The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

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The commandment is much more than this. And you only answered part of one of my questions. I didn't ask the questions because I didn't know the answer. I asked the question to show people they don't even keep the most rudimentary of commandments. The commandments are a teacher. They are designed to show us our utter inability to keep them, and to look for another way to get to God. Viola...perhaps Christ. Good choice. Otherwise, God will not hold you guiltless for all the times you did take His name in vain.
Better to just share Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The Holy Spirit knows how to lead people into righteousness. You can convince people all day to follow the law. It won't lead them into righteousness. It will only lead them into self-righteousness.
You might want to remove the heart feedback because obviously you didn't mean it.

I gave an overview of this commandment, not every detail, but by all means please share how we are to keep this commandment in your view.
 
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The commandment is much more than this. And you only answered part of one of my questions. I didn't ask the questions because I didn't know the answer. I asked the question to show people they don't even keep the most rudimentary of commandments. The commandments are a teacher. They are designed to show us our utter inability to keep them, and to look for another way to get to God. Viola...perhaps Christ. Good choice. Otherwise, God will not hold you guiltless for all the times you did take His name in vain.
Better to just share Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The Holy Spirit knows how to lead people into righteousness. You can convince people all day to follow the law. It won't lead them into righteousness. It will only lead them into self-righteousness.
Well I prefer what scripture actually says....

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin (breaking God's law) leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then
your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Also what does Jesus tell us to do?

Matthew 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So you're wrong about God's law not being righteous. When we depend on our own self-law like we pick and choose which commandments we keep, that is being self-righteous depending on our own righteousness instead of God's righteousness. God's character is in His holy law, you remove His law, we are removing His character and we are to take on His image/character.

We are not made righteous by keeping the law which means one could save themselves, obeying God and keeping God's law leads to righteousness- because we are trusting in God on how one should live holy and righteous lives and not our own version of it.

We are told to be doer of His Word- not just hearers James 1:22 God would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. This is the promise of Jesus, I believe Him at His Word. John 14:15-18 Heb 8:10
 

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Blessings as always brother. I appreciate you sharing as you do. But I'm not looking for an explanation of the commandments. There are a number of excellent sources to explain the commandments.
Neither is my purpose to suggest that the commandments are grievous. But grievous doesn't mean difficult; it means painful or burdensome. As Christians, we delight in the law of the Lord. We are yoked to Jesus. Our burden is light. This is why they aren't grievous.
My intention is to show that regardless of our responsibility to obey, we don't possess in and of ourselves the ability to do so. It isn't because our heart's desire isn't right. It is because of the weakness of our flesh. We can purpose all we like, but we alone will fail. That's why giving the law greater preeminence than Christ is so dangerous. People try to keep the commandments independently of Jesus.
Did you ever wonder why God used to walk each day in the garden with Adam and Eve? It wasn't for God's sake. It was for their good. Most Christians understand that we all come into this world spiritually broken. But this isn't the extent of human weakness. We were not created to live independently of God. Psalm 23:1 didn't just become true when it was written. We were created to glorify God. God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. And it is as He shepherds us that we are satisfied in Him.
It's never wrong to promote obedience. But to lead someone to believe it is possible apart from Christ doesn't promote dependence, but independence. And apart from Christ we can do nothing.
Cameron, it is not by responsibility we obey the commandments, but we obey because we do want to, because we love Christ, we love GOD who sent him. there is a huge difference. It is not I obey because I do not want to be punished. We obey to please the lord who is just and true, his words are just and true. Remember what Jesus said, He is with us, do you feel his presence? I do.

Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Blessings
 

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Cameron, it is not by responsibility we obey the commandments, but we obey because we do want to, because we love Christ, we love GOD who sent him. there is a huge difference. It is not I obey because I do not want to be punished. We obey to please the lord who is just and true, his words are just and true. Remember what Jesus said, He is with us, do you feel his presence? I do.

Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Blessings
Sure. This is certainly true and another aspect of why the commandments are not grievous. Duty without delight leads to drudgery. By highlighting the responsibility placed on us by the law, I was merely contrasting that with the freedom and unburdening of grace.
As Christians, we should all delight to do the will of the Father. But we were once slaves to the law, and a constant focus on the law rather than Christ has the effect of burdening younger Christians. Galatians 5:1...Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
This is the concern I have. We can easily speak of the great grace in Christ that we experience, and yet end up binding the consciences of others if we are not careful.
 
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Cameron, it is not by responsibility we obey the commandments, but we obey because we do want to, because we love Christ, we love GOD who sent him. there is a huge difference. It is not I obey because I do not want to be punished. We obey to please the lord who is just and true, his words are just and true. Remember what Jesus said, He is with us, do you feel his presence? I do.

Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Blessings
Amen friend.

Good point. We obey God because He asks, and we love Him. When He changes us from the inside out we want to do everything He asks of us because we trust Him and knows He is only asking because He knows what's best for us.

All the law does is point out our sins, its like a mirror so we can see we are dirty and need of cleaning. It points us to Jesus and through His blood He can cover us in His righteousness when we go to Him, sorry of our ways and ask Him to help change our direction.

God bless!
 
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Sure. This is certainly true and another aspect of why the commandments are not grievous. Duty without delight leads to drudgery. By highlighting the responsibility placed on us by the law, I was merely contrasting that with the freedom and unburdening of grace.
As Christians, we should all delight to do the will of the Father. But we were once slaves to the law, and a constant focus on the law rather than Christ has the effect of burdening younger Christians. Galatians 5:1...Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
This is the concern I have. We can easily speak of the great grace in Christ that we experience, and yet end up binding the consciences of others if we are not careful.

We are not a slave to the law- we are either slave to Christ or slaves to sin (breaking God's law). Romans 6 The law just shows us our sin, Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 that is its purpose, and it points us to Jesus for the solution when we break His law. 1 John 1:9 We obey His law through love and faith. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Romans 3:31 Keeping His law is the whole duty of man Ecc 12:13-14 and is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 because God wants us free of the bondage of sin and to be with Him without sin. Our salvation is from sin, not in sin Mat 1:21 Jesus wants to free us from the bondage of sin and He enable us to obey His commandments which is one who is without sin John 14:15-18, we just need to cooperate with Him and allow His Spirit to work in us which He will only lead us to obedience to Him out of rebellion Heb 3:7-8 and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
 
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I do not want to insult you in any way but I do not understand what you mean, the commandments are a simple short list of things to do or not to do. They are like a moral compass so you will nor forget, it is that simple, like you shall not kill etc...
if everyone followed these commandments, earth would be a good place to live peacefully. As you know very well Jesus said in John 14:15;
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

Jesus summarized them saying;

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



For me personally the hardest one to follow if the sabbath, no one in my entourage believes, they do not follow Saturday or even Sunday as a day of rest, or worship. I avoid doing any kind or regular work on Saturday, I stay quiet read and meditate on the bible that day. However if someone needs my help for something, on Saturday, out of love for them, I will go.

I certainly do not follow the commandments like the Jews and their millions of small details that they invented thinking it pleases GOD. GOD wants us to be loving to one another and have a pure heart. In this world, I admit is is a difficult task simply because of what the world has turned into at this time, what is wrong, people call right and what is right becomes wrong, the latest example would be the gender theory stating that there is more than 2 sexes...., transgender men can now participate in women's sports events and in general people accept this!
it is hard to keep away from all this madness without living in a cabin in the woods.

One thing I can tell you is that when I started to follow the commandments it changed me gradually, I am a better person for it and still I am changing, I think almost of the time of GOD and Jesus, they are always in my mind, The love I have for them is hard to describe. The more you try to please GOD by following his ways, the closer he will get to you, and reveals things to you, this is certain.

If you have specific questions do ask me I will reply if I can, always in complete honesty and it will be accompanied by proper scripture always. I am not part of any church or denomination simply because I could never find a church that follows GOD's word perfectly. What I follow is what is in the Bible and above all else Jesus's teachings that are simple to understand and so amazing, this is what I follow from the heart and by choice not by obligation.

I still have a lot to learn but what I know for certain I write here, what I do not know I would not discuss and will say so.

Blessings.
This is a great post! My experience has been very similar, once I started obeying His commandments and the Sabbath, it changed everything. My whole lifestyle had to change to accommodate the Sabbath and Jesus worked a miracle for me in order for me to be faithful to Him and His Sabbath commandment. Although it has been tough at times as not all my close family is on board, it has been such a blessing. I am forever grateful for His Sabbath; it is such a special blessing He wants to share with all of us.

You might find this video interesting. It's about a Sunday preacher who is preaching on the Sabbath and there was a study that showed a Sabbath-keeping group lived 11 years longer than the average person and he does some interesting math on it on how many Sabbaths that is. Sadly, he ruins it at the end and thinks he can apply God's blessing to the day of our choice, but its not how it works, we should always obey God they way He asks.

Anyway check out the video let me know your thoughts.

 

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You might want to remove the heart feedback because obviously you didn't mean it.

I gave an overview of this commandment, not every detail, but by all means please share how we are to keep this commandment in your view.
Could you explain what you mean by the heart feedback? Because I can assure you, I meant everything I wrote. You may not have understood my intention or meaning, but I meant exactly what I wrote. If by heart you mean emotional as opposed to biblical, feel free to point out my error with scripture.
And my purpose wasn't to give an exhaustive understanding of a particular commandment. My purpose was to show how extensive obedience actually is and the impossibility of keeping a singular commandment, let alone a list of them, apart from the Spirit.
 
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Could you explain what you mean by the heart feedback? Because I can assure you, I meant everything I wrote. You may not have understood my intention or meaning, but I meant exactly what I wrote. If by heart you mean emotional as opposed to biblical, feel free to point out my error with scripture.
And my purpose wasn't to give an exhaustive understanding of a particular commandment. My purpose was to show how extensive obedience actually is and the impossibility of keeping a singular commandment, let alone a list of them, apart from the Spirit.
Maybe I misunderstood your post and intention and if so, I apologize for that.

I will say that I disagree with you on not being able to obey God the way He asks. I do not believe Jesus asks us to do something, that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 but would not give us the power to overcome and to obey Him.

It's not what the scriptures teach. Jesus wants to free us of the bondage of sin He gives us His Spirit so we can obey Him John 14:15-18 what we can't do on our own, we can through Christ who strengthens us. Philippians 4:13

When we say we can't obey Him it is basically saying the devil has more power to keep us in sin, than Jesus does to keep us from sin. It's not what I believe, its not what the scriptures teach Mat 1:21, although it may not be easy, we are not alone, but Jesus wants us to take that narrow path and the decisions we make daily determine the path we are on. Romans 6:16. If one is having a hard time obeying His commandments pray for more love and faith to Him, I do this daily. Pray to ask Him to show us our sin and ask for His help in overcoming. We can overcome it is a promise in scripture.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
 

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Well I prefer what scripture actually says....

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin (breaking God's law) leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then
your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Also what does Jesus tell us to do?

Matthew 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So you're wrong about God's law not being righteous. When we depend on our own self-law like we pick and choose which commandments we keep, that is being self-righteous depending on our own righteousness instead of God's righteousness. God's character is in His holy law, you remove His law, we are removing His character and we are to take on His image/character.

We are not made righteous by keeping the law which means one could save themselves, obeying God and keeping God's law leads to righteousness- because we are trusting in God on how one should live holy and righteous lives and not our own version of it.

We are told to be doer of His Word- not just hearers James 1:22 God would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. This is the promise of Jesus, I believe Him at His Word. John 14:15-18 Heb 8:10
I never said God's law wasn't righteous. But by works of the law is no flesh justified. There is a righteousness that can be obtained through the law. Jesus attained it. But you never will. And it's because of the weakness of the flesh. Otherwise, no need for Jesus to come.
But when we are saved, we aren't suddenly endowed with an ability to keep the commandments. Rather, as Christ lives in us, He keeps the commandments through us. We cannot sin if we are walking in the Spirit because the Spirit cannot lead us into sin. When we sin, it is because we are not walking in the Spirit and are trying to obey in our own strength. So teaching obedience apart from teaching how it one is enabled to obey is fruitless. That's why one is to do and to teach. And this is why Jesus said to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do.
 
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I never said God's law wasn't righteous. But by works of the law is no flesh justified. There is a righteousness that can be obtained through the law. Jesus attained it. But you never will. And it's because of the weakness of the flesh. Otherwise, no need for Jesus to come.
But when we are saved, we aren't suddenly endowed with an ability to keep the commandments. Rather, as Christ lives in us, He keeps the commandments through us. We cannot sin if we are walking in the Spirit because the Spirit cannot lead us into sin. When we sin, it is because we are not walking in the Spirit and are trying to obey in our own strength. So teaching obedience apart from teaching how it one is enabled to obey is fruitless. That's why one is to do and to teach. And this is why Jesus said to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do.
I don't know if you read the scriptures or post you are replying to, but I agree we are not made righteous by the law- righteousness comes from Christ obeying Him and His commandments leads to righteousness, His righteousness Romans 6:16 Isa 48:18

Jesus never said "to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do."

Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they were teaching to keep their own rules over the commandment of God and Jesus said when doing this, ones heart is far from Him and one worships in vain. He called the Pharisees blind in this teaching and both teacher and student who follow this end up in a ditch. Mat 15 Mark 7

Jesus taught our righteousness needs to exceed the Pharisees otherwise we not make it in heaven either Mat 5:20 and we are not to break the least of God's commandments or teach others to break as we too can follow the path of the Pharisees (in a ditch) when listening to this teaching or we can follow the narrow path Jesus leads us on John 14:15 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15 Mark 7 Mat 7 which will lead us back to reconciliation.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
 

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We are not a slave to the law- we are either slave to Christ or slaves to sin (breaking God's law). Romans 6 The law just shows us our sin, Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 that is its purpose, and it points us to Jesus for the solution when we break His law. 1 John 1:9 We obey His law through love and faith. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Romans 3:31 Keeping His law is the whole duty of man Ecc 12:13-14 and is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 because God wants us free of the bondage of sin and to be with Him without sin. Our salvation is from sin, not in sin Mat 1:21 Jesus wants to free us from the bondage of sin and He enable us to obey His commandments which is one who is without sin John 14:15-18, we just need to cooperate with Him and allow His Spirit to work in us which He will only lead us to obedience to Him out of rebellion Heb 3:7-8 and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
The law does not simply lead us to Christ for forgiveness when we sin. It leads us to Christ for the empowerment to stop sinning. The law can teach us what sin is. It is impotent to free us of its bondage. This will always be the case for fallen flesh. Unless Christ is living in you and you walk in the Spirit, you are not obedient. You only think that you are
 
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The law does not simply lead us to Christ for forgiveness when we sin. It leads us to Christ for the empowerment to stop sinning. The law can teach us what sin is. It is impotent to free us of its bondage. This will always be the case for fallen flesh. Unless Christ is living in you and you walk in the Spirit, you are not obedient. You only think that you are
You just said everything I have been saying for a while now, I didn't think we would ever agree- God is good :)

The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
 

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Maybe I misunderstood your post and intention and if so, I apologize for that.

I will say that I disagree with you on not being able to obey God the way He asks. I do not believe Jesus asks us to do something, that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 but would not give us the power to overcome and to obey Him.

It's not what the scriptures teach. Jesus wants to free us of the bondage of sin He gives us His Spirit so we can obey Him John 14:15-18 what we can't do on our own, we can through Christ who strengthens us. Philippians 4:13

When we say we can't obey Him it is basically saying the devil has more power to keep us in sin, than Jesus does to keep us from sin. It's not what I believe, its not what the scriptures teach Mat 1:21, although it may not be easy, we are not alone, but Jesus wants us to take that narrow path and the decisions we make daily determine the path we are on. Romans 6:16. If one is having a hard time obeying His commandments pray for more love and faith to Him, I do this daily. Pray to ask Him to show us our sin and ask for His help in overcoming. We can overcome it is a promise in scripture.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I appreciate the apology, but none is necessary. I was simply clarifying. And I'm glad we are finally coming to the crux of the matter. You believe you, independent of Christ, can keep the commandments. I do not. And neither does the Bible support your claim. John 15:5...ye can do nothing apart from Me.
And it isn't because Satan has more power than Jesus, as you suggest. It is because God saved us, first and foremost, that we might be one with Him as He is one with the Father. This can never happen if we live independently of Him.
Go back sometime and read what I wrote to @ThyKingdomComeSoon concerning Adam and Eve and why God came each day to walk with them in the garden. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. One of Satan's works was to separate man from God. Jesus restores this relationship. But rather than walk in a garden, He walks in us.
 

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You just said everything I have been saying for a while now, I didn't think we would ever agree- God is good :)

The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
We still differ on a very important point. See post #534.
 
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I appreciate the apology, but none is necessary. I was simply clarifying. And I'm glad we are finally coming to the crux of the matter. You believe you, independent of Christ, can keep the commandments. I do not. And neither does the Bible support your claim. John 15:5...ye can do nothing apart from Me.
And it isn't because Satan has more power than Jesus, as you suggest. It is because God saved us, first and foremost, that we might be one with Him as He is one with the Father. This can never happen if we live independently of Him.
Go back sometime and read what I wrote to @ThyKingdomComeSoon concerning Adam and Eve and why God came each day to walk with them in the garden. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. One of Satan's works was to separate man from God. Jesus restores this relationship. But rather than walk in a garden, He walks in us.

Please quote when I have ever stated we can obey God independently of Christ. If you read my posts, you will see that is not the case. How many times have I quoted through Christ all things are possible. It's not our power, its Christs. Its not our faith, its Christs. Which is why I suggest if one is having a hard time obeying God to pray for more love and faith to Him. If we are having an issue obeying Him, its really a love and faith issue. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31

I do not suggest Satan has more power, it's almost like you take part of what I say and twist it into something I didn't say, so not sure if this is done on purpose or you're not reading my posts. I'll give the benefit of the doubt its the latter.

The saying is God loved us first, not God saved us first. We can hope we are saved, but until Jesus comes, we won't know if our name is written in the book of life. God shows us the path to be saved and His Word is the light to our path Psa 119:105 which shows us the narrow path, but sadly many choose not to listen to the Holy Spirit calling us out of rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8

Sin is what separated man from God Isa 59:2 man listening to "the other spirit" over obeying God. The "other spirit" telling Adam and Eve they can disobey God and live, the same lie he tells millions and millions of professed Christians, which Jesus in His own Words rebukes Mat 7:21-23

Jesus did come to reconcile us, He took the penalty of sin, but we took must take up our cross and die with Him and put on Christ and walk in His Spirit who leads us to obedience to Him and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
 
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We still differ on a very important point. See post #534.
Only one you have created in your own mind, sadly. Only God can judge our hearts and there is nothing anyone can hide from Him, Ecc 12:13-14
 

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But Jesus turned to them (women that kept mourning and wailing for Him) and said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children." -Luke 23:28
 

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Please quote when I have ever stated we can obey God independently of Christ. If you read my posts, you will see that is not the case. How many times have I quoted through Christ all things are possible. It's not our power, its Christs. Its not our faith, its Christs. Which is why I suggest if one is having a hard time obeying God to pray for more love and faith to Him. If we are having an issue obeying Him, its really a love and faith issue. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31

I do not suggest Satan has more power, it's almost like you take part of what I say and twist it into something I didn't say, so not sure if this is done on purpose or you're not reading my posts. I'll give the benefit of the doubt its the latter.

The saying is God loved us first, not God saved us first. We can hope we are saved, but until Jesus comes, we won't know if our name is written in the book of life. God shows us the path to be saved and His Word is the light to our path Psa 119:105 which shows us the narrow path, but sadly many choose not to listen to the Holy Spirit calling us out of rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8

Sin is what separated man from God Isa 59:2 man listening to "the other spirit" over obeying God. The "other spirit" telling Adam and Eve they can disobey God and live, the same lie he tells millions and millions of professed Christians, which Jesus in His own Words rebukes Mat 7:21-23

Jesus did come to reconcile us, He took the penalty of sin, but we took must take up our cross and die with Him and put on Christ and walk in His Spirit who leads us to obedience to Him and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
You said we could obey and that God gives us the power to do so. But that isn't what happens. He doesn't give us the power. He is the power. And He empowers us as He lives through us. One way unites us to Him. The other way separates us from Him.
You may think this a minor thing. It is actually the difference between a life lived in the power and Spirit of God, and one lived in one's own strength.
 

Cameron143

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Only one you have created in your own mind, sadly. Only God can judge our hearts and there is nothing anyone can hide from Him, Ecc 12:13-14
I'm earnestly attempting to show you the difference between the life of God hid in Christ and mere adherence to a standard. There is a difference. Grace and peace.