Do you worry about Election interference

[Eli1]

I do believe history is under divine control and following a divine plan and timetable. Personally, I can worship whether olives are on the branches and horses are in the stalls or not. But there is alot more human suffering with the latter. I was under the impression that human suffering was a concern to you.
And the reason history repeats itself is because men in want cry out to God. God, who is merciful, condescends to men and draws near and brings great blessing. But men who have provision forget the kindness and goodness of God. Eventually, a generation will arise that knows not the Lord. They don't walk in His ways and lose His presence and blessing. In time, things will get bad enough for men to cry out to the Lord again.
We seem to be in a time when things are becoming progressively worse. Good time for prayer and revival.

Human suffering is a huge problem and human suffering is not something that you can politicize, i hope you understand this some day. Trump or no man has the capability to do anything about human suffering.
So, the only thing you can do about human suffering is try to sacrifice your personal time or money to minimize suffering on a one-to-one scale. That's the only thing you can do about that. No politics are going to fix human suffering on a large scale.
I think USA and Europe are pretty good at minimizing human suffering so i appreciate that, but it can never be perfect.

And the cycle that you mentioned where people will cry to God in large numbers is something that has repeated itself many times.

The perfection that we may both want is impossible in this fallen condition. Even at work people cannot do simple tasks and there are no consequences or accountability. So things always have to get to a tipping point before people do something. This is why history repeats itself.

The French revolution began with the mix of overtaxed population (increased day to day suffering with food etc) and an out-of-touch monarchy. So that was the tipping point.

So try to see things on a larger scale before you say Trump vs Biden.

 

[ZNP]

Definition of worry -- a state of anxiety and uncertainty over actual or potential problems.

Eli1 is playing on the verse "be anxious in nothing". But most of us on this thread are understanding this not as "anxiety" but "uncertainty". We see a potential problem of election fraud and we are uncertain as to whether or not this will take place in 2024.

 

[Eli1]

Definition of worry -- a state of anxiety and uncertainty over actual or potential problems.

Eli1 is playing on the verse "be anxious in nothing". But most of us on this thread are understanding this not as "anxiety" but "uncertainty". We see a potential problem of election fraud and we are uncertain as to whether or not this will take place in 2024.

And this is why this is fun because again, nothing changes on our daily lives. Suppose fraud happened. In fact, i'm going to say it happened for the sake of argument.
How did this change your daily life?

USA is not a dictatorship and there are thousands of checks and balances here so you can't have one guy sealing elections and have martial law the next day.

 

[ZNP]

And this is why this is fun because again, nothing changes on our daily lives. Suppose fraud happened. In fact, i'm going to say it happened for the sake of argument.
How did this change your daily life?

USA is not a dictatorship and there are thousands of checks and balances here so you can't have one guy sealing elections and have martial law the next day.

I use these things to get people to repent, some have put their faith in government, or in their party, or in whatever.

I am not anxious over the economy about to collapse, but I use this to get people to repent for putting their trust in riches.

I am not anxious over WW3, but again I use this to get people to repent and put their trust in Jesus, knowing that there is salvation in no other name.

 

[Cameron143]

Human suffering is a huge problem and human suffering is not something that you can politicize, i hope you understand this some day. Trump or no man has the capability to do anything about human suffering.
So, the only thing you can do about human suffering is try to sacrifice your personal time or money to minimize suffering on a one-to-one scale. That's the only thing you can do about that. No politics are going to fix human suffering on a large scale.
I think USA and Europe are pretty good at minimizing human suffering so i appreciate that, but it can never be perfect.

And the cycle that you mentioned where people will cry to God in large numbers is something that has repeated itself many times.

The perfection that we may both want is impossible in this fallen condition. Even at work people cannot do simple tasks and there are no consequences or accountability. So things always have to get to a tipping point before people do something. This is why history repeats itself.

The French revolution began with the mix of overtaxed population (increased day to day suffering with food etc) and an out-of-touch monarchy. So that was the tipping point.

So try to see things on a larger scale before you say Trump vs Biden.

Trump verses Biden, or any Democrat, is an easy choice. And I don't need perfection to try to do the best possible in the here and now.
The answer in the present is the same as the answer in the future...Jesus. He remains the hope of earth and joy of heaven. There is no solution that doesn't recognize the failure of men before God. There is no politician who will fix anything apart from divine aid. And poor leadership is always a judgment of God. Even given all this, I'll let you hang ten and I'll try to make things better for whoever I can.

 

[gb9]

Trump verses Biden, or any Democrat, is an easy choice. And I don't need perfection to try to do the best possible in the here and now.
The answer in the present is the same as the answer in the future...Jesus. He remains the hope of earth and joy of heaven. There is no solution that doesn't recognize the failure of men before God. There is no politician who will fix anything apart from divine aid. And poor leadership is always a judgment of God. Even given all this, I'll let you hang ten and I'll try to make things better for whoever I can.

so many Christians get caught up with this or that politician , thinking that " if we just get the right person into office"

only Jesus will " fix things" when he returns....

 

[Cameron143]

so many Christians get caught up with this or that politician , thinking that " if we just get the right person into office"

only Jesus will " fix things" when he returns....

I imagine if Ninevah could repent and God was gracious enough to spare them, this option would still move the heart of God today.

 

[ZNP]

I imagine if Ninevah could repent and God was gracious enough to spare them, this option would still move the heart of God today.

Tell that to Nahum

 

[Cameron143]

Tell that to Nahum

I'd rather tell it to Jonah.

 

[ZNP]

I'd rather tell it to Jonah.

LOL, of course, they repented at the time of Jonah, but that was not a lasting repentance and that is why Nahum records the destruction of Nineveh.

 

[Cameron143]

LOL, of course, they repented at the time of Jonah, but that was not a lasting repentance and that is why Nahum records the destruction of Nineveh.

And such is the cycle of sin. Men will either recognize their offense before God and live or continue to go their own way to their destruction.
We could really use a time of refreshing from the presence of the Lord. Oh that men everywhere would fall on their faces before the Almighty and that He might be disposed to mercy.

 

[ZNP]

SHOCKING Poll: 20% of 2020 Voters ADMIT Committing Fraud | 'Most Secure Election?'

The worst part is this was the most secure election in US history!

 

[Susanna]

SHOCKING Poll: 20% of 2020 Voters ADMIT Committing Fraud | 'Most Secure Election?'

The worst part is this was the most secure election in US history!

So you’re saying that if 30% of the voters had committed fraud Trump would have won? Better luck come 2024😊

 

[ZNP]

So you’re saying that if 30% of the voters had committed fraud Trump would have won? Better luck come 2024😊

What I said was "the worst part of this is that this was "the most secure election in US history".

Everything else was simply news concerning election fraud that has been exposed and was taking place all over the country.

The reason I have made these words bigger is I figure that is why you had a hard time reading them the first time.

 

[Susanna]

What I said was "the worst part of this is that this was "the most secure election in US history".

Everything else was simply news concerning election fraud that has been exposed and was taking place all over the country.

The reason I have made these words bigger is I figure that is why you had a hard time reading them the first time.

How convenient. The next time I’m giving rhetoric lessons I will quote you, Mr ZNP.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

We have seen many claiming many things about this issue, what do you think?

With what they pulled yesterday, yeah. I'm more worried today than the last election. I believe more today that it was stolen, and that they will do it again.

 

[ZNP]

How convenient. The next time I’m giving rhetoric lessons I will quote you, Mr ZNP.

You're wecome

 

[Stan_the_Man]

If we had fair and free elections then election interference might be a thing

 

[Stan_the_Man]

With what they pulled yesterday

What did they pull yesterday? (Dec 19th, 2022)

I went to see an Air Show that day and I didn't see nothing!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What did they pull yesterday? (Dec 19th, 2022)

I went to see an Air Show that day and I didn't see nothing!

Umm, not sure lol. Had family all weekend, I'm fried. Maybe taking Trump off the ballot.