Jesus went in the Spirit to preach to the souls in prison...of which 8 were saved... Of which 8 were saved... anyone notice that? the souls in prison OF which 8 were saved... those 8 souls were OF the souls in prison that Jesus went in the Spirit to preach to...looking forward to the same judgment as the rest of the souls in prison but, they were saved...
Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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You have totally misunderstood that passage. No one was saved out of the spirits in prison. Indeed there is no salvation for evil spirits, evil angels, demons, or Satan. Those eight souls were (1) Noah (2) Noah's wife, (3) the three sons of Noah, and (4) the three wives of those sons.
So what that passage is telling us is this (a) the spirits in prison (Tartarus) were the evil angels who were imprisoned because they had intercourse with human women and produced Nephilim, (b) Tartarus and Sheol/Hades are very near each other "in the heart of the earth", (c) Christ (His soul and spirit) was in Hades for three days and three nights, (d) while there He proclaimed ("preached") His victory on the cross, not to save the spirits in prison, but to announce to all in Tartarus and Hades how He had conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan on the cross.
Since these spirits go back to the time of the Flood, the passage speaks of how Noah and his family were saved by "water" (floating on the water in the Ark) when the Flood destroyed everything.
So what that passage is telling us is this (a) the spirits in prison (Tartarus) were the evil angels who were imprisoned because they had intercourse with human women and produced Nephilim, (b) Tartarus and Sheol/Hades are very near each other "in the heart of the earth", (c) Christ (His soul and spirit) was in Hades for three days and three nights, (d) while there He proclaimed ("preached") His victory on the cross, not to save the spirits in prison, but to announce to all in Tartarus and Hades how He had conquered sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan on the cross.
Since these spirits go back to the time of the Flood, the passage speaks of how Noah and his family were saved by "water" (floating on the water in the Ark) when the Flood destroyed everything.
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Those who belong to Christ, His Church Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Those who belong to Christ, His Church Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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I read the NKJV because My dad gave me a NKJV study bible when I was 17, It replaced my KJV that I used as a kid. And because when I read anything else. it appears odd to me.
Again, Whether we translate it the faith of Christ or the faithfulness of Christ. it does not make sense.
Lets look at the passage
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by "faith in Jesus Christ", "faith of Jesus Christ", or "the faithfulness of Christ" for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
1. Notice in vs 26, Him that believe is translated that way in both the KJV and NKJV
2. The subject of the whole passage is the righteousness of Christ
3. Vs 22 says this subject is given through faith to those who believe
4. Vs 24 says we are justified freely through grace
A. we see in Romans 3 and 5. Gal 2 and 3, says we are justified by (through) faith
B. Eph 2 says we are saved by this same grace, again through faith.
5. so when we look at all the evidence. faithfulness of Christ and faith of Christ do not fit. it does not fit the context. nor what is being said. so to attempt to use either of these two possible interpretation would be faulty[/QUOTE]
So do you consider Faith to be a condition to be met by the sinner before they receive grace or salvation ?
Again, Whether we translate it the faith of Christ or the faithfulness of Christ. it does not make sense.
Lets look at the passage
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by "faith in Jesus Christ", "faith of Jesus Christ", or "the faithfulness of Christ" for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
1. Notice in vs 26, Him that believe is translated that way in both the KJV and NKJV
2. The subject of the whole passage is the righteousness of Christ
3. Vs 22 says this subject is given through faith to those who believe
4. Vs 24 says we are justified freely through grace
A. we see in Romans 3 and 5. Gal 2 and 3, says we are justified by (through) faith
B. Eph 2 says we are saved by this same grace, again through faith.
5. so when we look at all the evidence. faithfulness of Christ and faith of Christ do not fit. it does not fit the context. nor what is being said. so to attempt to use either of these two possible interpretation would be faulty[/QUOTE]
So do you consider Faith to be a condition to be met by the sinner before they receive grace or salvation ?
Just by way of reminder... let's not leave out part of the verse that is (inadvertently?) left out ^ , as written above ^ [originally posted by Everlasting-Grace, FTR].
Rather... it is put like this:
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by "faith in Jesus Christ", "faith of Jesus Christ", or "the faithfulness of Christ" unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference:
now the question can be asked more clearly (as I see it)
Rather... it is put like this:
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by "faith in Jesus Christ", "faith of Jesus Christ", or "the faithfulness of Christ" unto all and upon all them that believe for there is no difference:
now the question can be asked more clearly (as I see it)
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I am just looking at the passage from a different perspective. By leaving the words "of Jesus Christ" out
But like I said, it did not change the meaning, it actually proved my point
I left them out by accident, BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT I SAID...
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Once again, The point you made does not change anything I said. adding the words I forgot does not change the meaning, again it supports what I said, If you would have read my post. It was written to show you that even leaving those words out does nto change anything, and further shows my point.. Can you please go back and read what I said.
Once again, As I just tried to show you. Adding those words back in does not show me wrong. I made this post to show that.
You said if I did not forget to add those words I would see your point, I disagree.. I did nto skip those words. i forgot to add them back in in my quote.
They change nothing.. Or can you explain what youi thought adding those words would change, while also responding to this post in kind.. in my explanation of how adding those words do not change anything
But like I said, it did not change the meaning, it actually proved my point
I left them out by accident, BUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT I SAID...
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Once again, The point you made does not change anything I said. adding the words I forgot does not change the meaning, again it supports what I said, If you would have read my post. It was written to show you that even leaving those words out does nto change anything, and further shows my point.. Can you please go back and read what I said.
Once again, As I just tried to show you. Adding those words back in does not show me wrong. I made this post to show that.
You said if I did not forget to add those words I would see your point, I disagree.. I did nto skip those words. i forgot to add them back in in my quote.
They change nothing.. Or can you explain what youi thought adding those words would change, while also responding to this post in kind.. in my explanation of how adding those words do not change anything
How did you come to that conclusion from what he wrote???
By the way, don't forget - one day you'll have to answer to God for maligning His character and for every careless word. (Yes, I'm serious. Think about having to finally meet Him face to face. It WILL happen. I do, that's why I'm careful.)
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So do you consider Faith to be a condition to be met by the sinner before they receive grace or salvation ?[/QUOTE]
I consider Gods word.
Faith is not a condition. I do not know where people come up with this, It is a reaction.
God died on the cross. Whoever call out to him in faith will be saved.
whoever does not will be condemned.
Grace is offered to all. But not everyone will receive it
I consider Gods word.
Faith is not a condition. I do not know where people come up with this, It is a reaction.
God died on the cross. Whoever call out to him in faith will be saved.
whoever does not will be condemned.
Grace is offered to all. But not everyone will receive it
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How did you come to that conclusion from what he wrote???
By the way, don't forget - one day you'll have to answer to God for maligning His character and for every careless word. (Yes, I'm serious. Think about having to finally meet Him face to face. It WILL happen. I do, that's why I'm careful.)
💃
By the way, don't forget - one day you'll have to answer to God for maligning His character and for every careless word. (Yes, I'm serious. Think about having to finally meet Him face to face. It WILL happen. I do, that's why I'm careful.)
💃
I consider Gods word.
Faith is not a condition. I do not know where people come up with this, It is a reaction.
God died on the cross. Whoever call out to him in faith will be saved.
whoever does not will be condemned.
Grace is offered to all. But not everyone will receive it[/QUOTE]
Without your reaction ? Thats your condition then. Some call it faith, some repentance, some believing, still a condition, thats works
Faith is not a condition. I do not know where people come up with this, It is a reaction.
God died on the cross. Whoever call out to him in faith will be saved.
whoever does not will be condemned.
Grace is offered to all. But not everyone will receive it[/QUOTE]
Without your reaction ? Thats your condition then. Some call it faith, some repentance, some believing, still a condition, thats works
So do you consider Faith to be a condition to be met by the sinner before they receive grace or salvation ?[/QUOTE]
Your answer is Yes let me explain.
without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please god. Hebrews 11:6: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
Faith as Acceptance:
- Trusting God's Gift: "Faith" here primarily denotes trust and acceptance. It's not simply intellectual belief in God's existence, but actively receiving the gift of salvation offered through Jesus Christ. It's trusting that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross has paid the penalty for our sins and accepting his forgiveness and grace.
- More Than Mere Passivity: While "grace" emphasizes God's initiative, faith isn't a passive acceptance. It's a conscious response to God's love. It involves turning away from sin and aligning oneself with God's will.
- Continual Journey: Faith isn't a one-time event but a continuous journey of growing trust and dependence on God. It involves daily choices, prayer, and seeking to live according to his teachings.
- God's Gift: Importantly, the verse underlines that "faith" itself is not something we generate on our own. It's also a gift from God, part of his grace. This removes any room for boasting or self-righteousness, emphasizing that salvation is entirely God's work.
Verse 8:
- "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
Verse 9:
- "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Verse 10:
- "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
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