The Commandments of God (according to scripture)
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Well I prefer what scripture actually says....
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.
Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin (breaking God's law) leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Also what does Jesus tell us to do?
Matthew 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
So you're wrong about God's law not being righteous. When we depend on our own self-law like we pick and choose which commandments we keep, that is being self-righteous depending on our own righteousness instead of God's righteousness. God's character is in His holy law, you remove His law, we are removing His character and we are to take on His image/character.
We are not made righteous by keeping the law which means one could save themselves, obeying God and keeping God's law leads to righteousness- because we are trusting in God on how one should live holy and righteous lives and not our own version of it.
We are told to be doer of His Word- not just hearers James 1:22 God would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. This is the promise of Jesus, I believe Him at His Word. John 14:15-18 Heb 8:10
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.
Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin (breaking God's law) leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Also what does Jesus tell us to do?
Matthew 5: 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
So you're wrong about God's law not being righteous. When we depend on our own self-law like we pick and choose which commandments we keep, that is being self-righteous depending on our own righteousness instead of God's righteousness. God's character is in His holy law, you remove His law, we are removing His character and we are to take on His image/character.
We are not made righteous by keeping the law which means one could save themselves, obeying God and keeping God's law leads to righteousness- because we are trusting in God on how one should live holy and righteous lives and not our own version of it.
We are told to be doer of His Word- not just hearers James 1:22 God would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. This is the promise of Jesus, I believe Him at His Word. John 14:15-18 Heb 8:10
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Cameron, it is not by responsibility we obey the commandments, but we obey because we do want to, because we love Christ, we love GOD who sent him. there is a huge difference. It is not I obey because I do not want to be punished. We obey to please the lord who is just and true, his words are just and true. Remember what Jesus said, He is with us, do you feel his presence? I do.
Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Blessings
Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Blessings
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Sure. This is certainly true and another aspect of why the commandments are not grievous. Duty without delight leads to drudgery. By highlighting the responsibility placed on us by the law, I was merely contrasting that with the freedom and unburdening of grace.
As Christians, we should all delight to do the will of the Father. But we were once slaves to the law, and a constant focus on the law rather than Christ has the effect of burdening younger Christians. Galatians 5:1...Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
This is the concern I have. We can easily speak of the great grace in Christ that we experience, and yet end up binding the consciences of others if we are not careful.
As Christians, we should all delight to do the will of the Father. But we were once slaves to the law, and a constant focus on the law rather than Christ has the effect of burdening younger Christians. Galatians 5:1...Stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
This is the concern I have. We can easily speak of the great grace in Christ that we experience, and yet end up binding the consciences of others if we are not careful.
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Amen friend.
Good point. We obey God because He asks, and we love Him. When He changes us from the inside out we want to do everything He asks of us because we trust Him and knows He is only asking because He knows what's best for us.
All the law does is point out our sins, its like a mirror so we can see we are dirty and need of cleaning. It points us to Jesus and through His blood He can cover us in His righteousness when we go to Him, sorry of our ways and ask Him to help change our direction.
God bless!
Good point. We obey God because He asks, and we love Him. When He changes us from the inside out we want to do everything He asks of us because we trust Him and knows He is only asking because He knows what's best for us.
All the law does is point out our sins, its like a mirror so we can see we are dirty and need of cleaning. It points us to Jesus and through His blood He can cover us in His righteousness when we go to Him, sorry of our ways and ask Him to help change our direction.
God bless!
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We are not a slave to the law- we are either slave to Christ or slaves to sin (breaking God's law). Romans 6 The law just shows us our sin, Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7 that is its purpose, and it points us to Jesus for the solution when we break His law. 1 John 1:9 We obey His law through love and faith. John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Romans 3:31 Keeping His law is the whole duty of man Ecc 12:13-14 and is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 because God wants us free of the bondage of sin and to be with Him without sin. Our salvation is from sin, not in sin Mat 1:21 Jesus wants to free us from the bondage of sin and He enable us to obey His commandments which is one who is without sin John 14:15-18, we just need to cooperate with Him and allow His Spirit to work in us which He will only lead us to obedience to Him out of rebellion Heb 3:7-8 and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
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This is a great post! My experience has been very similar, once I started obeying His commandments and the Sabbath, it changed everything. My whole lifestyle had to change to accommodate the Sabbath and Jesus worked a miracle for me in order for me to be faithful to Him and His Sabbath commandment. Although it has been tough at times as not all my close family is on board, it has been such a blessing. I am forever grateful for His Sabbath; it is such a special blessing He wants to share with all of us.
You might find this video interesting. It's about a Sunday preacher who is preaching on the Sabbath and there was a study that showed a Sabbath-keeping group lived 11 years longer than the average person and he does some interesting math on it on how many Sabbaths that is. Sadly, he ruins it at the end and thinks he can apply God's blessing to the day of our choice, but its not how it works, we should always obey God they way He asks.
Anyway check out the video let me know your thoughts.
You might find this video interesting. It's about a Sunday preacher who is preaching on the Sabbath and there was a study that showed a Sabbath-keeping group lived 11 years longer than the average person and he does some interesting math on it on how many Sabbaths that is. Sadly, he ruins it at the end and thinks he can apply God's blessing to the day of our choice, but its not how it works, we should always obey God they way He asks.
Anyway check out the video let me know your thoughts.
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Could you explain what you mean by the heart feedback? Because I can assure you, I meant everything I wrote. You may not have understood my intention or meaning, but I meant exactly what I wrote. If by heart you mean emotional as opposed to biblical, feel free to point out my error with scripture.
And my purpose wasn't to give an exhaustive understanding of a particular commandment. My purpose was to show how extensive obedience actually is and the impossibility of keeping a singular commandment, let alone a list of them, apart from the Spirit.
And my purpose wasn't to give an exhaustive understanding of a particular commandment. My purpose was to show how extensive obedience actually is and the impossibility of keeping a singular commandment, let alone a list of them, apart from the Spirit.
Maybe I misunderstood your post and intention and if so, I apologize for that.
I will say that I disagree with you on not being able to obey God the way He asks. I do not believe Jesus asks us to do something, that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 but would not give us the power to overcome and to obey Him.
It's not what the scriptures teach. Jesus wants to free us of the bondage of sin He gives us His Spirit so we can obey Him John 14:15-18 what we can't do on our own, we can through Christ who strengthens us. Philippians 4:13
When we say we can't obey Him it is basically saying the devil has more power to keep us in sin, than Jesus does to keep us from sin. It's not what I believe, its not what the scriptures teach Mat 1:21, although it may not be easy, we are not alone, but Jesus wants us to take that narrow path and the decisions we make daily determine the path we are on. Romans 6:16. If one is having a hard time obeying His commandments pray for more love and faith to Him, I do this daily. Pray to ask Him to show us our sin and ask for His help in overcoming. We can overcome it is a promise in scripture.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I will say that I disagree with you on not being able to obey God the way He asks. I do not believe Jesus asks us to do something, that we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 but would not give us the power to overcome and to obey Him.
It's not what the scriptures teach. Jesus wants to free us of the bondage of sin He gives us His Spirit so we can obey Him John 14:15-18 what we can't do on our own, we can through Christ who strengthens us. Philippians 4:13
When we say we can't obey Him it is basically saying the devil has more power to keep us in sin, than Jesus does to keep us from sin. It's not what I believe, its not what the scriptures teach Mat 1:21, although it may not be easy, we are not alone, but Jesus wants us to take that narrow path and the decisions we make daily determine the path we are on. Romans 6:16. If one is having a hard time obeying His commandments pray for more love and faith to Him, I do this daily. Pray to ask Him to show us our sin and ask for His help in overcoming. We can overcome it is a promise in scripture.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I never said God's law wasn't righteous. But by works of the law is no flesh justified. There is a righteousness that can be obtained through the law. Jesus attained it. But you never will. And it's because of the weakness of the flesh. Otherwise, no need for Jesus to come.
But when we are saved, we aren't suddenly endowed with an ability to keep the commandments. Rather, as Christ lives in us, He keeps the commandments through us. We cannot sin if we are walking in the Spirit because the Spirit cannot lead us into sin. When we sin, it is because we are not walking in the Spirit and are trying to obey in our own strength. So teaching obedience apart from teaching how it one is enabled to obey is fruitless. That's why one is to do and to teach. And this is why Jesus said to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do.
But when we are saved, we aren't suddenly endowed with an ability to keep the commandments. Rather, as Christ lives in us, He keeps the commandments through us. We cannot sin if we are walking in the Spirit because the Spirit cannot lead us into sin. When we sin, it is because we are not walking in the Spirit and are trying to obey in our own strength. So teaching obedience apart from teaching how it one is enabled to obey is fruitless. That's why one is to do and to teach. And this is why Jesus said to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do.
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I don't know if you read the scriptures or post you are replying to, but I agree we are not made righteous by the law- righteousness comes from Christ obeying Him and His commandments leads to righteousness, His righteousness Romans 6:16 Isa 48:18
Jesus never said "to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do."
Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they were teaching to keep their own rules over the commandment of God and Jesus said when doing this, ones heart is far from Him and one worships in vain. He called the Pharisees blind in this teaching and both teacher and student who follow this end up in a ditch. Mat 15 Mark 7
Jesus taught our righteousness needs to exceed the Pharisees otherwise we not make it in heaven either Mat 5:20 and we are not to break the least of God's commandments or teach others to break as we too can follow the path of the Pharisees (in a ditch) when listening to this teaching or we can follow the narrow path Jesus leads us on John 14:15 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15 Mark 7 Mat 7 which will lead us back to reconciliation.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Jesus never said "to the people to do as the Pharisees say but not as they do."
Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they were teaching to keep their own rules over the commandment of God and Jesus said when doing this, ones heart is far from Him and one worships in vain. He called the Pharisees blind in this teaching and both teacher and student who follow this end up in a ditch. Mat 15 Mark 7
Jesus taught our righteousness needs to exceed the Pharisees otherwise we not make it in heaven either Mat 5:20 and we are not to break the least of God's commandments or teach others to break as we too can follow the path of the Pharisees (in a ditch) when listening to this teaching or we can follow the narrow path Jesus leads us on John 14:15 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mat 15 Mark 7 Mat 7 which will lead us back to reconciliation.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
The law does not simply lead us to Christ for forgiveness when we sin. It leads us to Christ for the empowerment to stop sinning. The law can teach us what sin is. It is impotent to free us of its bondage. This will always be the case for fallen flesh. Unless Christ is living in you and you walk in the Spirit, you are not obedient. You only think that you are
You just said everything I have been saying for a while now, I didn't think we would ever agree- God is good 
The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
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I appreciate the apology, but none is necessary. I was simply clarifying. And I'm glad we are finally coming to the crux of the matter. You believe you, independent of Christ, can keep the commandments. I do not. And neither does the Bible support your claim. John 15:5...ye can do nothing apart from Me.
And it isn't because Satan has more power than Jesus, as you suggest. It is because God saved us, first and foremost, that we might be one with Him as He is one with the Father. This can never happen if we live independently of Him.
Go back sometime and read what I wrote to @ThyKingdomComeSoon concerning Adam and Eve and why God came each day to walk with them in the garden. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. One of Satan's works was to separate man from God. Jesus restores this relationship. But rather than walk in a garden, He walks in us.
And it isn't because Satan has more power than Jesus, as you suggest. It is because God saved us, first and foremost, that we might be one with Him as He is one with the Father. This can never happen if we live independently of Him.
Go back sometime and read what I wrote to @ThyKingdomComeSoon concerning Adam and Eve and why God came each day to walk with them in the garden. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. One of Satan's works was to separate man from God. Jesus restores this relationship. But rather than walk in a garden, He walks in us.
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You just said everything I have been saying for a while now, I didn't think we would ever agree- God is good
The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
The law points our sin, because without the law how do we know we are dirty. Romans 3:20 Romans 7:7
The law shows us our need for Jesus for cleanings and sanctification 1 John 1:9 Pro 28:13
Keeping His commandments frees us of the bondage of sin Romans 6:1-16
Living in Christ in His Spirit which leads us to obedience enables us to obey Him John 14:15-30
Those in Christ are not an enmity to God's law Romans 8:7-8 but are living by His Spirit in faith, keeping their mind on Christ, dying daily of self (sin) 1 Corinthians 15:31
Please quote when I have ever stated we can obey God independently of Christ. If you read my posts, you will see that is not the case. How many times have I quoted through Christ all things are possible. It's not our power, its Christs. Its not our faith, its Christs. Which is why I suggest if one is having a hard time obeying God to pray for more love and faith to Him. If we are having an issue obeying Him, its really a love and faith issue. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31
I do not suggest Satan has more power, it's almost like you take part of what I say and twist it into something I didn't say, so not sure if this is done on purpose or you're not reading my posts. I'll give the benefit of the doubt its the latter.
The saying is God loved us first, not God saved us first. We can hope we are saved, but until Jesus comes, we won't know if our name is written in the book of life. God shows us the path to be saved and His Word is the light to our path Psa 119:105 which shows us the narrow path, but sadly many choose not to listen to the Holy Spirit calling us out of rebellion to Him Heb 3:7-8
Sin is what separated man from God Isa 59:2 man listening to "the other spirit" over obeying God. The "other spirit" telling Adam and Eve they can disobey God and live, the same lie he tells millions and millions of professed Christians, which Jesus in His own Words rebukes Mat 7:21-23
Jesus did come to reconcile us, He took the penalty of sin, but we took must take up our cross and die with Him and put on Christ and walk in His Spirit who leads us to obedience to Him and back to reconciliation Rev 22:14
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You said we could obey and that God gives us the power to do so. But that isn't what happens. He doesn't give us the power. He is the power. And He empowers us as He lives through us. One way unites us to Him. The other way separates us from Him.
You may think this a minor thing. It is actually the difference between a life lived in the power and Spirit of God, and one lived in one's own strength.
You may think this a minor thing. It is actually the difference between a life lived in the power and Spirit of God, and one lived in one's own strength.