When God gathers Israel into the land of Israel.

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It is a "picture" of the nation of Israel as judicially SCATTERED (i.e. saying, "OUR HOPE IS LOST"). In the same way that Isa26 uses the word/phrase "DUST OF THE EARTH" or "DWELL IN DUST" (speaking of the graveyard OF NATIONS, where they've been judicially SCATTERED--not physically [and individually] DEAD)






Just like when Scripture refers to THIS guy, it is NOT suggesting that he was "resurrected FROM THE DEAD" for this role he's given here:

"Forasmuch as I exalted thee out of the dust, and made thee prince over my people Israel; and thou hast walked in the way of Jeroboam, and hast made my people Israel to sin, to provoke me to anger with their sins;"

...no, that's a living person... but the language is such (as in Isa26) that it SOUNDS LIKE he was "buried in the ground/grave".



In Ezekiel 37, the "dry bones" prophecy, it is using PICTURE-LANGUAGE to describe Israel's present state (judicially SCATTERED / INTO THE NATIONS--but this passage goes onto show its REVERSAL--i.e. them being brought back INTO THEIR LAND [yet future to us, just like Romans 11:15,25,27 / Isa27:9,12-13 / Matt24:29-31 / Dan9:24parts ALSO SAYS... not to mention the other parallel passages I listed in my previous posts, ALL of them LIKENING THIS UNTO 'a resurrection']

The dust of the earth is not a grave yard of nations.The dust of the earth is where people are buried.
They come up out of their graves were they were buried.

Daniel 12:1-2
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.



The whole house of Israel comes forth at the same time.
 

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a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


The whole house of Israel comes forth at the same time.
This Daniel passage (vv.1-4) are referring to the MID-trib point in time(+), and verse 3b tells what the WISE of them (that is, the WISE of the nation of Israel [v.10 also]) will GO ON to DO: "turn many to righteousness".

These are "still-living"/ALIVE/MORTALS doing this (IN the TRIB yrs!)... turning many to righteousness.



That's NOT what happens when the "formerly-physically-DEAD" OT saints will be bodily resurrected from the dead (at the END of the TRIB yrs, per v.13 ...and other related passages of scripture [Rev20:4b, etc]). It's TOO LATE for such a thing, at THAT point in the chronology!
 

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"SHALL AWAKE [H6974]" ^ (which I bolded in BLUE in your quote) is the SAME WORD as used in Isaiah 26:19 (SEE ENTIRE CONTEXT, vv13-21 and the comments I made earlier about that entire passage, speaking of the nation of Israel... and how it RELATES to what is being said about Israel in Rom11:15[,25,27]!! Not about "physically-dead individuals").



If there were JUST the ONE passage (Ezek37), you might have an argument worth considering... but there are MANY (ALL "LIKENING" this to 'a resurrection')!!







[same as in Hosea 2:23a - "And I will sow her unto me in the earth;"... is NOT speaking of being BURIED (/physically dead)]
 

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And let us not forget.God says he will puit his spirit in the people of Israel when opens their graves and brings them into the land promised to Jacob.
If it is according to how you suggest the passage to mean, tell me, why wasn't "his spirit" in them BEFORE they physically died (as you say), i.e. as "saved" persons (persons of "faith"), since these are being resurrected to LIFE?






[and BTW, are you also referring to those whom Acts 7:35,39,41,42, etc speak of??]
 
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This Daniel passage (vv.1-4) are referring to the MID-trib point in time(+), and verse 3b tells what the WISE of them (that is, the WISE of the nation of Israel [v.10 also]) will GO ON to DO: "turn many to righteousness".

These are "still-living"/ALIVE/MORTALS doing this (IN the TRIB yrs!)... turning many to righteousness.



That's NOT what happens when the "formerly-physically-DEAD" OT saints will be bodily resurrected from the dead (at the END of the TRIB yrs, per v.13 ...and other related passages of scripture [Rev20:4b, etc]). It's TOO LATE for such a thing, at THAT point in the chronology!
Daniel 12:1-2 is not a mid trib.It is the time of great tribulation when the dead are raised out of their graves.

The wise were imprisoned and killed the previous 42 months from Daniel 11:33-Dan 12:1-2.
 
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If it is according to how you suggest the passage to mean, tell me, why wasn't "his spirit" in them BEFORE they physically died (as you say), i.e. as "saved" persons (persons of "faith"), since these are being resurrected to LIFE?






[and BTW, are you also referring to those whom Acts 7:35,39,41,42, etc speak of??]

Who said the holy spirit wasn't in them before they died?
When you die,the holy Spirit returns to God who gave it.You go down into a grave untill the resurrection .That is why Israel is in their graves before they are gathered at the time of the end.


wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Mathew 24
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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Daniel 12:1-2 is not a mid trib.It is the time of great tribulation when the dead are raised out of their graves.
I'm saying "the GREAT tribulation" commences at the MID-point of the 7 yrs (Dan12:1-4's reference-point ["AT THAT TIME"]), when 1260 days are yet remaining to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (Rev19); i.e. the day-amounts that Dan12:6-7 refer to (same as in Dan7:25[,27] and others... Rev12:6,14...).

The wise were imprisoned and killed the previous 42 months from Daniel 11:33-Dan 12:1-2.
While I agree that Dan11:36 to Dan11-end speaks of the FIRST HALF, I don't really agree that 100% of the WISE of Israel will be KILLED in that first half (some survive CLEAR TO THE END and ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies--"BLESSED is he that WAITETH and COMETH TO the 1335 days"--i.e. still-living; corresponding with about 7-8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking to this same matter! ["BLESSED"=Rev19:9 (plural "they HAVING BEEN INVITED TO the wedding FEAST/SUPPER..." [i.e. the earthly MK]); Matt24:46; Lk12:37,43; etc etc...]--all passages showing STILL-LIVING mortals ENTERING the MK age [as "saved" persons / believers; NO "UNbelievers" will ENTER!]--these folks never lift off the earth!)
 
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I'm saying "the GREAT tribulation" commences at the MID-point of the 7 yrs (Dan12:1-4's reference-point ["AT THAT TIME"]), when 1260 days are yet remaining to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (Rev19); i.e. the day-amounts that Dan12:6-7 refer to (same as in Dan7:25[,27] and others... Rev12:6,14...).



While I agree that Dan11:36 to Dan11-end speaks of the FIRST HALF, I don't really agree that 100% of the WISE of Israel will be KILLED in that first half (some survive CLEAR TO THE END and ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies--"BLESSED is he that WAITETH and COMETH TO the 1335 days"--i.e. still-living; corresponding with about 7-8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking to this same matter! ["BLESSED"=Rev19:9 (plural "they HAVING BEEN INVITED TO the wedding FEAST/SUPPER..." [i.e. the earthly MK]); Matt24:46; Lk12:37,43; etc etc...]--all passages showing STILL-LIVING mortals ENTERING the MK age [as "saved" persons / believers; NO "UNbelievers" will ENTER!]--these folks never lift off the earth!)


At the time of the end

The time of the end is in Daniel 11:40.There is no 7 years after the end.There is no 3.5 years after the end.

Daniel 11:40
At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.


Paul said the son of perdition would be destroyed at Christs coming.The son of perdition comes to his end in Daniel 11:45 and the dead are raised in Daniel 12:2.

There are no 1260 days after the end.
 

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Ezekiel chapter 37 gives a great account of the events when God gathers Israel into the land of Israel.How he causes flesh to form on the people of Israels bones and then will bring them up out of their graves.He will breath his holy spirit into Israel and will then bring Israel into their own land.
Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

The Hebrews will not actually come up out of their graves but it means that God will make Israel a nation again, and all the tribes shall be together as one, and they shall prosper like the days of old, and even better.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The disciples knew that one day God would restore the kingdom on earth back to Israel.

Because the nation of Israel did not accept Jesus as the Messiah the Roman Empire overthrew Jerusalem, and the Hebrews were scattered in to the world.

Which Jesus said that because they rejected Him then their house would be left unto them desolate until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and so all Israel shall be saved at that time for they will acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Savior.

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance on God's part which He called them so He will always restore them, and the kingdom will be restored to Israel after they have borne their shame for rejecting the truth.

The ordinances of heaven are still in affect, the sun, moon, and stars, so God's covenant is still with Israel, and He has not cast them away.

God will gather the whole house of Israel back to their land, and leave none of them in the nations, and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

God is love, and loves all people, but He has to end sin on earth one day.

So God is allowing the world to have their way for 7 years, and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ/antichrist, and when they take his mark then salvation is no longer available to them, and He will end sin on earth.

This will start when the New Age Christ negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a 7 years peace treaty.

He will then start working in the world, and he will push the agenda of the new age movement which he will think to change times and laws, which the new age movement interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and there is no personal God.

This peace treaty will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will make it happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Hebrews.

For the first three and one half years salvation is available to the world, but they stopped the preaching of anything taught contrary to the new age movement which will be the time the people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but hear the Bible according to the new age movement that exalts people, and there is no personal God above them.

For the first three and one half years they will prepare the cities to move all people to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people become the police force of the cities.

Which is United Nations Agenda 21, a sustainability act, which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992, and it is more popular now.

When the people are moved to the cities then they will be given a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They will know the location of people, can track their movements, and watch them, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system, which no person can buy or sell except those that have the chip.

The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, but mankind's technology, and devices, can help to have peace on earth.

Which the microchip will be the mark of the beast for it is the world's solution to have peace not acknowledging a personal God.

At the middle of the 7 years period the transgressors have come to the full and the New Age Christ will claim to be God.

When they take his mark the microchip then salvation is no longer available to them, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God will then send Israel 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah for the last three and one half years, and at the end of that time Israel as a nation will be in the truth which then they will see Jesus.

The kingdom will be restored to Israel which they will be the only kingdom operating on earth, and the Gentile governments will cease to operate.
 

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When the people are moved to the cities then they will be given a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.
Only question is: a microchip? OR: simply "a mark [like a tattoo?]" on the
THIN skin of the forehead, of people with "no right hand"?

Amen.
 
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Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

The Hebrews will not actually come up out of their graves but it means that God will make Israel a nation again, and all the tribes shall be together as one, and they shall prosper like the days of old, and even better.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
11:27 Fothen they will see Jesus.

The kingdom will be restored to Israel which they will be the only kingdom operating on earth, and the Gentile governments will cease to operate.


God actually says he will bring israel.out of their graves.I understand you don't believe God will do that or perhaps you don't believe he can .But that is exactly what God says he will do.

Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,


Jesus also said the same thing but i wouldnt expect you to believe him if you didnt believe God's word in Ezekiel.

John 5:28
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 
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Only question is: a microchip? OR: simply "a mark [like a tattoo?]" on the
THIN skin of the forehead, of people with "no right hand"?

Amen.
The beast in the land of Israel has already been talking about giving all.of his subjects in Israel a microchip.
He mentioned this a couple years ago but I don't expect everyone in Israel to be given it for another year.