Opening Daniel's timeline

[Thunderrr-mental]

Israel came through Isaac, not Ishmael. Some promises are for this world, and some are eternal.
Making Ishmael a promise is evidence that God gives grace and mercy to all. It also was a grace to Abraham, who loved Ishmael and desired good for him.
But mostly, it served God's purposes to test Israel and deliver His people.

the best proverbs I like about fools, is the one that goes only fools rush in. But then there's another verse after that and then it's not so bad. 😋🤨😁

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

speaking about rushing in on my last post why was the valley of the kings called the valley of the kings 😋

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Lols😋

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

Joking aside now dont you find it funny that the Midianites, who where known as the true Ishmaelites, where the ones who rescued Joseph and took him to Egypt after his brother's sold him ?.

So there we have Ishmeal sent on his way by a jealous Sarah stealing Ishmeal of his birth right. Don't forget it's was Sarah's idea in the first place to let hagar have a son to Abraham

Then we have Esau and Jacob born to Sarah son isac stealing each others birth right

Then we find Joseph the son of Jacob
Was rescued by a the descendants of Ishmeal 🤔

Then the Jewish midianites where destroyed in battle by Isreal , wonder if they should have been. But maybe they where never completely destroyed.

So there you have the answer which seems to be the more inherent with the word of God. That the great nation was the midianites whom God used to rescue Joseph from all his brothers .

All his brothers as you know would go to be the the twelve tribes of Isreal.

But many where not walking in true faith.



Seems the midianites where tho 😊

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.

further more Cameron did you know that the descendants of Ishmeal mixed with the descendants of Esau ?

 

[10-22-27]

I think you have read out of the king James version but haven't fully grasped quite a few verses. If you had you would have not added your insertion on discrimination towards Ishmael, what part of scripture about Ishmael says because his mother was a bond woman as you put it, the nation that arises from him will be Islam.

Your quote is far worse than any Islamist I've ever talked too.

Is this all of the Isreal family view point.

Do you speak for the entire Isreal family here ?.

Forgive me, I was an Arts major, and my math needs help...
But wouldn't 490 years after a 456BC starting point be 34AD?

No, it's 483 years after 456, seven years remain. = 27 A.D., the year Jesus was baptized by John.

 

[Cameron143]

are you favoring the promise given to isic more than Ishmeal because you believe the birth was a super natural birth Sarah had

There's no evidence the birth was on the same grounds as Jesus, I sense it was a natural birth not super natural.

Sarah's womb was dead. She was 90. It wasn't humanly possible for her to bear a child. It was a supernatural birth.
And I'm trying to point out a pattern for you in scripture. History is under divine control. It is following a divine plan and timetable. And the central figure in history is Jesus. The Bible, therefore, is about Christ, and everything written relates to Him in some way.
In Genesis 3, God makes a promise of a future seed. Every OT story relates some aspect of this. The history of Abraham and his progeny are a part of this. The different circumstances of the lives of Isaac and Ishmael teach much about this. That's what I have been trying to show you.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

No, it's 483 years after 456, seven years remain. = 27 A.D., the year Jesus was baptized by John.

interesting how you haven't answered any of posts which proves all of Ishmeal descendants today as you put it are not all islam.

Neither have you answered whether your hypothetical date has substance.

Seeing as you can teach me stuff which I have took as something that could be possible given your age.

Why is it you haven't answered 🤔

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sarah's womb was dead. She was 90. It wasn't humanly possible for her to bear a child. It was a supernatural birth.
And I'm trying to point out a pattern for you in scripture. History is under divine control. It is following a divine plan and timetable. And the central figure in history is Jesus. The Bible, therefore, is about Christ, and everything written relates to Him in some way.
In Genesis 3, God makes a promise of a future seed. Every OT story relates some aspect of this. The history of Abraham and his progeny are a part of this. The different circumstances of the lives of Isaac and Ishmael teach much about this. That's what I have been trying to show you.

when you say supernatural are you saying the father was not truly abraham 🤔

 

[Cameron143]

Joking aside now dont you find it funny that the Midianites, who where known as the true Ishmaelites, where the ones who rescued Joseph and took him to Egypt after his brother's sold him ?.

So there we have Ishmeal sent on his way by a jealous Sarah stealing Ishmeal of his birth right. Don't forget it's was Sarah's idea in the first place to let hagar have a son to Abraham

Then we have Esau and Jacob born to Sarah son isac stealing each others birth right

Then we find Joseph the son of Jacob
Was rescued by a the descendants of Ishmeal 🤔

Then the Jewish midianites where destroyed in battle by Isreal , wonder if they should have been. But maybe they where never completely destroyed.

So there you have the answer which seems to be the more inherent with the word of God. That the great nation was the midianites whom God used to rescue Joseph from all his brothers .

All his brothers as you know would go to be the the twelve tribes of Isreal.

But many where not walking in true faith.



Seems the midianites where tho 😊

Those stories all deal with the sovereignty of God in the choices He makes. Who causes one to differ from another? Did God not declare that the elder shall serve the younger? Wasn't David the least in his father's house? Wasn't Joseph bowed to by his brethren? Wasn't Jesus God's choice to be the author of salvation?
All God's choices.

 

[Cameron143]

when you say supernatural are you saying the father was not truly abraham 🤔

No. It means what was impossible by human means was enabled by God. The laws of nature were superceded, as with any miracle.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Those stories all deal with the sovereignty of God in the choices He makes. Who causes one to differ from another? Did God not declare that the elder shall serve the younger? Wasn't David the least in his father's house? Wasn't Joseph bowed to by his brethren? Wasn't Jesus God's choice to be the author of salvation?
All God's choices.

I thought you may have seen a pattern emerging of God using Ishmaels descendants to rescue people. In situations where honour was being neglected.



All I can say is it's a good job I know my history I could have been labeled as Muslim again 😁

 

[Cameron143]

I thought you may have seen a pattern emerging of God using Ishmaels descendants to rescue people. In situations where where honour was being neglected.



All I can say is it's a good job I know my history I could have been labeled as Muslim again 😁

It's a very telling statement that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and not Abraham, Ishmael, and Esau. Why do you suppose that is?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

No. It means what was impossible by human means was enabled by God. The laws of nature were superceded, as with any miracle.

I wonder if you see the promise of God using Ishmaels descendants to avenge the Dishonored

It's a very telling statement that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and not Abraham, Ishmael, and Esau. Why do you suppose that is?

you do know that God was with Ishmeal as he grew up I take it

God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

 

[Cameron143]

I wonder if you see the promise of God using Ishmaels descendants to avenge the Dishonored
you do know that God was with Ishmeal as he grew up I take it

God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

God preserved his life.
I'm not sure you understand the big picture. If Ishmael was the line through which God was going to accomplish His purposes, the history recorded in the Bible would reflect this. Instead, he is juxtaposed with Isaac deliberately by God to reveal the difference between the line of promise and what is characteristic of the 2 lines of humanity...spiritual verses natural.
A good example of this was just mentioned by @ZNP. Ishmael was born of a bondwoman. He is not an heir.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

God preserved his life.
I'm not sure you understand the big picture. If Ishmael was the line through which God was going to accomplish His purposes, the history recorded in the Bible would reflect this. Instead, he is juxtaposed with Isaac deliberately by God to reveal the difference between the line of promise and what is characteristic of the 2 lines of humanity...spiritual verses natural.
A good example of this was just mentioned by @ZNP. Ishmael was born of a bondwoman. He is not an heir.

your reasoning your own assertions with how I must be seeing things, if you can't see that God being with a boy as he grows up as more than just preserving his life, then I am done with this.

Where talking about the father being close to boy on a Daily basis here, not just some preserved boy.

You total twit

 

[Cameron143]

your reasoning your own assertions with how I must be seeing things, if you can't see that God being with a boy as he grows up as more than just preserving his life, then I am done with this.

Where talking about the father being close to boy on a Daily basis here, not just some preserved boy.

You total twit

Sorry you feel that way. Grace and peace.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sorry you feel that way. Grace and peace.

thunder mental has officially gone mental and won't be replying for quite some time.

 

[wolfwint]

I wonder if you see the promise of God using Ishmaels descendants to avenge the Dishonored
you do know that God was with Ishmeal as he grew up I take it

God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer.

You are very fixed on Ishmael. Why?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sorry you feel that way. Grace and peace.

only because this is you I will accept this peace offering. Watch me totally ignore other posters here.
Please stay well clear from there abuse