The Commandments of God (according to scripture)
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I didn't say anything about pretending to know what God thinks. I didn't say that they were not useful today. The Israelites were were given a number of laws while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years, so it was useful for them to have those laws, but they couldn't follow them until the condition that they had entered the land was met. Those laws still had meaning that could be understood even when they couldn't be followed.
I showed how you did, so your objections falls flat when you refuse to acknowledge what I said.
You are engaging in handwaving, with again falls flat when you refuse to acknowledge what I said.
Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, if that is what makes someone a false teacher, then you are saying that he was a false teacher.
In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts. I am not lying, but rather I am basing my position on the truth of this verse. So do you affirm or deny the truth of this verse?
Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that someone is not under the Mosaic Law is the position that they do not need salvation.
For example:
Exodus 12:25 And when you come to the land that the Lord will give you, as he has promised, you shall keep this service.
Exodus 13:11-12 “When the Lord brings you into the land of the Canaanites, as he swore to you and your fathers, and shall give it to you,12 you shall set apart to the Lord all that first opens the womb. All the firstborn of your animals that are males shall be the Lord's.
Leviticus 14:34 “When you come into the land of Canaan, which I give you for a possession, and I put a case of leprous disease in a house in the land of your possession,
Leviticus 19:9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest.
Leviticus 19:23 “When you come into the land and plant any kind of tree for food, then you shall regard its fruit as forbidden. Three years it shall be forbidden to you; it must not be eaten.
Leviticus 23:10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, youshall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest,
Leviticus 25:2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When youcome into the land that I give you, the land shall keep a Sabbath to the Lord.
Exodus 12:25 And when you come to the land that the Lord will give you, as he has promised, you shall keep this service.
Exodus 13:11-12 “When the Lord brings you into the land of the Canaanites, as he swore to you and your fathers, and shall give it to you,12 you shall set apart to the Lord all that first opens the womb. All the firstborn of your animals that are males shall be the Lord's.
Leviticus 14:34 “When you come into the land of Canaan, which I give you for a possession, and I put a case of leprous disease in a house in the land of your possession,
Leviticus 19:9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest.
Leviticus 19:23 “When you come into the land and plant any kind of tree for food, then you shall regard its fruit as forbidden. Three years it shall be forbidden to you; it must not be eaten.
Leviticus 23:10 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, youshall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest,
Leviticus 25:2 “Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When youcome into the land that I give you, the land shall keep a Sabbath to the Lord.
More of your false accusations. Do you not tire of breaking the law you say we must keep? Interjecting your endless opinions on what Scripture means does not make what you say Biblical. LOL @ Jeremiah 31:33 meaning the 613 would be written on our hearts. It does not say that at all, nor does it mean that. It is just more of you violating the standard you wish others held to. Read the preceeding verse!
It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers ... a covenant they broke.
You make things up, express it as your opinion, and want us to think it is Biblical when it is not.
You are a false teacher.
It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers ... a covenant they broke.
You make things up, express it as your opinion, and want us to think it is Biblical when it is not.
You are a false teacher.
In regard to the debate between the house of Hillel and the house of Shammai, Jesus was virtually in complete agreement with Hillel, so the Talmud teaches many things that are the same or similar to what Jesus taught. It is contains things that would fit right at home in the Proverbs and many interpretations of the Torah that most Christians would have no problems agreeing with without needing to recognize it as being authoritative. The Talmud contains a flow of thought with many differing views and with some harsh words used towards the view of other views expressed in the it on par with what Jesus said of the Pharisees, so there not a universal way to follow the Talmud that everyone agrees with. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives the basis for the Talmud, and in Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus said that the Pharisees sit in the Seat of Moses, so do and observe all that they tell you, so he recognized that they had this authority.
More hand waving. It is certainly possible that I have misunderstood verses that I've cited, so if you think that I have, then I invite you to explain why and what the correct understanding is, but if you simply insist that I am wrong without explaining why, then you fail to establish your position. I keep the law, but even if I did not, it wouldn't change the fact that followers of God ought to keep His law.
Indeed, there are ways that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, though Jeremiah 31:33 says that the the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so following the Torah is not one of the ways that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant.
I use Scripture to show how I have derived my position, so I am not making things up. We all have opinions about how Scripture should be understood, so saying that something is my opinion is not a counterargument. If you think that I've misunderstood Scripture, then make the case for us, but simply denying that is is biblical or calling me a false teacher without making the case for it does not demonstrate that to be the case. It remains that the Mosaic Law is truth (Palms 119:142), Jesus embodied that truth (John 14:6), and you are opposed to that truth, so you are the false teacher.
Indeed, there are ways that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, though Jeremiah 31:33 says that the the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so following the Torah is not one of the ways that the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant.
I use Scripture to show how I have derived my position, so I am not making things up. We all have opinions about how Scripture should be understood, so saying that something is my opinion is not a counterargument. If you think that I've misunderstood Scripture, then make the case for us, but simply denying that is is biblical or calling me a false teacher without making the case for it does not demonstrate that to be the case. It remains that the Mosaic Law is truth (Palms 119:142), Jesus embodied that truth (John 14:6), and you are opposed to that truth, so you are the false teacher.
You neglected to give a reason why it is no logic at all. There is no meaning in saying that God is faithful without there being anything that defines what is or is not faithful, so it order for God to be eternally faithful, faithfulness must also exist. God's nature is eternal, so if something is an aspect of God's nature, then it is eternal, which is perfectly logical. Sin will cease in heaven in the sense that no one will be committing adultery for example, but not in the sense that it is no longer a sin to commit adultery. If it were to ever change such that committing adultery was no longer contrary to God's nature, then that would mean that God's nature has changed and is therefore not eternal.
I'm not arguing that adultery isn't a sin. I'm saying sin isn't eternal.
I'd further posit that your obsession with the law doesn't help people overcome sin, but leads others deeper into it. That's because, according to Romans 7, the knowledge of sin works within sinful flesh a desire to perform that sin.
If you are really interested in helping people, you will point them to Matthew 6:33...seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness...Practically speaking, that is tantamount to walking in the Spirit. According to Galatians 5:16, this is what allows us not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
So if your desire is truly to help others live lives free of sin, you will alter your behavior.
I'd further posit that your obsession with the law doesn't help people overcome sin, but leads others deeper into it. That's because, according to Romans 7, the knowledge of sin works within sinful flesh a desire to perform that sin.
If you are really interested in helping people, you will point them to Matthew 6:33...seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness...Practically speaking, that is tantamount to walking in the Spirit. According to Galatians 5:16, this is what allows us not to fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
So if your desire is truly to help others live lives free of sin, you will alter your behavior.
In Proverbs 3:5-7, we have a choice of whether we are going to lean on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or western we are going trust in God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through obeying His instructions in all of our ways and He will make our way straight, and this is what it means to be declared righteous by faith. So when someone does what is righteous in obedience to God's instructions, then the significance of their action is not that it is part of what they are required to do first in order to become righteous, but rather the significance is that they are expressing faith and it is by that faith that they are declared righteous.
In Habakkuk 2, it contrasts the righteous who are living by faith with those who are not living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to God. Likewise, in 1 John 3:7, whoever does what is righteous is righteous even as they are righteous. It is is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not in His instructions.
No, in Deuteronomy 30:11-20 it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Moreover, Romans 10:5-10 references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim and there are many other verses that repeatedly say that obedience to God's law is the way to be blessed while refusing to obey it is the way to be cursed. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it, and those who deny that we are obligated to obey the Mosaic Law are denying that they need salvation from transgressing it.
The Mosaic Law is the way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he is the embodiment of the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father (John 14:6-7). Us embodying God's word through following the example of the one who is the embodiment of God's word is not a different way to the Father, but rather that is the way to the Father.
In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so obedience to God's law is the content of His gift of eternal life, yet you are interpreting Romans 7:4 as saying we need to die to God's law, which would be rejecting His gift of eternal life. Moreover, in Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey God's law, so there is nothing that builds to the point in 7:4 that in the same way we have been set free from God's law. God's word is His instructions for how to be joined with God's word made flesh, so it would be absurd to think that we need to die to God's word in order to do that, but rather we need to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying God's law, namely the law of sin. Likewise, God's law is His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, so it would be absurd to interpret that as saying that we need to die to God's instructions for how to bear fruit for Him in order to be free to bear fruit for him, but rather, we would need to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying those instructions, which again is the law of sin.
We can't trust God's word made flesh by refusing to follow God's word, but rather that is the way to refuse to trust him.
In Habakkuk 2, it contrasts the righteous who are living by faith with those who are not living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Mosaic Law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to God. Likewise, in 1 John 3:7, whoever does what is righteous is righteous even as they are righteous. It is is contradictory to think that we should have faith in God, but not in His instructions.
No, in Deuteronomy 30:11-20 it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Moreover, Romans 10:5-10 references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim and there are many other verses that repeatedly say that obedience to God's law is the way to be blessed while refusing to obey it is the way to be cursed. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it, and those who deny that we are obligated to obey the Mosaic Law are denying that they need salvation from transgressing it.
The Mosaic Law is the way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he is the embodiment of the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father (John 14:6-7). Us embodying God's word through following the example of the one who is the embodiment of God's word is not a different way to the Father, but rather that is the way to the Father.
In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so obedience to God's law is the content of His gift of eternal life, yet you are interpreting Romans 7:4 as saying we need to die to God's law, which would be rejecting His gift of eternal life. Moreover, in Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey God's law, so there is nothing that builds to the point in 7:4 that in the same way we have been set free from God's law. God's word is His instructions for how to be joined with God's word made flesh, so it would be absurd to think that we need to die to God's word in order to do that, but rather we need to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying God's law, namely the law of sin. Likewise, God's law is His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, so it would be absurd to interpret that as saying that we need to die to God's instructions for how to bear fruit for Him in order to be free to bear fruit for him, but rather, we would need to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying those instructions, which again is the law of sin.
We can't trust God's word made flesh by refusing to follow God's word, but rather that is the way to refuse to trust him.
How does it make sense to you to think that God nature is eternal while the way to act in accordance or contrary to His nature is not?
In Romans 7, Paul said that the Law of God, that he wanted to do good, and that he delighted in obeying it, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which was holding him captive and causing him not to do the good of obeying the Law of God that he wanted to do. In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, in Romans 7:5, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56. In Romans 7:22, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, so another good indicators that a verse is not referring to the Law of God is if it would be absurd if Paul delighted in doing it, such as if he delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so Romans 7:5 can't be referring to the Law of God, but rather it is the law of sin that does that.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is the way to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, which is also the way to walk in the Spirit. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have m ends set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. In Galatians 5:16-18, Paul spoke about the desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which is how he described his struggle with the law of sin, so we are not under the law of sin when we are led by the Spirit. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. The way to help others live free of sin is by leading people to repent from their disobedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.
In Romans 7, Paul said that the Law of God, that he wanted to do good, and that he delighted in obeying it, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which was holding him captive and causing him not to do the good of obeying the Law of God that he wanted to do. In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, in Romans 7:5, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56. In Romans 7:22, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, so another good indicators that a verse is not referring to the Law of God is if it would be absurd if Paul delighted in doing it, such as if he delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so Romans 7:5 can't be referring to the Law of God, but rather it is the law of sin that does that.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is the way to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, which is also the way to walk in the Spirit. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Mosaic Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have m ends set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law. In Galatians 5:16-18, Paul spoke about the desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which is how he described his struggle with the law of sin, so we are not under the law of sin when we are led by the Spirit. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. The way to help others live free of sin is by leading people to repent from their disobedience to the Mosaic Law in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom.
what i said is what scripture says.
Galatians 3:10-12
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written,
"Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for
"the just shall live by faith."
Yet the law is not of faith, but
"the man who does them shall live by them."
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