Shabbat (Intent-- not Timing)

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Anton said:
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That is correct, nonetheless the principles still apply to all. Even though we are no longer under the tutelage of the law, we still follow the rest of the 10 commandments just as we would follow the instructions of our loving parents although no longer under their care as adults.
Additionally the principles of the Sabbath precedes the Mosaic law and thus apply to all of mankind, as was mentioned is a gift not a burden.
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Not a burden? You are kidding, of course. Do you know the restrictions placed on people for sabbath observance? Do you know that the punishment for getting it wrong is death? Do you drive to church? Wrong. Do you walk? Not too far, that's work. Do you cook, wash dishes, or suchlike?

An adult following the instructions of their parents? That's equally absurd. It's also difficult for me. Both my parents are dead. My father was an atheist. I'm supposed to follow his instructions? I died to the law. I live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ my King. Do you not know that laws do not apply to dead people?
 
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Not a burden? You are kidding, of course. Do you know the restrictions placed on people for sabbath observance? Do you know that the punishment for getting it wrong is death? Do you drive to church? Wrong. Do you walk? Not too far, that's work. Do you cook, wash dishes, or suchlike?

An adult following the instructions of their parents? That's equally absurd. It's also difficult for me. Both my parents are dead. My father was an atheist. I'm supposed to follow his instructions? I died to the law. I live by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ my King. Do you not know that laws do not apply to dead people?
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Hello
You are correct in saying that if we had to obey the Sabbath law given to the Israelite it certainly would be a heavy burden especially in our days, but that is not what I said.
I clearly stated that as Christians we are NOT under the Mosaic law. Neither are we under the sabbatical system, but that it's principle still applied, that is quite different than being under law.
Also I mentioned that the Sabbath preceded the law given to Jews. However since we keep all of the other 10 commandments it should not be that difficult to obey the opening words of the 4th commandment that simply states "remember the Sabbath day" without any other burden or restrictions.
We can be grateful that Christ has free'd us from slavery to the law and that we can enjoy the freedom of God's children.
Keeping in mind or remembering one day of the week is a small token to offer to our creator.

Shalom
 
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Anton said:
Hello
You are correct in saying that if we had to obey the Sabbath law given to the Israelite it certainly would be a heavy burden especially in our days, but that is not what I said.
I clearly stated that as Christians we are NOT under the Mosaic law. Neither are we under the sabbatical system, but that it's principle still applied, that is quite different than being under law.
Also I mentioned that the Sabbath preceded the law given to Jews. However since we keep all of the other 10 commandments it should not be that difficult to obey the opening words of the 4th commandment that simply states "remember the Sabbath day" without any other burden or restrictions.
We can be grateful that Christ has free'd us from slavery to the law and that we can enjoy the freedom of God's children.
Keeping in mind or remembering one day of the week is a small token to offer to our creator.

Shalom
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The 4th commandment says:
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
God said Remember because He doesn't want people to forget.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and for everyone Isa 56:6- not once saying it was only made for Jews.

God said the Sabbath is My holy day -and God just wants to spend time with His children on the Sabbath to bless and sanctify us Eze 20:12 Isa 58:13 Isa 56:1-6 as we can't sanctify ourselves. Sad people relate God giving us rest on the Sabbath to spend time with Him as slavery and a burden.
 
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God blessed the SEVENTH day (with no sabbath law for the Israelites to keep until Exodus 16). Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

The word "Sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Hello
The fact that the 4 th commandment starts with the words "remember" is a definite indication that the Sabbath was kept before the Mosaic law, otherwise this encouragement would make no sense, but you are right in saying that in our Bible restricted to 66 books there is no mention of anyone keeping the Sabbath, but in the book of Enoch and Jubilee there is.

Shalom
 
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Anton said:
Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.

Hello
The fact that the 4 th commandment starts with the words "remember" is a definite indication that the Sabbath was kept before the Mosaic law, otherwise this encouragement would make no sense, but you are right in saying that in our Bible restricted to 66 books there is no mention of anyone keeping the Sabbath, but in the book of Enoch and Jubilee there is.

Shalom
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Is the book of Enoch and Jubilee inspired by God? They are not in my Bible. Now who did God tell to remember? The Israelites. Exodus 20:2 - I am the Lord your God, who brought YOU out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exodus 31:16 - Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that YOU were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought YOU out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore, the Lord your God commanded YOU to keep the Sabbath day.

What about from Adam to Moses?

Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with US in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with US, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Nehemiah 9:13 - “Then You came down on Mount Sinai and spoke with them from heaven; You gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. 14 “So You made known to them Your holy sabbath, and laid down for them commandments, statutes and law, through Your servant Moses.

That settles it for me. :)
 
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Anton said:
Hello
You are correct in saying that if we had to obey the Sabbath law given to the Israelite it certainly would be a heavy burden especially in our days, but that is not what I said.
I clearly stated that as Christians we are NOT under the Mosaic law. Neither are we under the sabbatical system, but that it's principle still applied, that is quite different than being under law.
Also I mentioned that the Sabbath preceded the law given to Jews. However since we keep all of the other 10 commandments it should not be that difficult to obey the opening words of the 4th commandment that simply states "remember the Sabbath day" without any other burden or restrictions.
We can be grateful that Christ has free'd us from slavery to the law and that we can enjoy the freedom of God's children.
Keeping in mind or remembering one day of the week is a small token to offer to our creator.

Shalom
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People seem to forget that the Sabbath was for the benefit of man. People should have one day a week of rest. I was in the military for nearly 9 years. There was one time when I was working 12 hours a day for 3 weeks straight. I was completely exhausted. It was during the Vietnam war so exceptional circumstances. Did God condemn me for breaking His law? No. Did I get to church during that time? No. Was I condemned for that? No. That's the difference between law and grace. The law is set in stone. A stone has no heart, no compassion, no understanding of circumstances and no mercy. Grace is the opposite.
 
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Gideon300 said:
People seem to forget that the Sabbath was for the benefit of man. People should have one day a week of rest. I was in the military for nearly 9 years. There was one time when I was working 12 hours a day for 3 weeks straight. I was completely exhausted. It was during the Vietnam war so exceptional circumstances. Did God condemn me for breaking His law? No. Did I get to church during that time? No. Was I condemned for that? No. That's the difference between law and grace. The law is set in stone. A stone has no heart, no compassion, no understanding of circumstances and no mercy. Grace is the opposite.
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Why not just obey God and keep the day He said is the Sabbath. He never said it was a day of our choice.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The law is set in stone to show its eternal nature, God now placed it in our hearts Heb 8:10 because that is where sin starts and God wants our hearts close to Him, when we break His commandments- Jesus says our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
If you can please find one scripture that says Jesus is the Sabbath and we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath commandment was given to man- Jesus did not command Himself to do something for us.
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There Romans 14:5,6 which makes it clear that Paul wasn't hung up on "Special days". And Heb 4:1-11 deals with our REST in JEsus.
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
There Romans 14:5,6 which makes it clear that Paul wasn't hung up on "Special days". And Heb 4:1-11 deals with our REST in JEsus.
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If you read all of Romans 14 there is not one mention of the Sabbath commandment. It's referring to personal disputes and opinions. Not about the day which God esteems over all other days- the Sabbath is My holy day Isa 58:13

Hebrews 4:1-11 is not an argument against Sabbath keeping, its the opposite, it shows Sabbath keeping remains for God's people and those who enter in Christ rest also cease from their works as God did Heb 4:11 on the seventh day Heb 4:4.

I have studied Hebrews 4:1-11 which context really starts in Hebrews 3 extensively and would be happy to go through this with you if you are interested.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
If you read all of Romans 14 there is not one mention of the Sabbath commandment. It's referring to personal disputes and opinions. Not about the day which God esteems over all other days- the Sabbath is My holy day Isa 58:13

Hebrews 4:1-11 is not an argument against Sabbath keeping, its the opposite, it shows Sabbath keeping remains for God's people and those who enter in Christ rest also cease from their works as God did Heb 4:11 on the seventh day Heb 4:4.

I have studied Hebrews 4:1-11 which context really starts in Hebrews 3 extensively and would be happy to go through this with you if you are interested.
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Not interested. Keep the Sabbath however you please.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
Why not just obey God and keep the day He said is the Sabbath. He never said it was a day of our choice.

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The law is set in stone to show its eternal nature, God now placed it in our hearts Heb 8:10 because that is where sin starts and God wants our hearts close to Him, when we break His commandments- Jesus says our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14
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I've told you why many times. I reject dead religion that has no place in the New Covenant. It is called the New Covenant because it is new. I don't why Christians want to place themselves under the Law again. It's not like obeying the commandments is sufficient. The rich man obeyed all the commandments from his youth. Jesus told him that it was not enough. "Sell all you have". In spite of his obedience, the rich man went away disappointed. Those who think that obedience to a set of rules is enough, will likewise be disappointed.
 
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Gideon300 said:
I've told you why many times. I reject dead religion that has no place in the New Covenant. It is called the New Covenant because it is new. I don't why Christians want to place themselves under the Law again. It's not like obeying the commandments is sufficient. The rich man obeyed all the commandments from his youth. Jesus told him that it was not enough. "Sell all you have". In spite of his obedience, the rich man went away disappointed. Those who think that obedience to a set of rules is enough, will likewise be disappointed.
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The rich man wasn’t obeying all the commandments and Jesus knew that. He broke commandment #1 thou shalt have no other gods before Me, when He placed his great riches above following Jesus.

I’m not sure why you think the Sabbath isn’t in the New Covenant. The Sabbath is all over the New Testament and continues on in Heaven. Isa 56:1-7 Isa 66:22-23
 
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