MYSTERY, BABYLON

[eternally-gratefull]

Take a look at a Jewish calendar.

Spot any babylonian paganry?

And talking about zionism is a strawman. The Mother of Harlots is apostate Hebrewism, which circumnavigates Gods law with oral traditions. TALMUDISM. These guys INVENTED the game dude. They made the first system to EVER go against Gods Law. They are the MOTHER system. They went awhoring after idols, cheating on God.

Pagans never cheated on God. They were never betrothed to Him. They were simply the LOVERS of apostate Israel, the harlot bride, just as scripture describes.

Or I could take a look at babalonialsim, and what their priest did after babylon was destroyed. It made it largest impact on the world in the thing known as Greek mythology and roman mythology. It was around longe before any hebrew was even thought of. It was this system who the jews played the harlot with.

Babylon did not start AFTER the hebrew race. It started at the tower of babel.

Sorry. I don't twist reality to make my beliefs come true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD:
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html


by Michael Hoffman - RAISED jewish: now CHRISTIAN.


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Another web site.

This is going to tell me how babylon was formed at the tower of babel. Was distributed around the world when God confused the languages. Was the "harlot" the jews "played with" . And ended up in rome? Israel did not make these things up. The scritures I have been posting told us they got it from the origional owners of the land. Long before their babylonian captivity was even started. they were sent to babylon because they played the harlot with the mother of harlots. The did not make it up or start it.

Zone my sis., I love ya and all. But I am really surprised at you.

 

[Strangelove]

Funny how everything I said is contained in this one passage.

1. The city is the people.

Right! So your correcting yourself on another error when you earlier said the Mother cant be Jerusalem coz the city was destroyed in 70AD. Whats next?

2. They played the harlot by playing with pagan Gods and the pagan people, who is the actual "mother"

So lemme get this stright, the Mother is not RCC anymore its just paganism?

Where does scripture ever call any kind of paganism a whore?

I see it called LOVERS.

Ezekiel called Jerusalem a HARLOT. Is Ezekiel a false prophet?

3. They will be punished severely for their sin.

Already have been.

4. One day. They will repent, God will remember his ETERNAL COVENANT WITH THEM. and they will be restored.

How many times do I need to ask you this to get a straight answer?

By repent, do you mean acknowledge Jesus as Saviour, Messiah, Lord AND GOD??

Yay or Nay?

Now do you want to keep making yourself look bad and continue this conversation? Or do you want to admit the prophesies like this, The other passage in Ezekial about the dry bones. The passage in Daniel and romans 11 all whos Israel played the harlot. She is punished for those crimes. But one day she will repent. And God will return her to her land.

Yes I'll carry on till Jesus returns mate. And by the looks of how many sound minded Christians are telling you your wrong I would seriously have a long hard think about this.

To reject his is to reject the prophesies of God.

That mantra is getting well boring.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.

6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

The woman is described as a prostitute and she's described as committing adulteries. If you don't divorce this text from the OT covenant language, it's pretty easy to see who the harlot and prostitute is. It's Israel! The OT describes Israel as God's wife. Who else could prostitute and adulterate themselves from God? This is clearly speaking of Israel who had killed the prophets, Jesus and even the Christians.

I don't have to divorce OT text. All I have to do is know who a harlot is. A harlot is a false wife./ One who takes the place of the wife. Adultry is commited when the one who is married plays with the prostitute and makes her act as his wife.

if we look at what a harlot is. Israel could not be the harlot. Because as you so rightly said. SHE IS THE WIFE.

A wife does not cheat by sleeping with herself. She cheats by sleeping with the harlot.

Notice the link between the prostitute and the 'kings of the earth' and the beast.

The Jews joined with the Romans, who at that time were like the kings of the Earth, they joined with them to crucify Jesus and persecute the church. Read the gospels and Acts. This link is undeniable.

ok. I get it. The jews did start all of the pegan ritual and tradition in rome when they went to rome. And none of this was there before the jews went to rome. So Rome was not a pagan nation and head of the pagan empire before Israel and these jews went to rome.

Thanks I will keep this in mind.

I am not trying to argue are force anyone to see it my way. I am just telling you WHY I CAN NOT SEE IT YOUR WAY.

why are so many offended because I can not see what you see??

 

[Strangelove]

Or I could take a look at babalonialsim, and what their priest did after babylon was destroyed. It made it largest impact on the world in the thing known as Greek mythology and roman mythology. It was around longe before any hebrew was even thought of. It was this system who the jews played the harlot with.

Babylon did not start AFTER the hebrew race. It started at the tower of babel.

Sorry. I don't twist reality to make my beliefs come true.

Saying that paganism has been around forever doesnt effect the debate. No-one is debating that.

It's irrelevant. The fact that apostate Israel took bits of her LOVERS pagan rituals and incorporated them into her system is not denied by anyone.

The point is WHO the Mother of harlots is. Scripture says its Jerusalem.

Is Ezekiel a false prophet?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Right! So your correcting yourself on another error when you earlier said the Mother cant be Jerusalem coz the city was destroyed in 70AD. Whats next?



So lemme get this stright, the Mother is not RCC anymore its just paganism?

Where does scripture ever call any kind of paganism a whore?

I see it called LOVERS.

Ezekiel called Jerusalem a HARLOT. Is Ezekiel a false prophet?



Already have been.



How many times do I need to ask you this to get a straight answer?

By repent, do you mean acknowledge Jesus as Saviour, Messiah, Lord AND GOD??

Yay or Nay?



Yes I'll carry on till Jesus returns mate. And by the looks of how many sound minded Christians are telling you your wrong I would seriously have a long hard think about this.



That mantra is getting well boring.

dude I am done with you. You twist everything I say and try to make it look like I am the one twisting. No one can have a conversation with you because you twist everything everyone says!

Go live in your world. I hope your happy!!

there go ahead. STICK YOUR HAND IN MY FACE AGAIN!! I hope it makes you happy!!

as for me. i agree to disagree. hold no grudge. nor will I condemn you for your belief. IT IS NOT SALVIC

 

[Strangelove]

Another web site.

This is going to tell me how babylon was formed at the tower of babel. Was distributed around the world when God confused the languages. Was the "harlot" the jews "played with" . And ended up in rome? Israel did not make these things up. The scritures I have been posting told us they got it from the origional owners of the land. Long before their babylonian captivity was even started. they were sent to babylon because they played the harlot with the mother of harlots. The did not make it up or start it.

Zone my sis., I love ya and all. But I am really surprised at you.

You need to read Digital Angels fallacies thread. You are displaying the whole range in your last few posts.

LINK: Logical Fallacies

 

[1still_waters]

Lol you do now that the Roman Empire had many many religions.

*sigh*

Futurists..................

*face palm*

 

[1still_waters]

Face palming outta frustration. I've just been set free from all that futuristic stuff, and it feels freeing. But that's just me.

 

[Strangelove]

I don't have to divorce OT text. All I have to do is know who a harlot is. A harlot is a false wife./ One who takes the place of the wife. Adultry is commited when the one who is married plays with the prostitute and makes her act as his wife.

if we look at what a harlot is. Israel could not be the harlot. Because as you so rightly said. SHE IS THE WIFE.

Then Ezekiel is a false prophet yes, when he talks to Jerusalem thus:

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:

HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Face palming outta frustration. I've just been set free from all that futuristic stuff, and it feels freeing. But that's just me.

Frustration goes both ways. But one offers and end to argument. And even says it is not worth arguing over, we should agree to disagree. because it is not a salvic nature. and not worth losing a friendship over. Then that person face palms ys. That is outa line. in my book.

As for futuristic stuff. I love it. I am free with what I believe. I have no worries. no fears. My eternity is not based on it. Thank God!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol you do now that the Roman Empire had many many religions.

*sigh*

Futurists..................

*face palm*

lol.. see now this face palm was done outa fun.. And thats cool.

Yeah I do know that.

But I also know there was a major part of those religions born out of babylon. Who had all the haracteristics I have showed. has nothing to do with OT covenant. Even if I did not believe in covenant theology. I would not agree that these jewish talmuds or whatever was babylon. I do not see them fitting the characteristics of babylon. or of the characteristics given in revelation.

I am just as frustrated as you my friend. It is clear as day to me. I can't see why you don't see it. So seems we both see the same thing in this area.

But our friendship is not dependant on you believing as I do.

God bless us all

 

[Strangelove]

As for futuristic stuff. I love it. I am free with what I believe. I have no worries. no fears. My eternity is not based on it. Thank God!!

Then why did you say before your worried about where your next meal is coming from and about having peace from your enemies?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then why did you say before your worried about where your next meal is coming from and about having peace from your enemies?

see what I mean about twisting stuff?? And this guy wonders why I am done with him..

 

[AnandaHya]

debating between this one...

or this one...

hmmmm.....

of course this one is pretty too, which do you think we can dress up the discussion with? add a little sparkle to it all...

 

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The Babylonian Talmud

THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD

"My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament). for in the laws of the Torah there are positive and negative precepts;15 but, as to the laws of the Scribes, whoever transgresses any of the enactments of the Scribes incurs the penalty of death."

-Talmud - Erubin 21b (Soncino edition)

"Those who devote themselves to reading the Bible exercise a certain virtue, but not very much; those who study the Mishnah exercise virtue for which they will receive a reward; those however who take upon themselves to study the Gemara exercise the highest virtue"

- Bava Metzia 33a

 

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The Babylonian Talmud

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

1. He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2. He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3. He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Jewish source here - Who Was Jesus?

this is the unpardonable sin.

 

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The Babylonian Talmud

The Jewish Encyclopedia says that Jesus is described in the Talmud.

"The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each independent of the others—(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu'") that originated in the Middle Ages. It is the tendency of all these sources to be-little the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. In view of their general character they are called indiscriminately legends."

"It is certain, in any case, that the rabbinical sources also regard Jesus as the "son of Pandera", although it is noteworthy that he is called also "Ben Sṭada" (Shab. 104b; Sanh. 67a)."

"According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud(Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it;"


"Different in nature is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot."

"A passage of the Talmud (Sanh. 43a) ascribes five disciples to Jesus: "Matthai" (Matthew), "Nakai" (Luke), "Nezer" (Nazarene, a general designation for Christian in antiquity), "Boni" (probably the Nicodemus mentioned by John), and "Thoda" (Thaddæus). The following are mentioned in the "Toledot" (Huldricus, p. 35): "Simeon" (Peter), "Matthia" (Matthew), "Elikum" (Luke), "Mordecai" (Mark), "Thoda" (Thaddæus), and "Johannos" (John)—that is, the four evangelists plus Peter and Thaddæus. Paul is mentioned in another connection, and (p. 48) Judas "the betrayer": it is to be noted that the last-named does not occur at all in Talmudic legends."

"some medieval apologists for Judaism, as Naḥmanides and Salman Ẓebi, based on this fact their assertion that the "Yeshu'" mentioned in the Talmud was not identical with Jesus; this, however, is merely a subterfuge."

"Jesus performed all his miracles by means of magic"

LINK: jewishencyclopedia.com - Jesus

 

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The Babylonian Talmud

Maimonides

Moses ben-Maimon, called Maimonides and also known as Rambam, was a preeminent medieval Jewish philosopher and one of the greatest Torah scholars and physicians of the Middle Ages. He was born in Córdoba, Spain on Passover Eve, 1135, and died in Egypt (or Tiberias) on 20th Tevet, December 12, 1204.[8] He was a rabbi, physician and philosopher in Morocco and Egypt.

Although his writings on Jewish law and ethics were met with respectful opposition during his life, he was posthumously acknowledged to be one of the foremost rabbinical arbiters and philosophers in Jewish history, his copious work a cornerstone of Jewish scholarship. His fourteen-volume Mishneh Torah still carries canonical authority as a codification of Talmudic law. In the Yeshiva world he is known as "haNesher haGadol" (the great eagle) in recognition of his outstanding status as a bona fide exponent of the Oral Torah, particularly on account of the manner in which his Mishneh Torah is elucidated by Talmudic scholar, Chaim Soloveitchik.

LINK: Maimonides - WIKI

 

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The Babylonian Talmud

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Madda » Avodah Kochavim » Chapter Nine

Halacha 4

The Canaanites are idol worshipers, and Sunday is their festival. Accordingly, in Eretz Yisrael, it is forbidden to conduct transactions with them on Thursday and Friday each and every week, and, needless to say, on Sunday itself, when transactions with them are forbidden everywhere.

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Kedushah » MaAchalot Assurot » Chapter 11

With regard to any gentile who does not serve false deities, e.g., the Arabs: It is forbidden to drink his wine, but it is permitted to benefit from it. The Geonim rule in this manner. With regard to those who worship false deities, by contrast, it is forbidden to benefit from their ordinary wine

FOOTNOTE: [Our translation follows the standard version of the Mishneh Torah. The uncensored text reads: "Christians, by contrast, are idolaters. It is forbidden to benefit...." The Rama (Orach Chayim 155:1) rules that Christianity violates only the prohibition against ****uf, worshipping another entity together with God, and gentiles are not prohibited against such worship. It must be emphasized that today, though many gentiles are nominally Christian, their observance is minimal and they have an awareness of monotheism.
See also the statements of the Rama (Yoreh De'ah 123:1, 124:24) who quotes opinions that maintain that in the present age, it is not customary for gentiles to pour wine as libations to false deities. Nevertheless, the prohibition against drinking such wine, however, remains intact.]

Mishneh Torah » Sefer Shofetim » Melachim uMilchamot » Chapter 8

By the same regard, Moses was commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants.

If one does not accept these commands, he should be executed. A person who formally accepts these commands is called a resident alien. This applies in any place. This acceptance must be made in the presence of three Torah scholars.

~

see Revelation Chapter 20