Fails on basic morality

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Your missing the point or avoiding the question one. You said the standard you use to determine right and wrong is yours. That makes you a lawgiver. I'm wondering if your laws apply only to yourself or to everyone. So do you set the standard? Who decides the standard if not you? And by what authority is your standard given?
They apply to any moral human. Are you moral or does your standard include owning another human as>>>> property.
 

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They apply to any moral human. Are you moral or does your standard include owning another human as>>>> property.
Says who? What law is broken? Who's law is it? Who's standard?
Are you the authority? Do you make laws? Who is subject to your laws? By what authority?
If you can't answer these questions, your claim is baseless. Everyone is free to come up with their own morality. So on what basis is slavery wrong? Who's standard defines right and wrong? Who has the authority to make laws and why?
 
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Says who? What law is broken? Who's law is it? Who's standard?
Are you the authority? Do you make laws? Who is subject to your laws? By what authority?
If you can't answer these questions, your claim is baseless. Everyone is free to come up with their own morality. So on what basis is slavery wrong? Who's standard defines right and wrong? Who has the authority to make laws and why?
Say moral people.
 

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Say moral people.
What constitutes a moral person? We need a standard we can all go by. You obviously don't understand God's standard. So give us one. Slavery bad. What else? Is abortion wrong also?
 
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What constitutes a moral person? We need a standard we can all go by. You obviously don't understand God's standard. So give us one. Slavery bad. What else? Is abortion wrong also?
One that doesn't own another human as property. Child abuse is immoral 2 Samuel 12:15&18.
 

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One that doesn't own another human as property. Child abuse is immoral 2 Samuel 12:15&18.
You quote scripture as the reason child abuse is immoral. Is scripture your standard? I thought you didn't accept God's standard. Which is it?
Abortion isn't merely child abuse. It's murder. Also found in the standard of God.
You are all over the place. Is the Bible the standard or not?
 
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You quote scripture as the reason child abuse is immoral. Is scripture your standard? I thought you didn't accept God's standard. Which is it?
Abortion isn't merely child abuse. It's murder. Also found in the standard of God.
You are all over the place. Is the Bible the standard or not?
My standard is child abuse is immoral, as any moral human knows it's immoral. Your standard does have child abuse and murder of a child.
 

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My standard is child abuse is immoral, as any moral human knows it's immoral. Your standard does have child abuse.
Your standard is your own? You decide what is right and wrong? So what does it matter if someone else does the same? If everyone is their own standard, there is no standard.
If I kill you, am I wrong to do so? By who's standard? If you say by human standards, which humans? Not all humans believe killing is wrong. So what makes it wrong? Because you say? Why is what you say more important than what someone else says? What is the reason killing is wrong?
 
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Your standard is your own? You decide what is right and wrong? So what does it matter if someone else does the same? If everyone is their own standard, there is no standard.
If I kill you, am I wrong to do so? By who's standard? If you say by human standards, which humans? Not all humans believe killing is wrong. So what makes it wrong? Because you say? Why is what you say more important than what someone else says? What is the reason killing is wrong?
As my standard is moral as I have just pointed out, compared to yours. My standard doesn't have ownership of a person. Nor child abuse, child murder, yours does.
 

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As my standard is moral as I have just pointed out, compared to yours. My standard doesn't have ownership of a person. Nor child abuse, child murder, yours does.
I haven't shared my morality.
I'll try again. What makes murder immoral?
 
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I haven't shared my morality.
I'll try again. What makes murder immoral?
You have it's on your profile - about me. Your morality is from a creator. Your a sheep, that has a morality that you can own another human as property, you also endorse a creator abusing a child, by inflicting harm on the child with an illness, so they child takes a week to die, as already highlighted.

As it causes harm and death, obviously. And also causes harm to the family/friends who suffer because of loss of someone close to them.

Kind of funny someone asking about my standard. But doesn't contain anything horrific as yours. Is it moral to beat a slave with a weapon as they are your property? This is your standard.
 

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You have it's on your profile - about me. Your morality is from a creator. Your a sheep, that has a morality that you can own another human as property, you also endorse a creator abusing a child, by inflicting harm on the child with an illness, so they child takes a week to die, as already highlighted.

As it causes harm and death, obviously. And also causes harm to the family/friends who suffer because of loss of someone close to them.

Kind of funny someone asking about my standard. But doesn't contain anything horrific as yours. Is it moral to beat a slave with a weapon as they are your property? This is your standard.
Still the judge. And yet can't say why murder is wrong. What makes murder wrong?
 
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Still the judge. And yet can't say why murder is wrong. What makes murder wrong?
Just did. As it causes harm to the person murdered physically and others connected mentally.

Is it moral to beat a slave with a weapon as they are your property? This is your standard
 

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Just did. As it causes harm to the person murdered physically and others connected mentally.

Is it moral to beat a slave with a weapon as they are your property? This is your standard
Do I live under the old covenant? The standard set for me is to love my neighbor as myself.
So your standard is to cause no harm? Does accusing someone falsely cause harm?
 
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Do I live under the old covenant? The standard set for me is to love my neighbor as myself.
So your standard is to cause no harm? Does accusing someone falsely cause harm?
You follow a creator that endorses owning people as property and beating them with a weapon. Are you denying this?
 
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