my time line charts

[douggg]

In Revelation 11...

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple [naos] of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The kjv with Strong's numbers gives some Greek based terms for the temple.

The temple formerly had two walls. One around the entire temple mount complex - and one around the inner court. That configuration of two walls was termed as "hieron", such as was the second temple, sometimes called Herod's temple.

Whereas "naos" as used in Revelation 11:1-2 denotes the central sanctuary itself.

So, John measured the the walled inner court of the naos - which included the brazen altar, for the burning of sacrifices. But not the outer court, i.e the mount platform.

All of which indicates that the temple, when built following Gog/Magog, will initially be built as a downsized version in order to get the temple sacrifices and ordinances going as quickly as possible. The daily sacrifice will begin on day 220 on the 7 year time line - or about 7 months into the seven years.

Here is a pictorial I made of the "hieron", like Herod's temple was. The outer court was called the court of the gentiles. And below it, what John was told to measure.

 

[douggg]

Wow so the rapture starts in 2030 and I'm a preterist ok. ..

Go read post #24 regarding the timing of the rapture.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Go read post #24 regarding the timing of the rapture.

Do you know who the false prophets are

 

[douggg]

Do you know who the false prophets are

Assuming you are referring to the false prophet who will be cast alive into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 - no, I don't know at this point in time.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Assuming you are referring to the false prophet who will be cast alive into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 - no, I don't know at this point in time.

your lucky you just caught me.

The false real false prophets are not of this world Douglas,

This is where the error is in teaching.

So I don't blame you, all Christians get attacked by them.

But you know what, I ain't bothered really about dates it brings us to be on watch really.

So I see you know it's a possible date so at least your examining your thoughts correctly.

But do me a favour in future.


If your going to discuss your beliefs that's you know are open to interpretation

Could you do the same for others 😊

Thanks have a good day sir

 

[douggg]

If your going to discuss your beliefs that's you know are open to interpretation

Could you do the same for others 😊

Sure, go start another thread centered on the different beliefs you have that you want to share with others and discuss.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Sure, go start another thread centered on the different beliefs you have that you want to share with others and discuss.

np buddy 😊 your welcome to join in

 

[selahsays]

There won’t be a pretrib rapture, folks.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

There won’t be a pretrib rapture, folks.

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

see if there is no pre trib rapture for saints alive, that means we face tribulation

But then scripture is clear that no one will no the hour or the day so how will you know your in great tribulation 😊

 

[selahsays]

see if there is no pre trib rapture for saints alive, that means we face tribulation

But then scripture is clear that no one will no the hour or the day so how will you know your in great tribulation 😊

Yes, the saints/Elect will go through the great tribulation, enduring till the end.

"Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. "Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

- Revelation 3:10-12

 

[selahsays]

see if there is no pre trib rapture for saints alive, that means we face tribulation

But then scripture is clear that no one will no the hour or the day so how will you know your in great tribulation 😊

The AC comes first claiming to be God:

Satan comes at the 6th trump. Jesus Christ comes at the 7th trump.

 

[douggg]

 

[douggg]

The 7 years will begin with a big speech from the temple mount by the Antichrist where he will oversee the reading of the law of Moses to the nation of Israel.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[douggg]

The AC comes first claiming to be God:

Satan comes at the 6th trump. Jesus Christ comes at the 7th trump.

The 6th trumpet in Revelation 9 opens with a star falling from heaven. That star will be Satan, who will open the bottomless pit and release the flesh tormenting locust creatures. Called the first woe.

In Revelation 10:7, in the days of the 7th trumpet, the mystery of God will be finished. The days of the 7th trumpet, which the 7th trumpet sounding announces the third woe - will be a time, times, half times long. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea is in Revelation 12:12.

Some people in the discussion of the three woes protest that means the third woe takes place before the first and second woes.

However, they do not understand that the third woe spans a time, times, half time that Satan will have left. And that the first and second woes fit within that time, times, half time timeframe.

Jesus comes at the end of the time, times, half time to have Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison in Revelation 20:1-3.

Here is my timeline chart to understand the relationship between the first, second, third woes. As the 5th, 6th, 7th angels sound their trumpets.

 

[Omegatime]

The AC comes first claiming to be God:

Satan comes at the 6th trump. Jesus Christ comes at the 7th trump.

I disagree Selah. The covenant is for many nations for protection and includes Israel. Not till 1260 days later does he put himself forth as God.

It's not that I do not agree with the 7th totally but what do you do with the vial or bowl judgements that come after the Trump judgements
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[Omegatime]

The 6th trumpet in Revelation 9 opens with a star falling from heaven. That star will be Satan, who will open the bottomless pit and release the flesh tormenting locust creatures. Called the first woe.

In Revelation 10:7, in the days of the 7th trumpet, the mystery of God will be finished. The days of the 7th trumpet, which the 7th trumpet sounding announces the third woe - will be a time, times, half times long. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea is in Revelation 12:12.

Some people in the discussion of the three woes protest that means the third woe takes place before the first and second woes.

However, they do not understand that the third woe spans a time, times, half time that Satan will have left. And that the first and second woes fit within that time, times, half time timeframe.

Jesus comes at the end of the time, times, half time to have Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison in Revelation 20:1-3.

Here is my timeline chart to understand the relationship between the first, second, third woes. As the 5th, 6th, 7th angels sound their trumpets.

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I see taking the seal judgments which probably only last 6 months and stretch it out over seven years.

I call this a mess of dubious information

 

[douggg]

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I see taking the seal judgments which probably only last 6 months and stretch it out over seven years.

I call this a mess of dubious information

The seals themselves are not judgments, but are like locks on the book that Jesus opened.

The first six seals in chapter 6 when opened show an overview of what will take place over the course of the 7 years. So on my chart, at the base are the 6 seals, and what they indicate.

seal 1
seal 2
seal 3
seal 4
seal 5
seal 6

The seventh seal is not opened until chapter 8. When opened, it shows the trumpet judgements that will take place once the great tribulation begins.

So on my chart, I dedicated a separate area (the light brown shaded area) for the great tribulation. And above it, a light blue shaded area for seal 7 and the trumpet judgements.

seal 7 opened
(chapter 8)
trumpet 1
trumpet 2
trumpet 3
trumpet 4

(chapter 9)
trumpet 5, first woe
trumpet 6, second woe

(chapter 11)
trumpet 7, in the days of, the third woe - the time, the times, half time that Satan will have left. The time, times, half times, time span gives the time bracket when the first and second woes will take place.

Simply put, Satan will be cast down to earth - and the time, times, half time begins. The first thing Satan does is open the bottomless pit and the locust creatures come out. They torment men for five months.

Near the end of the time, times half time - the armies of the east, i.e. the Chinese and their allies, march west toward Israel. Along the way, they kill a third of man kind, which looks to be population density of India and Pakistan.

The time, times, half time ends the day that Jesus Returns.

 

[douggg]

I disagree Selah. The covenant is for many nations for protection and includes Israel. Not till 1260 days later does he put himself forth as God.

The notion that the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is a peace/protection covenant involving Israel - is something that popular prophecy commentators began pushing in the 1970's and 1980's.

They based their view on Daniel 8:25 which says the little horn person destroys many by peace.

However, those same prophecy commentators were unaware that in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 that Moses made a requirement on all future leaders to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle - i.e. for 7 years.

The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is the Mt. Sinai covenant - not a peace treaty/protection covenant that you were exposed to being taught back in your earlier years. (you and I are about the same age, I think)

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Also the person does not first put himself forth as God at the 1260 mid-point - but about two-three months before then.

The ToD act (transgression of desolation act) the 2Thessalonians2:4 act - his first declaration of being God. (look at my chart and you will see the ToD and AoD on it)

Then he is killed, assassinated, Ezekiel 28:1-10

Then he is brought back to life, Isaiah 14:18-20 - becoming the beast

Then the statue image of him made, the AoD abomination of desolation.

Then the statue image is placed on the temple mount, 1335 days before Jesus returns, i.e. placed on Day 1185

Then the Jews begin fleeing to the mountains, as the two witnesses battle the beast, giving them cover.

Then on day 1260 - the midpoint - the beast kills the two witnesses. And the 42 months of the beast reign begins.

Then on day 1263.5 - the two witnesses come back to live and ascend to heaven.


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[Omegatime]

The notion that the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is a peace/protection covenant involving Israel - is something that popular prophecy commentators began pushing in the 1970's and 1980's.

They based their view on Daniel 8:25 which says the little horn person destroys many by peace.

However, those same prophecy commentators were unaware that in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 that Moses made a requirement on all future leaders to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle - i.e. for 7 years.

The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 is the Mt. Sinai covenant - not a peace treaty/protection covenant that you were exposed to being taught back in your earlier years. (you and I are about the same age, I think)

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Also the person does not first put himself forth as God at the 1260 mid-point - but about two-three months before then.

The ToD act (transgression of desolation act) the 2Thessalonians2:4 act - his first declaration of being God. (look at my chart and you will see the ToD and AoD on it)

Then he is killed, assassinated, Ezekiel 28:1-10

Then he is brought back to life, Isaiah 14:18-20 - becoming the beast

Then the statue image of him made, the AoD abomination of desolation.

Then the statue image is placed on the temple mount, 1335 days before Jesus returns, i.e. placed on Day 1185

Then the Jews begin fleeing to the mountains, as the two witnesses battle the beast, giving them cover.

Then on day 1260 - the midpoint - the beast kills the two witnesses. And the 42 months of the beast reign begins.

Then on day 1263.5 - the two witnesses come back to live and ascend to heaven.


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You truly know how to scramble scripture