Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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We at the BBC love our British politicians, cough cough

Rumors have it James may be the next foreign secretary 😊


Home Secretary James Cleverly apologises for 'ironic joke' about spiking wife's drink with a rape date drug
  • By Ione Wells
  • Political correspondent
24 December 2023, 00:20 GMT
Updated 55 minutes ago

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Home Secretary James Cleverly has apologised for making an "ironic joke" about spiking his wife's drink at a Downing Street reception.
He reportedly said the ideal spouse was "someone who is always mildly sedated so she can never realise there are better men out there".
According to the Sunday Mirror, he also mentioned Rohypnol - a so-called "date rape" drug.
Senior Labour party figures have described the comments as "appalling".
Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said spiking - putting alcohol or drugs in someone's drink or body without their consent - was a "disturbing and serious crime which is having a devastating impact on young women's lives".
"It is truly unbelievable that the home secretary made such appalling jokes on the very same day the government announced a new policy on spiking," she added.
And charity Women's Aid said political leaders were relied upon to "take action to end violence against women and girls, and the misogyny that underpins it".
"It is vital that spiking survivors see ministers treating the subject seriously and not downplaying the reality so many women face," it said on X.
Another women's rights organisation, the Fawcett Society, called on Mr Cleverly to resign, asking: "How can we trust him to seriously address violence against women and girls?"
In a statement, it said: "It's sickening that the senior minister in charge of keeping women safe thinks that something as terrifying as drugging women is a laughing matter."
A spokesman for the home secretary said: "In what was always understood as a private conversation, James, the home secretary tackling spiking, made what was clearly meant to be an ironic joke - for which he apologises."
A source told the BBC he did not recollect the exact wording he had used, because it was a private off-the-record event, but recognised that any joke along those lines was inappropriate - which was why he was apologising.
The incident happened on 18 December, when political journalists were invited to a drinks reception in 10 Downing Street along with political aides, ministers and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
On the same day, Mr Cleverly had promoted a raft of new government measures to tackle spiking and described it as a "perverse crime".
According to reports first published by the Sunday Mirror newspaper, Mr Cleverly told some female guests there that "a little bit of Rohypnol in her drink every night" was "not really illegal if it's only a little bit".
It also says he laughed that the secret to a long marriage was ensuring your spouse was "someone who is always mildly sedated so she can never realise there are better men out there".
Conversations at Downing Street receptions are usually considered "off the record" - and therefore not reported on - but the Sunday Mirror said it had decided to break this convention because of Mr Cleverly's position and the content of his remarks.
Mr Cleverly met his wife at university and the couple have two children.
Labour's shadow minister for domestic violence and safeguarding, Alex Davies-Jones, said: "If the home secretary is serious about tackling spiking, and violence against women and girls, then that requires a full cultural change.
"The 'banter' needs to stop and it has to start at the top."
Mr Cleverly also had to apologise last month for using "unparliamentary" language to describe a Labour MP.
what new un-edited news reports have you got coming 🤔
 
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As promised the first of many unedited videos 😊 sorry about the sport at the end

Jerusalem's holy priests call for an end to the violence in Gazza

 
Israel Knew Hamas’ Attack Plan a Year Before Oct. 7: Report
A YEAR BEFORE Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel, a document detailing plans to carry out the assault circulated among Israeli officials, according to the New York Times.
http://tinyurl.com/23644mzb

Natinyahooo Knew the attack was coming and did nothing because this attack guaranteed Natinyahooo's political future.
Today he is bombing Gaza and destroying the buildings knowing human lives were within.

Natinyahooo should be charged with war crimes.
 

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now once upon a time Isreal leaders where willing to accept a two state solution, any ideas why that may be. In my view this war is over rights of land. From the Palestinian point of view there land close to Isreal has been over ruled wrongly.

I'm not talking about Jerusalem.
It's not about the land. "From the river to the sea", tells you right there what this is about.
 

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Both Muslims and Jews are responsible.
According to the words in the Koran, Muslims should have helped Jews know Jesus Christ.
How could a Muslim help anyone find Christ when they themselves don't know Him or the truth.

This led to the Jews never knowing that Jesus Christ was the Messiah.
But they will...


It's like the butterfly effect.one ring linked with another—closely linked.It's so complicated that I don't know where to start.
Actually it's not. The Jews are waiting for the Messiah. We believe that Messiah is Jesus, who will return. The Muslims, through Muhammed, wanted Christians and Jews to convert. When they didn't, he began to kill them by beheading them. No one can force anyone to Christ. Muhammed blended Catholicism with Judaism and added his own "beliefs". They know neither God nor Jesus.
 
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Israel Knew Hamas’ Attack Plan a Year Before Oct. 7: Report
A YEAR BEFORE Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel, a document detailing plans to carry out the assault circulated among Israeli officials, according to the New York Times.
http://tinyurl.com/23644mzb

Natinyahooo Knew the attack was coming and did nothing because this attack guaranteed Natinyahooo's political future.
Today he is bombing Gaza and destroying the buildings knowing human lives were within.


Natinyahooo should be charged with war crimes.
It's remarkable that so many people gathered in Jerusalem, manger square where Jesus was born to call for an end and cease fire.

And even waved a Palestinian flag in consolidation, for all those poor poor people in Gazza at manger square today

I Would imagine that even tho some of that crowd could have been Palestinians there would have been Jews. Who would have both understood each others concerns.

It's gut wrenching having to report this at Christmas.

My thoughts are the nuclear power countries have had a plan to seize Ukraine Gazza Lebanon Iran from the beginning.

It looks like Lebanon and Iran are next.

There basically being couped under a mask.

I've witnessed the same old same old for a long time, it's just so predictable.
 
No, they have not. That is a lie.
Liar, Liar, liar, pants on fire
Hasn't Palestine people been asking for a two state solution for years
Thunderrr-mental said: “No, they have not. That is a lie.”
Nov. 1, 2023
Does a 2-State Solution, Long Discounted, Still Have a Future?
As President Biden and other Western leaders promote the idea, some diplomats and analysts say the Hamas-Israel war may breathe new life into it.
2-State Solution Historical background and basis
The two-state solution proposed by the Oslo Accords
was born out of a series of historical events. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Jews and Arabs both claimed the right to self-determination in historical Palestine. A first attempt at partitioning the land in 1948 resulted in an Israeli state but no Palestinian state, and the West Bank and Gaza Strip fell under Jordanian and Egyptian rule, respectively. In the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel captured and occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and other Arab territories, which in the aftermath led to the idea that Israel would exchange land it had captured for peace with its Arab neighbours, including, eventually, the Palestinians.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution
Israel-Palestine: A short history of the two-state solution
In November 1947, the United Nations adopted the principle of the two-state solution.

http://tinyurl.com/4bw8znut

From what I can tell, only a Zion can speak through both ends of his mouth and pick his nose while walking and chewing gum all at the same time. Note: I could be wrong
No offense intended or implies
cause I love You ThereRoseaLamb my sweet plump dumpling~~~~~
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Quite often in theese wars there's always a reason to blame someone else before the the true war starts

USA have just bombed Iran whilst saying they dont want this war to escalate for weeks.

Isreal have bombed Lebanon whist saying they don't want this war to escalate for weeks.

Well I don't know if anyone has ever noticed that theese nuclear power countries always do the exact opposite of what they say.

Russia said they had no intentions of going to war with Ukraine. And even say it's not a war there fighting.

I mean is my name Joe bloggs it must be surely.

Of course by saying they don't want the war to escalate they then can say once it escalates which it has, they never wanted that 🤔
 
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Quite often in theese wars there's always a reason to blame someone else before the the true war starts

USA have just bombed Iran whilst saying they dont want this war to escalate for weeks.

Isreal have bombed Lebanon whist saying they don't want this war to escalate for weeks.

Well I don't know if anyone has ever noticed that theese nuclear power countries always do the exact opposite of what they say.

Russia said they had no intentions of going to war with Ukraine. And even say it's not a war there fighting.

I mean is my name Joe bloggs it must be surely.

Of course by saying they don't want the war to escalate they then can say once it escalates which it has, they never wanted that 🤔
it's out standing USA are condeming russia for bombing whilst bombing.

And Russia are condemning the USA for bombing whilst bombing too.

The best parts is both parties are bombing on Christmas day 🤔

I'm sure Isreal are doing the same

Hmm who's left, I guess the UK will join in soon.

Maybe they already have
 
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it's out standing USA are condeming russia for bombing whilst bombing.

And Russia are condemning the USA for bombing whilst bombing too.

The best parts is both parties are bombing on Christmas day 🤔

I'm sure Isreal are doing the same

Hmm who's left, I guess the UK will join in soon.

Maybe they already have
I wonder with all these proxies in place for the big boys toys in the big leagues.

Are all theese small proxy warfare parties legitimate freedom fighters believing in a cause of their own 🤔
 
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It a fair question I guess
well further reasons to this fair question would be.

2 weeks ago Isreal equated hamas to Isis, at the time I thought it won't be long before we see hamas groups arising up all over the middle east.

And law and behold they have.

I then remembered both the USA and Isreal saying they don't want this war to escalate,

It reminded when the world was so gullible to believe wars where justified last time there was an isis group

I think neither Isis or hamas are legitimate freedom fighter groups fighting for there own cause, and I hardly think a few drone attacks on a few ships out in the red sea warrants bombing Iran like that.

But hey my name is Joe bloggs what does it matter
 
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well further reasons to this fair question would be.

2 weeks ago Isreal equated hamas to Isis, at the time I thought it won't be long before we see hamas groups arising up all over the middle east.

And law and behold they have.

I then remembered both the USA and Isreal saying they don't want this war to escalate,

It reminded when the world was so gullible to believe wars where justified last time there was an isis group

I think neither Isis or hamas are legitimate freedom fighter groups fighting for there own cause, and I hardly think a few drone attacks on a few ships out in the red sea warrants bombing Iran like that.

But hey my name is Joe bloggs what does it matter
nope it's not Joe bloggs

MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA: MORE THAN 45 ARMED CONFLICTS


This is, in numbers, the most affected region: more than 45 armed conflicts are currently taking place throughout the Middle East and North Africa in the following territories: Cyprus, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Yemen and Western Sahara.

The majority are non-international (NIACs), involving a multitude of armed non-state actors and foreign interventions by Western powers, Russia, and neighbouring countries – except for the NIACs taking place in Egypt and Turkey.

‘Syria is the most affected country in the region. Several multiple and overlapping NIACs are taking place in the country – involving numerous armed groups who fight against the government and against each other –, along with two military occupations and three international armed conflicts’ explains Dr Chiara Redealli, Research Fellow at the Geneva Acad
TODAY’S ARMED CONFLICTS

Our Rule of Law in Armed Conflict Online Portal (RULAC) classifies all situations of armed violence that amount to an armed conflict under international humanitarian law.
Today, it monitors more than 110 armed conflicts and provides information about parties, the latest developments, and applicable international law. Some of these conflicts make the headlines, others do not. Some of them started recently, while others have lasted for more than 50 years.


DISCOVER

MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA: MORE THAN 45 ARMED CONFLICTS

This is, in numbers, the most affected region: more than 45 armed conflicts are currently taking place throughout the Middle East and North Africa in the following territories: Cyprus, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Yemen and Western Sahara.
The majority are non-international (NIACs), involving a multitude of armed non-state actors and foreign interventions by Western powers, Russia, and neighbouring countries – except for the NIACs taking place in Egypt and Turkey.
‘Syria is the most affected country in the region. Several multiple and overlapping NIACs are taking place in the country – involving numerous armed groups who fight against the government and against each other –, along with two military occupations and three international armed conflicts’ explains Dr Chiara Redealli, Research Fellow at the Geneva Academy.

© Mahmoud Sulaiman, Unplash

AFRICA: MORE THAN 35 ARMED CONFLICTS

Africa comes second in the number of armed conflicts per region with more than 35 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) taking place in Burkina Faso, Cameroon, the Central African Republic (CAR), the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Mozambique, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, South Sudan and Sudan. Several armed groups – fighting against government forces and/or against each other’s – are involved in these conflicts.
Western powers and/or neighbouring countries are intervening in the NIACs that take place in Burkina Faso, Mali, Mozambique, Nigeria, and Somalia.
‘CAR is on the top of the list with several NIACs involving multiple armed groups. The Government is involved in NIACs against a wide array of rebel groups, including the anti-Balaka and the ex-Séléka. There are also parallel non-international armed conflicts due to the infighting between various armed groups’ underlines Dr Redealli.

© UN Photo/Stuart Price

ASIA: 21 ARMED CONFLICTS
 
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Then there's this

Asia is the theatre of 19 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) involving 19 armed groups. These are happening in Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, Pakistan and The Philippines.
Two international armed conflicts – between respectively India and Pakistan, and between India and China – are also taking place in the region.
‘Pakistan and the Philippines are on the top of the list with six NIACs for each country. In Pakistan, governmental forces are fighting various armed groups acting throughout the territory, particularly Taliban-affiliated groups in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and independence fighters in Balochistan. In the Philippines, most NIACs are taking place in the Mindanao region where government forces are fighting against several armed groups, including the Moro National Liberation Front, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, the Maute Group and the Abu Sayyaf Group’ explains Dr Chiara