Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

[Shilohsfoal]

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

There's a lot more than one verse.According to you,the next 14 verses means a Jew will move from.one country to another .



37 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.
5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Parts of Ezekiel 37 were fulfilled in 1948.

Are you positive all of Israel was brought up out of their graves and brought them all into the land of Israel in 1948?

Are you sure they were all gathered in 1948?


How many other people have you taught that the resurection of the dead is metaphorical and that when someone moves from one country to another then they have been brought up out of their graves?

Alot of Venezuelans have been coming up out of their graves lately being moved to the US.
Alot of open graves In Venezuela.

 

[douggg]

There's a lot more than one verse.According to you,the next 14 verses means a Jew will move from.one country to another .

It means the Jews will be brought back to the land of Israel.

To be completely fulfilled in Ezekiel 39:28, Matthew 24:31.

 

[douggg]

Are you positive all of Israel was brought up out of their graves and brought them all into the land of Israel in 1948?

Ate you sure they were all gathered in 1948?

To be completely fulfilled in Ezekiel 39:28, Matthew 24:31. At Jesus's Second Coming.

 

[douggg]

So now after going over Ezekiel 37, Ezekiel 39, you must now know that Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 is right before the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9.

Work on making some 7 year 70th week timeline charts.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It means the Jews will be brought back to the land of Israel.

To be completely fulfilled in Ezekiel 39:28, Matthew 24:31.

So you believe a Jew moving from.one country to another means God did it.

What does forming tendons and flesh and skin on bones mean?


6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

So now after going over Ezekiel 37, Ezekiel 39, you must now know that Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 is right before the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9.

Work on making some 7 year 70th week timeline charts.

You've still have not convinced me that God has brought ,Moses ,Jeremiah and Daniel out of their graves and gathered them into the land of Israel yet.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

It means the Jews will be brought back to the land of Israel.

To be completely fulfilled in Ezekiel 39:28, Matthew 24:31.

You said it was already fulfilled in 1948.


11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.


It was your claim that the whole house of Israel was brought up out of their graves in 1948.


Now your saying this was not fulfilled in 1948?

 

[douggg]

You said it was already fulfilled in 1948.


11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.


It was your claim that the whole house of Israel was brought up out of their graves in 1948.


Now your saying this was not fulfilled in 1948?

The nation of Israel came back to life on May 14, 1948. Fulfilling part of Isaiah 66:7-8, a nation born at once, brought forth in one day.

1967, the Jews regained Jerusalem, fulfilling part of the fig tree generation parable that will experience Jesus's Return. Which Jesus, my servant David of Ezekiel 37, will be their whole house of Israel's King of Israel forever. And at that time, fulfill the completion of every single Jew brought back to the land of Israel in Ezekiel 39:28 and Matthew 24:31.

Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 is close. Work on your timeline chart of events for Daniel 9's 7 year 70th week. Or you can just follow mine.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The nation of Israel came back to life on May 14, 1948. Fulfilling part of Isaiah 66:7-8, a nation born at once, brought forth in one day.

1967, the Jews regained Jerusalem, fulfilling part of the fig tree generation parable that will experience Jesus's Return. Which Jesus, my servant David of Ezekiel 37, will be their whole house of Israel's King of Israel forever. And at that time, fulfill the completion of every single Jew brought back to the land of Israel in Ezekiel 39:28 and Matthew 24:31.

Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 is close. Work on your timeline chart of events for Daniel 9's 7 year 70th week. Or you can just follow mine.

You have already stated this has already been fulfilled Doug.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

You didn't say it will be fulfilled when Christ comes and raises the dead out of their graves.You said they have already been raised out of their graves long before Christ comes.


Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.




You said this was fulfilled in 1948.According to you ,Israel has been brought up out of their graves and have the spirit of God in them .The whole house of Israel .
According to you Jesus didn't need to come to bring them up out of their graves.

 

[douggg]

You didn't say it will be fulfilled when Christ comes and raises the dead out of their graves.You said they have already been raised out of their graves long before Christ comes.

The vision that Ezekiel was presented of the dry bones was a metaphorical representation of the lost hope of there ever being one nation again. At the time of Ezekiel, Israel was not united. There was the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom.

That's why its says in verse 11 "we are cut off from our parts", i.e. the tribes of the north cutoff from the tribes in the south and vice versa.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

The prophesy is about reuniting Israel as one nation again. Read verses 19-22, the two sticks, about God making them one nation in the land, verse 22.

The term "whole house of Israel" is not meaning each individual person - which what I am thinking is the way you are interpreting the valley of dry bones. For thing not everyone had died and was buried in one valley, but all around the world.

So you have to realize that the vision is not talking about the resurrection of dead as you are trying to make it, but about the restoration of Israel as being one nation again.

That happen on May 14, 1948 as a fulfillment of the nation born in one day in Isaiah 66:7-8.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The vision that Ezekiel was presented of the dry bones was a metaphorical representation of the lost hope of there ever being one nation again. At the time of Ezekiel, Israel was not united. There was the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom.

That's why its says in verse 11 "we are cut off from our parts", i.e. the tribes of the north cutoff from the tribes in the south and vice versa.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

The prophesy is about reuniting Israel as one nation again. Read verses 19-22, the two sticks, about God making them one nation in the land, verse 22.

The term "whole house of Israel" is not meaning each individual person - which what I am thinking is the way you are interpreting the valley of dry bones. For thing not everyone had died and was buried in one valley, but all around the world.

So you have to realize that the vision is not talking about the resurrection of dead as you are trying to make it, but about the restoration of Israel as being one nation again.

That happen on May 14, 1948 as a fulfillment of the nation born in one day in Isaiah 66:7-8.

Well,you seem to have gotten the order of things wrong.
First God says he will cause tendons,flesh and skin to come up upon the bones of the people of Israel.
Second he will bring them up out of their graves.
Third he will give the people of Israel his spirit.
Forth he will gather them into their own land.


You seem to be missing quite a bit of scripture.
You are missing steps one ,two and three.





7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The vision that Ezekiel was presented of the dry bones was a metaphorical representation of the lost hope of there ever being one nation again. At the time of Ezekiel, Israel was not united. There was the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom.

That's why its says in verse 11 "we are cut off from our parts", i.e. the tribes of the north cutoff from the tribes in the south and vice versa.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

The prophesy is about reuniting Israel as one nation again. Read verses 19-22, the two sticks, about God making them one nation in the land, verse 22.

The term "whole house of Israel" is not meaning each individual person - which what I am thinking is the way you are interpreting the valley of dry bones. For thing not everyone had died and was buried in one valley, but all around the world.

So you have to realize that the vision is not talking about the resurrection of dead as you are trying to make it, but about the restoration of Israel as being one nation again.

That happen on May 14, 1948 as a fulfillment of the nation born in one day in Isaiah 66:7-8.

PS
The whole house of Israel is every single person.God does not leave any behind.

not leaving any behind.

Ezekiel 39:28
Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.



The whole house of Israel is all the members of Israel who names are written.They are all brought forth on the same day.


at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


Daniel 12:1-2
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[douggg]

PS
The whole house of Israel is every single person.God does not leave any behind.

not leaving any behind.

Ezekiel 39:28
Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.

That verse is not speaking about the resurrection. But the gathering of everyone descended from the twelve tribes scattered around the world at the time of Jesus's Second Coming. That verse corresponds to Matthew 24:31.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

That verse is not speaking about the resurrection. But the gathering of everyone descended from the twelve tribes scattered around the world at the time of Jesus's Second Coming. That verse corresponds to Matthew 24:31.

So you believe God will leave all the prophets who are dead and buried behind?

You believe Moses,Jeremiah and Daniel will never be gathered into the land of Israel?

They will have to come up out of their graves before they are gathered into the land of Israel.

 

[douggg]

Well,you seem to have gotten the order of things wrong.
First God says he will cause tendons,flesh and skin to come up upon the bones of the people of Israel.
Second he will bring them up out of their graves.
Third he will give the people of Israel his spirit.
Forth he will gather them into their own land.

No one is resurrected back to life without believing in Jesus, FIRST ! The valley of dry bones vision is not talking about the resurrection of individuals, but restoring the two kingdoms back into one kingdom.

Verses 12-22 make it clear that valley of dry bones vision is metaphorically referring to the restoration of the two nations of the northern kingdom and of the southern kingdom back into being one nation again.

Ezekiel was told to go and prophesy about the vision to his people.....

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

So in verse 18, God tells Ezekiel when Ezekiel speaks to his people about the vision, verses 12-17, - they are going to ask - What does the vision mean ?

Then in verses 19-22, Ezekiel is told what to say to them about the meaning of the vision. That it is that the two kingdoms will be reunited into one nation again.

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

That prophesy was fulfilled on May 14, 1948

Verse 23-25 is when the people of Israel are one nation again - they will turn to Jesus (not happened yet) and will cleansed from their sins.

And when Jesus returns, He will be the one king over them, referred to as David my servant.

 

[douggg]

So you believe God will leave all the prophets who are dead and buried behind?

You believe Moses,Jeremiah and Daniel will never be gathered into the land of Israel?

They will have to come up out of their graves before they are gathered into the land of Israel.

The rapture/resurrection of the dead in Christ and the translation of the living in Christ is when Moses, Jeremiah, Daniel, John, Paul, Matthew, Peter, the rest of the apostles and prophets among them will receive their eternal life, immortal, incorruptible bodies. Taken to heaven in those everlasting bodies

To return with Jesus at His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 37 is not speaking about that rapture/resurrection event.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No one is resurrected back to life without believing in Jesus, FIRST ! The valley of dry bones vision is not talking about the resurrection of individuals, but restoring the two kingdoms back into one kingdom.

Verses 12-22 make it clear that valley of dry bones vision is metaphorically referring to the restoration of the two nations of the northern kingdom and of the southern kingdom back into being one nation again.

Ezekiel was told to go and prophesy about the vision to his people.....

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

So in verse 18, God tells Ezekiel when Ezekiel speaks to his people about the vision, verses 12-17, - they are going to ask - What does the vision mean ?

Then in verses 19-22, Ezekiel is told what to say to them about the meaning of the vision. That it is that the two kingdoms will be reunited into one nation again.

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

That prophesy was fulfilled on May 14, 1948

Verse 23-25 is when the people of Israel are one nation again - they will turn to Jesus (not happened yet) and will cleansed from their sins.

And when Jesus returns, He will be the one king over them, referred to as David my servant.

It's like you don't understand what a grave is.You believe it's like going on vacation to Mexico.A Jew packs his bags and goes to Mexico and you believe he has come out of his grave.

A grave is where a dead person lays in the ground Doug.Its a very simple concept.When you die ,someone will dig a hole in the ground and lower you down into the ground.Hopefilly they will bury you in a grave before you start decomposing and stinking real bad.Then they will cover you up with dirt nice and firm like .Plant some glass over you and there you will stay till hopefully someone will call you out if your lucky.But In the meantime while you are in your grave rotting away ,your bones will dry out to the point there just seems to be no hope.

That's what a grave is Doug.

God says he will bring Israel up out of their graves.Now graves are plural,meaning there will be many graves open.Enough graves opened that there will be a great army of people.

Do you comprehend what a grave is now Doug?If you believe you understand what a grave is,then read about Israel being brought up.out of their graves.If you don't understand what a grave is,perhaps you should give up trying to understand Ezekiel.



Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,




The Lord just mentioned Israel graves four times in two verses.Have you learned what a grave is yet?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The rapture/resurrection of the dead in Christ and the translation of the living in Christ is when Moses, Jeremiah, Daniel, John, Paul, Matthew, Peter, the rest of the apostles and prophets among them will receive their eternal life, immortal, incorruptible bodies. Taken to heaven in those everlasting bodies

To return with Jesus at His Second Coming.

Ezekiel 37 is not speaking about that rapture/resurrection event.

No,they are gathered to Christ at his second coming.That is when Israel comes out of their graves.


28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Mathew 24

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.





The angles are the eagles who are gathered to the carcass.The carcass are the dead who are brought up out of their graves.

 

[douggg]

No,they are gathered to Christ at his second coming.That is when Israel comes out of their graves.


28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Mathew 24

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The angles are the eagles who are gathered to the carcass.The carcass are the dead who are brought up out of their graves.

No, verse 28 is indicating that near the very end of the great tribulation there will be dead bodies everywhere, feasted up by the eagles.

The battles of Daniel 11:40-44 will be taking place, and also the third of mankind killed when the kings of the east march west to the middle east, in the prelude to Armageddon.

Those battles will suddenly stop when the world sees the sign of the Son of man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a), the sixth seal event of Revelation 6, when the powers of heaven will be shaken.

Upon seeing the sign of the Son of man in heaven, the kings of the earth stop against the beast-king, and will unite under him to prepare to make war on Jesus, assembling their armies at Armageddon. And taking half of Jerusalem as hostages (Zechariah 14:2).

Jesus then descends down to the earth, as the world sees Him coming in power and great glory.

Then in verse 31, Jesus sends his angels to gather the elect, the Jews still scattered around the world, back to the land of Israel. No-one is being resurrected from the dead in that verse. It is a gathering of living persons, Jews, at that time from the nations.

It is not the rapture/resurrection event. Angels do not resurrected the dead, nor translate the living. Jesus does.

Verse 31 repeats what God said in Deuteronomy 30:1-6.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Matthew 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.