The Commandments of God (according to scripture)
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Those who remain under the law are judged by the law. Those who are in Christ aren't under condemnation. They aren't under the law. They are dead to the law. The law holds no sway upon them. It is powerless because they have already passed from death to life. Only those under the law are affected by the law, in terms of eternal judgment.
Temporally, failure to keep commandments will result in chastening. Sometimes that can look like judgment.
Temporally, failure to keep commandments will result in chastening. Sometimes that can look like judgment.
I already provided context to this through scripture, we are all judged the same way James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 and the only ones who are "not under the law" are those who are sinless because they are keeping the law. Strange professed Christians argue with the very teachings of Jesus Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15, Exo 20:6 etc. etc.
No point in going over again, all will get sorted out soon enough.
No point in going over again, all will get sorted out soon enough.
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So weird where we are right now, just as predicted in scripture 2 Timothy 3:2-9
We judge ourselves - not Christ
We determine if we are saved- not Christ
We determine the laws we want to keep- not Christ
What's the point of scripture if we dismiss 90% of it.
Basically someone is teaching the majority that we are our own god. We can save ourselves, we can sanctify ourselves we do not need to follow what Jesus teaches, just believe and all will be saved.
We judge ourselves - not Christ
We determine if we are saved- not Christ
We determine the laws we want to keep- not Christ
What's the point of scripture if we dismiss 90% of it.
Basically someone is teaching the majority that we are our own god. We can save ourselves, we can sanctify ourselves we do not need to follow what Jesus teaches, just believe and all will be saved.
I believe when we confess and repent from our sins Jesus cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 I believe when Jesus healed He said go and sin no more, not go and sin less. I believe Jesus gives us the power to overcome sin and believe His power is greater than the devil to keep us from sin than the devil is to keep us in sin. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not saved in sin. Which is why God does have a people who overcome through faith. Rev 14:12 and are reconciled Rev 22:14
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Not according to scripture which is where I place my trust over man's teachings.
We do not determine ourselves if we are under the law or not and the law is for sinners as Paul clearly states and unless one is keeping the law at all times perfectly and are sinless, the law is for everyone.
Jesus died for our sins, which is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4, so your teaching here has no biblical merit, and I don't think you're interested in understanding scripture- you said it yourself, do go past John 3:16 and we can ignore the conditions. I choose to believe in all of God's Word because He promises it to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 back to reconciliation Rev 22:14.
I would hate to miss some of the conditions because I was only interested in the blessings, and missed out how to receive those blessing after its too late and not learn how to be a servant to the Lord thy God i.e. submit to His will.
I'll leave it as agree to disagree.
We do not determine ourselves if we are under the law or not and the law is for sinners as Paul clearly states and unless one is keeping the law at all times perfectly and are sinless, the law is for everyone.
Jesus died for our sins, which is the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4, so your teaching here has no biblical merit, and I don't think you're interested in understanding scripture- you said it yourself, do go past John 3:16 and we can ignore the conditions. I choose to believe in all of God's Word because He promises it to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 back to reconciliation Rev 22:14.
I would hate to miss some of the conditions because I was only interested in the blessings, and missed out how to receive those blessing after its too late and not learn how to be a servant to the Lord thy God i.e. submit to His will.
I'll leave it as agree to disagree.
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You aren't even being truthful. You quoted my post and wrote it. It is reflective of what you believe I was doing.
I'm not bothered by your accusation. In the past couple of days I've received a "wow" response, indicating condescendingly that I don't have a clue, and been called a twit. But it is interesting that one who holds so tightly to the law would be so flippant with it. But there was a point I was trying to get you to see by asking questions. You believe your sins are forgiven when you confess them. How is that made possible? God has promised to bring death for every single transgression of the law. You should die. Why don't you? Because you confess?
No. You don't die because God has accepted Jesus' sacrifice and done away with your sins. He remembers them no more. Neither will any future sins result in your death, for the same reason. The law no longer holds the power to condemn you. You are no longer under it. This is Paul's argument...who shall lay any charge to God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who can hold someone accountable who God says isn't condemned?
He who believes on Christ is not under condemnation. Neither are they under the law. Those who relate to God on the basis of the law remain under the law, and will be judged according to it.
I'm not bothered by your accusation. In the past couple of days I've received a "wow" response, indicating condescendingly that I don't have a clue, and been called a twit. But it is interesting that one who holds so tightly to the law would be so flippant with it. But there was a point I was trying to get you to see by asking questions. You believe your sins are forgiven when you confess them. How is that made possible? God has promised to bring death for every single transgression of the law. You should die. Why don't you? Because you confess?
No. You don't die because God has accepted Jesus' sacrifice and done away with your sins. He remembers them no more. Neither will any future sins result in your death, for the same reason. The law no longer holds the power to condemn you. You are no longer under it. This is Paul's argument...who shall lay any charge to God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who can hold someone accountable who God says isn't condemned?
He who believes on Christ is not under condemnation. Neither are they under the law. Those who relate to God on the basis of the law remain under the law, and will be judged according to it.
Please explain in more detail with scripture.
Remember that Jesus gives us righteousness (justification as a gift) which is perfection (Jesus's obedience to the law). Sin is the transgression of the law.
We are freed from the law because Jesus has paid the price for our sins.... the law can't demand our eternal death.
Free from the guilt, free from the penalty, free from death.... But you are saying we are free to continue breaking the law.
Jesus said to repent.
Stop sinning.
Answer this please....
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? ........
God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Remember that Jesus gives us righteousness (justification as a gift) which is perfection (Jesus's obedience to the law). Sin is the transgression of the law.
We are freed from the law because Jesus has paid the price for our sins.... the law can't demand our eternal death.
Free from the guilt, free from the penalty, free from death.... But you are saying we are free to continue breaking the law.
Jesus said to repent.
Stop sinning.
Answer this please....
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? ........
God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Mat 7: 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The devil believes in Jesus.....
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
The devil believes in Jesus.....
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I'm never advocating for sin. I understand where the question comes from, but my answer is the same as Paul...God forbid. Jesus has set us free from sin. Our liberty should never be an occasion for sin.
But we both die with Christ and are raised in Him. Having been justified by God, there is simply nothing left that is able to condemn us. We are as the woman caught in adultery. All our accusers are gone and God Himself does not condemn us. But like her, we are not to continue in sin.
As far as forgiveness goes, God is free to forgive anyone He likes. He is, after all, sovereign. But He is also just. And His justice demands satisfaction of His wrath for sin. That's where Jesus comes in. He allows God to remain just and also justify us. So while we are forgiven as we confess, we are not forgiven because we confess. We are forgiven because God's anger over our sins has been assuaged.
But we both die with Christ and are raised in Him. Having been justified by God, there is simply nothing left that is able to condemn us. We are as the woman caught in adultery. All our accusers are gone and God Himself does not condemn us. But like her, we are not to continue in sin.
As far as forgiveness goes, God is free to forgive anyone He likes. He is, after all, sovereign. But He is also just. And His justice demands satisfaction of His wrath for sin. That's where Jesus comes in. He allows God to remain just and also justify us. So while we are forgiven as we confess, we are not forgiven because we confess. We are forgiven because God's anger over our sins has been assuaged.
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