that in Daniel 9:25-27 BOTH Christ and the Antichrist are mention. So the 3 1/2 years (half of Daniel's 70th week) applies to the Antichrist, not Christ.

MESSIAH THE PRINCE = CHRIST
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself... [Note: Prince is capitalized in verse 25 but is not capitalized in verse 26 to distinguish between the two. Also out of 490 years 483 years were accomplished in 30 AD. Seven years are in the future and include the Antichrist]

THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME AFTER MESSIAH IS CUT OFF = THE ANTICHRIST
...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

A few questions.
Do you believe the antichrist will place his throne in the temple as many do?
Will he place his image in the temple as many do?
If you do, then when will he destroy the city and the temple?
How can one fifth of the city fall when the earthquake comes when the two witnesses rise up and are called into heaven if he destroys the city?

 

[Huckleberry]

.......let's say the church is raptured .......

Entire premise rejected.
NEXT!!!

 

[Nehemiah6]

A few questions.
Do you believe the antichrist will place his throne in the temple as many do?
Will he place his image in the temple as many do?
If you do, then when will he destroy the city and the temple?
How can one fifth of the city fall when the earthquake comes when the two witnesses rise up and are called into heaven if he destroys the city?

All good questions, and for some we do not really have the answers.

1. Do you believe the antichrist will place his throne in the temple as many do?
The throne is not mentioned in Scripture, but he will indeed sit in the temple of God claiming that he is God.

2. Will he place his image in the temple as many do?
Yes. The Abomination of Desolation is actually an idolatrous image, and this will be an image of the Antichrist. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:15)

3.If you do, then when will he destroy the city and the temple?
We are not told exactly when this will happen. Not every detail has been revealed.

4. How can one fifth of the city fall when the earthquake comes when the two witnesses rise up and are called into heaven if he destroys the city?
It is only after the two witnesses ascend to Heaven that there is a great earthquake and only one-tenth (not one fifth) of the city is destroyed. So evidently the rest of the city will be destroyed later (although that is not mentioned here).

 

[10-22-27]

The Ark of the Covenant was moved to Heaven, where it remains. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his Testament [Covenant]: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)
According to chronologer Martin Anstey who wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament it was 30 AD when Christ was crucified. Many others agree. If Christ turned 30 in 27 AD to begin His ministry, and was on earth for three years, the date of the crucifixion would have been Nisan 14, 30 AD. "In his Gospel, John records three Passovers. These three Passovers occur in the three years of Jesus' earthly ministry. John alone recorded the three separate Passover celebrations. John mentions the first in John 2, the second Passover in 6:4 and the third one in 11:55; 12:1; 13:1; 18:28, 39; and 19:14. This third Passover was the one that occurred on the night before Jesus died, and it is the one recorded by all four Gospel writers in conjunction with the Last Supper and the death of Jesus."
https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/three-separate-passovers-recorded-in-john

Also you are not seeing that in Daniel 9:25-27 BOTH Christ and the Antichrist are mention. So the 3 1/2 years (half of Daniel's 70th week) applies to the Antichrist, not Christ.

MESSIAH THE PRINCE = CHRIST
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself... [Note: Prince is capitalized in verse 25 but is not capitalized in verse 26 to distinguish between the two. Also out of 490 years 483 years were accomplished in 30 AD. Seven years are in the future and include the Antichrist]

THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME AFTER MESSIAH IS CUT OFF = THE ANTICHRIST
...and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week [after 3 1/2 years] he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Nehemiah concerning this verse, The Ark of the Covenant was moved to Heaven, where it remains. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his Testament [Covenant]: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. (Rev 11:19)

Compare that with Hebrews 8:5, "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, see saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount." The ark of the covenant that was in Solomon's temple isn't what Revelation 11 is talking about. What John saw was the prototype, the original model the one the ark in the Temple was patterned after.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What John saw was the prototype, the original model the one the ark in the Temple was patterned after.

Not really. The Ark of the Covenant had a mercy seat overshadowed by the cherubim. But it is the throne of God which is now the true Mercy Seat, since we see the cherubim connected with the throne of God in Ezekiel and Revelation. And above the firmament that was over their heads [of the cherubim] was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. (Ezek 1:26). The living creatures of Ezekiel are the same as "the beasts" of Revelation (Rev 4:6) surrounding the throne of God.

So the Ark of the Covenant from Solomon's Temple is still in Heaven. God would not allow it to fall into Gentile hands from that time.

 

[10-22-27]

Not really. The Ark of the Covenant had a mercy seat overshadowed by the cherubim. But it is the throne of God which is now the true Mercy Seat, since we see the cherubim connected with the throne of God in Ezekiel and Revelation. And above the firmament that was over their heads [of the cherubim] was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. (Ezek 1:26). The living creatures of Ezekiel are the same as "the beasts" of Revelation (Rev 4:6) surrounding the throne of God.

So the Ark of the Covenant from Solomon's Temple is still in Heaven. God would not allow it to fall into Gentile hands from that time.

That's what I was implying. Jesus was the pattern as was every item in the temple.

 

[10-22-27]

A few questions.
Do you believe the antichrist will place his throne in the temple as many do?
Will he place his image in the temple as many do?
If you do, then when will he destroy the city and the temple?
How can one fifth of the city fall when the earthquake comes when the two witnesses rise up and are called into heaven if he destroys the city?

DRobinson, would like to apoligized for not getting back to you sooner, been busy. Have downloaded your questions and will get back to you by tomorrow. Understand, Daniel has prophesies overlapping other prophesies, and certain things are difficult to explain, so I will try to cover my bases as well as I can.

The first and most important issue is, "When was the Daily sacrifice taken away? Without this information, nothing else can be determined, so that's where I'll start. We can move forward from there. When was the daily sacrifice as commanded by the LORD taken away from the Jews. This will give us a reasonable start point for other issues you have asked about. This will bring us to the question of the temple the antichrist is to rule from and the abominations of desolations (plural) both Daniel 12:11, and Matthew 24:15 mention.

 

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Not really. The Ark of the Covenant had a mercy seat overshadowed by the cherubim. But it is the throne of God which is now the true Mercy Seat, since we see the cherubim connected with the throne of God in Ezekiel and Revelation. And above the firmament that was over their heads [of the cherubim] was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. (Ezek 1:26). The living creatures of Ezekiel are the same as "the beasts" of Revelation (Rev 4:6) surrounding the throne of God.

So the Ark of the Covenant from Solomon's Temple is still in Heaven. God would not allow it to fall into Gentile hands from that time.

Sorry I haven't responded to you sooner. The question of where the ark and mercy seat are, is not important. What is important is, in what sort of situation did the nation of Israel find itself in without them? Get back to you tomorrow.

 

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The books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, and the lesser O.T. prophets have left many clues only now being revealed. A perfect example is when Israel became a nation after 1878 years of dispersion.

During this period, the Roman Catholic church claimed God was finished with Israel. So, the doctrine of ‘Spiritual Israel' raised its ugly head. Also, Jews and Protestants were told God was done with Israel. Why? Because they had no faith in God’s promise to restore them.

They looked the other way concerning the following verses.

Ezekiel 37:21-28, “Thus saith the LORD God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen (Gentile’s) whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:”

Hosea 3:5, “Afterward (in the latter days) shall the children of Israel return (May 14, 1948) and seek the LORD their God (still future), and David their king (symbolic of Christ); and shall fear (seek after) the LORD and His goodness in the Latter days (last days).”

Hosea 1:10-11, But “It shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, you are NOT my people, there it shall be said unto them, you ARE the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together and appointed themselves one head.”

Romans 11:26, “And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Zion the Deliverer (Jesus,) and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (still future).”

Isaiah 60:21, “The people --- they shall inherit the land forever.”

On May 14, 1948, the promises mentioned above were fulfilled.

Also, several specific events must be understood and put in a correct timeline. Let's begin with,

1. When was the daily sacrifice taken away? Others are,

2. Can the church survive without the Holy Spirit?

3. What happens when the church and Holy Spirit are taken to heaven to be with the Lord?

4. Is the antichrist going to make a covenant with the Jews?

5. Is the antichrist going to sit in a temple built by the Jews?

6. When will the two Witnesses of God be revealed?

7. When will the 144,000 be revealed?

8. Will the antichrist have to step back while the two Witnesses are giving their testimony for 3 1/2 years?

These and other questions must be answered; they all have to be tied together and in order. I will start with the daily sacrifice on a new post.

 

[Cameron143]

The books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, and the lesser O.T. prophets have left many clues only now being revealed. A perfect example is when Israel became a nation after 1878 years of dispersion.

During this period, the Roman Catholic church claimed God was finished with Israel. So, the doctrine of ‘Spiritual Israel' raised its ugly head. Also, Jews and Protestants were told God was done with Israel. Why? Because they had no faith in God’s promise to restore them.

They looked the other way concerning the following verses.

Ezekiel 37:21-28, “Thus saith the LORD God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen (Gentile’s) whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:”

Hosea 3:5, “Afterward (in the latter days) shall the children of Israel return (May 14, 1948) and seek the LORD their God (still future), and David their king (symbolic of Christ); and shall fear (seek after) the LORD and His goodness in the Latter days (last days).”

Hosea 1:10-11, But “It shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, you are NOT my people, there it shall be said unto them, you ARE the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together and appointed themselves one head.”

Romans 11:26, “And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Zion the Deliverer (Jesus,) and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (still future).”

Isaiah 60:21, “The people --- they shall inherit the land forever.”

On May 14, 1948, the promises mentioned above were fulfilled.

Also, several specific events must be understood and put in a correct timeline. Let's begin with,

1. When was the daily sacrifice taken away? Others are,

2. Can the church survive without the Holy Spirit?

3. What happens when the church and Holy Spirit are taken to heaven to be with the Lord?

4. Is the antichrist going to make a covenant with the Jews?

5. Is the antichrist going to sit in a temple built by the Jews?

6. When will the two Witnesses of God be revealed?

7. When will the 144,000 be revealed?

8. Will the antichrist have to step back while the two Witnesses are giving their testimony for 3 1/2 years?

These and other questions must be answered; they all have to be tied together and in order. I will start with the daily sacrifice on a new post.

Under what covenant will God deal with the nation Israel?

 

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Under what covenant will God deal with the nation Israel?

Excellent question: It's the new covenant Jesus Christ brought with him.

Isaiah 42:6, “I the LORD (Father) have called you (Jesus) in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of (to) the people for a light of the Gentiles;”

Jeremiah 31:31, “Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:”

Malachi 3:1, “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom you (Israel) seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant,” that was Jesus.

Luke 22:20, Jesus is speaking, “This cup is the New Testament (or covenant) in my blood, which is shed for you.”