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“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
indeed so we should learn the things he taught and believe in him .
The one we believe in said
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
The one god sent said that is he believable is the question
indeed so we should learn the things he taught and believe in him .
The one we believe in said
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
The one god sent said that is he believable is the question
He cannot contradict Himself. So did He only preach half the gospel on the other occasions, or is the baptism it refers to different to the work you are claiming it is? I think you must conclude the latter, unless you believe Jesus preached an incomplete gospel on other occasions. Also Paul got it totally wrong on the works thing.
Romans 12:1-2
New International Version
A Living Sacrifice
12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
New International Version
A Living Sacrifice
12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
t what are you talking about lol ? How is getting baptized like Jesus said will save us a work ? It’s hearing and believing the lord and trusting what he said
paul had the doctrine about our works right
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
I’m not sure you would be willing to hear what he said but Paul definately had thkngs right it’s only when we do this that it may seem like he didn’t if I do this with Paul’s writings
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
if I now reject everything else paul said and tell really loud “ that’s it and that’s all period “
then of course everything were taught to repent of and start doing even something as basic and simple as baptism becomes irrelevant because well that one scripture says everything
abut really it’s a sentance in a letter that says a whole lot of things here’s what else Ephesians says to the same folks he said we’re saved by grace
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1, 3-7 KJV
aim not foolish enough though I am a fool , to reject warnings like that
Paul taught more about repentance and right actions than anyone did and what he’s saying is rather clear isn’t it ?
But not if we reject his letters for the sake of a sentance or two donyou also believe Ephesians chapter 5 there ? And what do you make of that part or this part whicch was a constant in his letters
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
you knoe what Paul wasn’t saying ? “ reject all the information about salvstion and just say grace your all saved you’ll never be judged by what you do naw he wasn’t teaching that at all
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
she easnt teaching people “ don’t change anything your safe don’t listen to the lords word your safe don’t get baptized your saved he was saying this
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Philippians 2:12 KJV
It seems like Paul understood to me but maybe not to you idk I’m not the one rejecting anything he said to do as if it’s an evil work of the law lol
paul had the doctrine about our works right
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
I’m not sure you would be willing to hear what he said but Paul definately had thkngs right it’s only when we do this that it may seem like he didn’t if I do this with Paul’s writings
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Ephesians 2:8 KJV
if I now reject everything else paul said and tell really loud “ that’s it and that’s all period “
then of course everything were taught to repent of and start doing even something as basic and simple as baptism becomes irrelevant because well that one scripture says everything
abut really it’s a sentance in a letter that says a whole lot of things here’s what else Ephesians says to the same folks he said we’re saved by grace
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1, 3-7 KJV
aim not foolish enough though I am a fool , to reject warnings like that
Paul taught more about repentance and right actions than anyone did and what he’s saying is rather clear isn’t it ?
But not if we reject his letters for the sake of a sentance or two donyou also believe Ephesians chapter 5 there ? And what do you make of that part or this part whicch was a constant in his letters
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
you knoe what Paul wasn’t saying ? “ reject all the information about salvstion and just say grace your all saved you’ll never be judged by what you do naw he wasn’t teaching that at all
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
she easnt teaching people “ don’t change anything your safe don’t listen to the lords word your safe don’t get baptized your saved he was saying this
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Philippians 2:12 KJV
It seems like Paul understood to me but maybe not to you idk I’m not the one rejecting anything he said to do as if it’s an evil work of the law lol
yeah it really really isn’t hard to grasp
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
seems pretty simple to me since were called to believe in the lord . The question is are we willing to believe in the lord and not reject his word that promises salvation
preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
or do I need to reject it and find something that I can try to erase that with ?
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
seems pretty simple to me since were called to believe in the lord . The question is are we willing to believe in the lord and not reject his word that promises salvation
preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
or do I need to reject it and find something that I can try to erase that with ?
What are you talking about
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
John 1:29
“And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; ( see Daniel 7) saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.”
Revelation 5:6-14 KJV
the whole terminology of the lamb of God is about remission of sins
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
John 1:29
“And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; ( see Daniel 7) saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.”
Revelation 5:6-14 KJV
the whole terminology of the lamb of God is about remission of sins
are you talking about this sentance ?
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
if you keep reading on later …
…..For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:2, 26-29 KJV
the hearing of faith means you hear what god said did you ever notice it’s the Ephesians who hadn’t received the soirit when Paul came along ? But they had been baptized by John ? Yet the thing is they didn’t hear about Jesus giving the Holy Spirit. So they couldn’t receive it
“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.”
Acts 19:1-2 KJV
They had never heard what John was oreschong they had only came along and been baptized by him , so Paul tells them what theybhadnt heard about
“And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.( they hadn’t heard that part about believing in Jesus ) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:3-5 KJV
That’s why he’s later reminding them
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? “
awe have to believe the gospel ofnour lord and get baptized in his name for remission of sins like all of them did and taught. The key is to hear the truth and act upon it not to reject it and say it’s not needed
a lot of people seem to think Jesus has no right to set the parameters of salvstion so it becomes “ well Jesus said to believe the gospel get baptized and be saved
but Paul said we’re saved by grace so we don’t need to do anything Jesus said to do “
That’s not Paul’s position it’s what happens when people distort Paul’s letters and reject all the doctrine for the sake of a grace verse they can try Tom impose as the magic lens
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
if you keep reading on later …
…..For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:2, 26-29 KJV
the hearing of faith means you hear what god said did you ever notice it’s the Ephesians who hadn’t received the soirit when Paul came along ? But they had been baptized by John ? Yet the thing is they didn’t hear about Jesus giving the Holy Spirit. So they couldn’t receive it
“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.”
Acts 19:1-2 KJV
They had never heard what John was oreschong they had only came along and been baptized by him , so Paul tells them what theybhadnt heard about
“And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.( they hadn’t heard that part about believing in Jesus ) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 19:3-5 KJV
That’s why he’s later reminding them
“This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? “
awe have to believe the gospel ofnour lord and get baptized in his name for remission of sins like all of them did and taught. The key is to hear the truth and act upon it not to reject it and say it’s not needed
a lot of people seem to think Jesus has no right to set the parameters of salvstion so it becomes “ well Jesus said to believe the gospel get baptized and be saved
but Paul said we’re saved by grace so we don’t need to do anything Jesus said to do “
That’s not Paul’s position it’s what happens when people distort Paul’s letters and reject all the doctrine for the sake of a grace verse they can try Tom impose as the magic lens
….yeah if you forgive others when your judges that’s the king of judgement you’ll receive
aid you refuse to forgive me though that doesn’t mean a thing to me it doesn’t condemn me or save me if you forgive or don’t it doesn’t apply to me it’s about you and your judgement
I have to do this like you do but it’s only about my own account no one else’s
“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
Romans 14:10-13 KJV
I have to see the lord for my life , if you forgive me I’m glad because it would reconcile our relationship but you forgiving me isn’t on gods behalf that’s between he and I I don’t need an intercessor I have one already so do you
we should forgive because we have to be judged for our deeds too mercy for the merciful judgement for the judgemental condemnation for the condemners ect
aid you refuse to forgive me though that doesn’t mean a thing to me it doesn’t condemn me or save me if you forgive or don’t it doesn’t apply to me it’s about you and your judgement
I have to do this like you do but it’s only about my own account no one else’s
“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
Romans 14:10-13 KJV
I have to see the lord for my life , if you forgive me I’m glad because it would reconcile our relationship but you forgiving me isn’t on gods behalf that’s between he and I I don’t need an intercessor I have one already so do you
we should forgive because we have to be judged for our deeds too mercy for the merciful judgement for the judgemental condemnation for the condemners ect
