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34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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It's the disciples of Jesus which yheir family members betray to death.Not the other way around.

Luke 21:16
You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.


This takes place while the two witnesses are in Israel killing people though.
 
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It clearly says they are God's witnesses. You are twisting the truth.

3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
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It clearly says they are Jesus's witnesses.
It clearly says their Lord was crucified.


Revelation 11

8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.


Their Lord is Jesus.They are christians who are killing and tormenting other people..
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
It clearly says they are Jesus's witnesses.
It clearly says their Lord was crucified.


Revelation 11

8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.


Their Lord is Jesus.They are christians who are killing and tormenting other people..
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It's figurative language. The 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah, or more accurately, the law and the prophets. It is the law that Jesus employs as a two-edged sword bringing judgment upon Israel.
 
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achduke7 said:
It clearly says they are God's witnesses. You are twisting the truth.

3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
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Mathew 21
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.






The last to be sent by God is his son.If you want to argue with Jesus then that's on you.The only people I know who are sent are Jesus's servants and he sends them to preach the gospel .Not to kill.
 
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It's figurative language. The 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah, or more accurately, the law and the prophets. It is the law that Jesus employs as a two-edged sword bringing judgment upon Israel.
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It's not figurative language.Those two witnesses are servants of Jesus Christ.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
It's not figurative language.Those two witnesses are servants of Jesus Christ.
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Indeed they are. Moses and Elijah were servants of the Most High. The law and the prophets testified of Jesus. And they served to judge Israel when they didn't produce life in Israel.
 
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Indeed they are. Moses and Elijah were servants of the Most High. The law and the prophets testified of Jesus. And they served to judge Israel when they didn't produce life in Israel.
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Jesus said God sent his son last of all.

Are you saying Jesus is wrong or are you saying Elijah and Moses are the son of God?


Mathew 21
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.




Last of all.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Jesus said God sent his son last of all.

Are you saying Jesus is wrong or are you saying Elijah and Moses are the son of God?


Mathew 21
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.




Last of all.
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Right. And they killed Him. And they were judged for it. They were judged by the very law wherein they believed they had life. And when the Owner of the vineyard returned, He poured out His wrath on the offending parties...the nation Israel. The prophets were the first servants who were killed.
 
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Right. And they killed Him. And they were judged for it. They were judged by the very law wherein they believed they had life. And when the Owner of the vineyard returned, He poured out His wrath on the offending parties...the nation Israel. The prophets were the first servants who were killed.
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Just making sure we are clear that the owner isn't sending anyone after his son..Last of all ,he sent his son.Last of all meaming he isn't sending anymore.His son is the last he sends.


37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
 
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Just making sure we are clear that the owner isn't sending anyone after his son..Last of all ,he sent his son.Last of all meaming he isn't sending anymore.His son is the last he sends.


37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
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I agree with that. The Son is the last before He returns.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
It's not figurative language.Those two witnesses are servants of Jesus Christ.
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Does Christ not speak for his Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
 
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Does Christ not speak for his Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
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The two witnesses are not Christ.
 
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Revelation 11

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
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Thank about what is said in verse 9, What is in your forehead? Tap your finger on your forehead and ask yourself what is back there? It is your brain your mind. The thing you use to choose just who you want to follow, what do you do with your hands? work for ither good or evil. God or Satan. 666 6th trump, 6th seal, and the 6th vial.
 
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Kenneth said:
Thank about what is said in verse 9, What is in your forehead? Tap your finger on your forehead and ask yourself what is back there? It is your brain your mind. The thing you use to choose just who you want to follow, what do you do with your hands? work for ither good or evil. God or Satan. 666 6th trump, 6th seal, and the 6th vial.
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The topic is more about verse ten and where people go to be tormented.
Kenneth said:
Thank about what is said in verse 9, What is in your forehead? Tap your finger on your forehead and ask yourself what is back there? It is your brain your mind. The thing you use to choose just who you want to follow, what do you do with your hands? work for ither good or evil. God or Satan. 666 6th trump, 6th seal, and the 6th vial.
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The topic has more to do with whee people go to be tormented which is the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.


10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
 
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No, They are his witnesses. Do think Christ is a bad judge of people to pick them? He is not and they do not break his commandments.
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Did you really need to ask that question?Ever heard of Judas?

John 6:70
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”


Here in Mathew 24,Jesus talks about his coming and the end of the age.He talks about certain servants who break his commandments,saying,

Mathew 24:48-51
But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’
and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?
The master will return unannounced and unexpected,
and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Have you never read these things?
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Did you really need to ask that question?Ever heard of Judas?

John 6:70
Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”


Here in Mathew 24,Jesus talks about his coming and the end of the age.He talks about certain servants who break his commandments,saying,

Mathew 24:48-51
But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’
and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?
The master will return unannounced and unexpected,
and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Have you never read these things?
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It was meant to be.

John 6:764 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him
 
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It was meant to be.

John 6:764 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him
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Same with the prophets who speak lies at the time of the end.
 
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achduke7 said:
No, They are his witnesses. Do think Christ is a bad judge of people to pick them? He is not and they do not break his commandments.
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I have a thought it is based on 1st Corinthian's 15:50 I says that fleas and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Enoch and Elijah. The were both faithful servants of God and He took them before they died. Could they be the 2 witnesses?
 
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Kenneth said:
I have a thought it is based on 1st Corinthian's 15:50 I says that fleas and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Enoch and Elijah. The were both faithful servants of God and He took them before they died. Could they be the 2 witnesses?
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Although the 2 witnesses may actually be two people I think it may represent two groups of people or prophets. The bible refers to them as the two olive trees and two lamp stands/candlesticks. The Olive Tree in the past represented Israel and the lamp stands the church. God refers to Israel as Witnesses in Isaiah and God also refers to Israel his green olive tree in Jeremiah. How does one Israel become two? God divided Israel into the Northern and Southern Kingdoms of Israel. The Southern Kingdom is know as Judah(Jews) today.

Rev 11: 4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Jeremiah 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
 
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