the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

I’m sorry you view my observation as “name calling.” Many of your replies are completely irrelevant to one’s query.

I answer to the best of my abilities and what God places on my heart.

 

[Sipsey]

I answer to the best of my abilities and what God places on my heart.

That says a lot, thank you. I find I often convey more, the less I say.
Kinda like a favorite quote of mine from Mark Twain. “I wrote a long letter to you, because I didn’t have time to write a shorter reply.”

 

[mailmandan]

I'm expecting a Yes or No answer to my questions from post #1,112.

 

[Magenta]

Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.
Matthew 5:37

 

[TMS]

A former member of Christian Chat who was a SDA basically said exactly what you just said above out of one side of his mouth, then out of the other side of his mouth said this below:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Do you agree with his statement above in blue? That same SDA also promoted the teaching that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Do you agree with that teaching as well?

Do you agree with the verses below? ... Yes or no please.. If you answer these, i'll answer the above.
Roms 3:31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Jas 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[TMS]

Yes i agree with the fact that the gospel and the law can not be seperated.

Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel are in a similar error. They set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, “They are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Both present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker.

do you agree? that both the Old and New testament are important to understanding the gospel?

 

[TMS]

It isn't about what we believe but about what the bible states.

should we follow Jesus in obediance or not?

 

[mailmandan]

Do you agree with the verses below? ... Yes or no please.. If you answer these, i'll answer the above.
Roms 3:31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Jas 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So still no Yes or No answer to my questions from Sabbathblessing. That speaks volumes and I'll take that as a Yes. I agree with those verses. I just don't agree with SDA/misguided teach of the law eisegesis. We establish or uphold the law (Romans 3:31) by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4) If the law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose, it has not yet been fulfilled. If the law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save us. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. Praise God!

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It isn't about what we believe but about what the bible states.

should we follow Jesus in obediance or not?

Yes because the bible says two things to be saved.

Believe and be baptized and you will be saved.

But you have to be baptised with the Holy Spirit to receive salvation.

Because when you believe your only saved at that point.

Its like the Sheep who hear his voice and follow,

One sheep can still go missing before it's had its hair cut, for many reasons 😃

 

[mailmandan]

Yes i agree with the fact that the gospel and the law can not be separated.

Do you agree with that statement in blue about the 10 commandments being part of the plan of salvation and the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ in post #1,112? I hope you realize that statement culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

Many who claim to believe and to teach the gospel are in a similar error. They set aside the Old Testament Scriptures, of which Christ declared, “They are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. In rejecting the Old, they virtually reject the New; for both are parts of an inseparable whole. No man can rightly present the law of God without the gospel, or the gospel without the law. The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Both present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker.

It's not about setting aside the Old Testament Scriptures or setting aside the fact that the Old Testament sheds light upon the New Testament. It's about mixing law and grace, faith and works. (Romans 10:4; 11:4; Galatians 2:16; 2:21; 3:10; Philippians 3:9 etc..). They don't mix.

do you agree? that both the Old and New Testament are important to understanding the gospel?

Old Testament sacrifices foreshadowed the sacrifice of Christ. (Hebrews 10:1-18) Also Isaiah 53:5 gives us a prophecy about the coming sacrifice of Christ. Is this what you are talking about?

 

[mailmandan]

Believe and be baptized and you will be saved.

Is that what we read in John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..). NO. What happened to "and be baptized" in those verses? You need to stop hanging your hat on one half of one verse and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Is that what we read in John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..). NO. What happened to "and be baptized" in those verses? You need to stop hanging your hat on one half of one verse and properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

to be saved by faith still means you can receive salvation after you die, so this would not be condemning anyone.

To be saved by and with the Holy Spirit before you die would be recieving salvation before you die.

Again this is not condemning.

If we love God we obey his commandments.

If God knows we believe and he knows we obey his commands, It's only then will he treat us like Job the faithful servant.

In the sense It's only then is he confident to put you through the fire. Because he knows your faith will not faulter.

He wil not give anyone a task they can not follow and he will keep working with you like he did the Israelites for 40 years.

All tho I would rather I was an Edomite and have a feeling I could be an Edomite, i can't say thank God I'm not an Israelite. 😃. I must help the poor and needy and love my enemy

 

[Sipsey]

I now know why so many religious folk love casseroles; just throw a bunch of verses in a dish, mix it up, and bake at 350 for one hour ;-)

 

[rrcn]

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, according to the Bible. It is a day of rest and worship for God’s people. However, most Christians today observe Sunday, the first day of the week, as their day of worship. How and why did this change happen?
There is no clear evidence in the Bible that God, Jesus, or the apostles changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Bible consistently teaches the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath from Genesis to Revelation. Jesus and the apostles also kept the Sabbath and never commanded anyone to stop doing so.
The change from Saturday to Sunday was a gradual process that involved several factors, such as:

• The authority of the Catholic Church, which claimed the power to change God’s law and transfer the sanctity of the Sabbath to Sunday.
• The influence of sun worship, which was a popular pagan religion in the Roman Empire. Sunday was the day dedicated to the sun god, and many Christians adopted it to avoid persecution and blend in with the culture.
• The anti-Semitism of some Christians, who wanted to distance themselves from the Jews and their practices. They considered the Sabbath a Jewish institution and rejected it as a sign of their separation from Judaism.

These factors led to the development of Sunday as a day of rest and worship for mainstream Christianity, especially after the edicts of Emperor Constantine and the Council of Laodicea in the fourth century. However, some Christians throughout history have continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath as the true day of worship, according to the Bible.

 

[vassal]

You seem like a nice fellow, but you are as slippery as an eel when it comes to answering a question with plain language.

Some question are traps and need to be avoided or will cause disputes within believers which is not what a a true follower of Christ does.

 

[vassal]

The gospel message is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
What is the gospel message to you? Is it the same message in blue that I cited in post #1,112?

if this is true then you follow a gospel that is different from what Jesus was teaching as he came to announce the Kingdom of heaven and repentance. john the baptist who paved the way of the messiah said the same thing" Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near"

 

[Sipsey]

if this is true then you follow a gospel that is different from what Jesus was teaching as he came to announce the Kingdom of heaven and repentance. john the baptist who paved the way of the messiah said the same thing" Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near"

I see you stated that you were saved at birth. Where in the Gospel that Jesus proclaimed, does He say that you need only be born, and not “born again?”

 

[mailmandan]

if this is true then you follow a gospel that is different from what Jesus was teaching as he came to announce the Kingdom of heaven and repentance. john the baptist who paved the way of the messiah said the same thing" Repent for the kingdom of heaven is near"

So you believe the gospel which Paul preached negates the gospel that Jesus preached? Do you understand progressive revelation? You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Don't allow your confusion to keep you from believing the gospel.

See post #23 from the link below:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ding-to-the-gospel.213282/page-2#post-5198046

 

[Magenta]

You seem like a nice fellow, but you are as slippery as an eel when it comes to answering a question with plain language.

People who repeatedly and deliberately distort and misrepresent what other people say ought not be called nice.

 

[vassal]

So you believe the gospel which Paul preached negates the gospel that Jesus preached? Do you understand progressive revelation? You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Don't allow your confusion to keep you from believing the gospel.

So you believe the gospel which Paul preached negates the gospel that Jesus preached? Do you understand progressive revelation? You need to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Don't allow your confusion to keep you from believing the gospel.

See post #23 from the link below:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ding-to-the-gospel.213282/page-2#post-5198046

it is a nice post for the most part but I am not in agreement with the last part, I have a different view, a lot of people think Paul gave mysteries but it was explained way before by Jesus and the Old testament that Paul very frequently quotes not always naming his sources, what you mention about the disciples not understanding the resurrection is all true, Jesus through the holy spirit sent after his resurrection opened their understanding, for Paul, a well versed Pharisee he knew all this then from prophecy, Do not Forget that Jesus sent the disciples to the gentiles also, Peter was appointed by GOD to the gentiles, here is what Jesus said in the verses about the great commission in brief;

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
The disciples were also sent to the gentiles at one point. This was known and was not a mystery, also about Peter the head of the church. For mat 28:20, the disciples were exceedingly fruitful, we have most of that Jesus did and was teaching and his Gospel in the Books of of Mattew, Luke, John ans Mark.

as for Peter appointed to the gentiles;
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.