The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Thunderrr-mental]

Jude 3:4 says to earnestly 'contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.'

When the apostles passed on the teachings of Jesus and their own teachings as led by the Spirit, and when their teachings were written down in gospels and epistles, they did not write them in Late Modern English. They wrote in Greek.

There are some people who teach basically that the King James Bible is word-for-word inspired. That would require basically the canon of scripture to be open until 1611, turning translators into something like inspired scripture writers.

I've seen a variety of arguments for KJV onlyism. One is to point to flaws of other manuscript compilations that some other translation was translated from. But that doesn't prove the KJV is an inerrant inspired translation.

Another argument is that the Bible you have 'in your hand' needs to be inspired. But I could hold an NIV or NASB in my hand, too. That doesn't make it inspired.

Another argument is that there has to be a 'final authority.' It doesn't make any sense to use that to argue that the KJV is an inspired inerrant translation.

Some KJV-onlyist argue that it was the only translation 'authorized' by a king. But Henry VIII had the Great Bible translated, and that doesn't make it an inerrant translation.

Yet another argument is to take a verse about how pure or preserved the word of God is, quoting a verse about it. But those verses existed in the actual original languages scripture was written in, and they show up in the other translations as well. So how is that an argument for KJV onlyism?

The fatal flaw of KJV-onlyism is that it is an ignorant back-woods idea made up by preachers or others some time after the KJV was translated, and not part of 'the faith once delivered to the saints. The apostles did teach it. The Bible doesn't teach it. People got saved through believing the word of God before King James was born.

This is just another narrow minded argument that leads nowhere, where have you picked all this up from 🤔


If there's errors in texts, it is mainly down to How the scribes have wrote down words. And how old ancient texts are that fade.

But for most part we understand the KJV.

Your argument is deeply flawed because your passing the buck to the KJV onlyism for this.

What is a KJV onlyism in your mind, or anyone elses mind.

Is it someone who only has a KJV bible there life, passed on from there father or mother.


Is it someone who prefers the kjv, because the word ye is in there more.

Do people love that Jesus addressed people as ye. And not you.

Do people out there start to hate the KJV because you can see Jesus talking his language, or they struggle to interpret some verses, as some verses are hard to interpret than say the NIV


But if I was to put my money on why people hate The KJV, it is because evil hates Jesus.

In the KJV you hear Jesus speaking the word Ye a lot, and ye feal as if he is talking to ye.

Because ye sounds so much better than you.


So ye sure should concentrate more on what's in the KJV, and less than what narrow minded people think

 

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One of my favourites...........
"My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." Song of Solomon 5:4

Interesting how God works.
Not too long ago, about a week or two ago, I was oddly thinking of a KJV debate between Will Kinney and C. Jay Cox. They were discussing Job 40:17 (At about 1 hour mark - see video here). While I was obviously rooting for Will Kinney in the debate, he gave an interpretation I respectfully did not agree with. I believe that the word "stones" is symbolic for "thighs” in Job 40:17. Note: I believe the "Behometh" is most likely a Sauropod dinosaur of some kind.

Anyway, Song of Solomon 5:15 was a new discovery for me on this matter.

Song of Solomon 5:15 says,
"His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars"

Marble is stone. The legs here in this verse are referred to as stone (marble). Even the word "cedar" is mentioned here in this verse, and yet in Job 40:17, we see the "Behometh's" tail is like a cedar tree. This is the connection.

 

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So legs of stone and cedar are spoken about in Job 40:17 and Song of Solomon 5:15.
There is no contradiction or problem here in God’s Word.
I believe God sometimes may obscure things for us to dig more into His Word.

 

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"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." (Proverbs 25:2).

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." (Proverbs 25:2).

well yes I would agree, but only if your searching Jesus In each text can you.

The issue arises when interpretation is seen as Something Jesus has not said or God has not said.

It makes no difference, there are mistakes. There is enough information in there to forgive mistakes,

I love the scripture that says all tho everything is not explained in full.

1 John 21.25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.


Look see you can search out mistakes but you may not find an answer.

You clearly have to seek the lord when searching 😊

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

well yes I would agree, but only if your searching Jesus In each text can you.

The Symbiotic Relationship Between
The Living Word, & the Communicated Word:

1. Christ is good (John 10:11, John 10:14), and the word is good (1 Kings 2:42).
   
   
2. Christ is the truth (John 14:6), and the word is the truth (John 17:17).
   
   
3. Christ is called Faithful and True (Revelation 19:11), and the word is called faithful and true (Revelation 22:6).
   
   
4. Christ is pure (1 John 3:3), and the word is pure (Proverbs 30:5).
   
   
5. Christ is incorruptible (Acts of the Apostles 2:27), and the word is incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23).
   
   
6. Christ abides forever (John 12:34), and the word abides forever (1 Peter 1:23).
   
   
7. Christ’s name: “Jesus” is above all names (Which would include God’s name) (Philippians 2:9-10), and the word is above God’s name (Psalms 138:2).
   
   
8. Christ has flaming eyes of fire (Revelation 19:12), and the Word is like a fire (Jeremiah 23:29).
   
   
9. Christ can burn things like a fire (Matthew 3:12), and the word can burn things like a fire (Luke 24:32).
   
   
10. Christ can be eaten (John 6:57), and the word can be eaten (Jeremiah 15:16).
    
    
11. Christ is like the discovery of treasure (Matthew 13:44-46, cf. 2 Corinthians 4:7-10), and the word is like the discovery of treasure (Psalms 119:162).
    
    
12. Christ is the light (John 8:12), and the word is light (Psalms 119:105).
    
    
13. Christ is life (John 14:6, 1 John 5:12), and the word is life (John 6:63).
    
    
14. Christ is the living bread (John 6:51), and the word is the living bread (Matthew 4:4).
    
    
15. Christ is eternal life (Romans 6:23, 1 Timothy 6:16, 1 John 5:20) and the word is eternal life (John 6:68) (cf. Matthew 24:35, John 6:63).
    
    
16. Christ quickens (makes alive) (John 5:21), and the word quickens (makes alive) (Psalms 119:50).
    
    
17. It is by Christ which makes the gospel possible (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and it is by the word which makes the gospel possible (1 Peter 1:25).
    
    
18. Christ is near to men (Acts of the Apostles 17:27) (Revelation 3:20) (Psalms 145:18), and the word is near to men (Romans 10:8).
    
    
19. Christ discerns the heart (Matthew 9:4, Luke 9:47), and the word discerns the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
    
    
20. Christ can get men through a storm (Mark 4:35-41), and the word can get men through a storm (Matthew 7:24-25).
    
    
21. Christ sanctifies (John 17:19), and the word sanctifies (John 17:17).
    
    
22. A person can stumble over Christ (Romans 9:33, 1 Peter 2:5-8), and a person can stumble over the word (1 Peter 2:8).
    
    
23. Christ will judge men (John 5:22), and the word will judge men (John 12:48).
    
    
24. Christ’s bones were never broken (John 19:36 cf. Psalms 34:20), and the word is never broken (John 10:35).
    
    
25. Believers are told to seek after Christ (Matthew 28:5, Mark 16:6), and believers are told to seek after the word (Isaiah 34:16).
    
    
26. Christ is our hope (1 Thessalonians 1:3, Colossians 1:27, 1 Timothy 1:1), and the word is our hope (Psalms 130:5).
    
    
27. Believers are to have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16), and believers are to meditate (use their mind) upon the word (Psalms 119:148, 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).
    
    
28. Christ is to be heard and obeyed (Matthew 7:24), and the word is to be heard and obeyed (James 1:22).
    
    
29. The love of God is within Christ (Romans 8:39), and keeping the word places the love of God within us (1 John 2:5) (Also see John 14:23).
    
    
30. Christ is the way to the living waters, which is the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39), and the washing of the water of the word (Ephesians 5:25-27) (which is obedience to God) is the way to having the Spirit (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).
    
    
31. Christ is like the foundation that is a part of a house (1 Corinthians 3:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11), and He is like a rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), and the obeying the word is like a house built upon the rock (Matthew 7:24).
    
    
32. Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).
    
    
33. Christ breathed the Spirit upon his faithful chosen (John 20:22), and the word is “inspired by God” (i.e. God breathed) for the benefit of his faithful chosen (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
    
    
34. Christ is the way to having the fruits of righteousness (Philippians 1:11), and the word is the way to being instructed in righteousness so to be perfect unto all good works (fruits) (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
    
    
35. Christ can abide in us (John 15:4-7) (Ephesians 3:17) (Philippians 4:13), and the word can abide in us (John 15:7, Psalms 119:11).
    
    
36. Christ dwells in our hearts (Ephesians 3:17), and the word dwells in our hearts (Colossians 3:16).
    
    
37. Believers can be hidden in Christ (Colossians 3:3), and the word can be hidden in believers (Psalms 119:11).
    
    
38. Christ is always with us (Matthew 28:20), and the word is always with us (Psalms 119:98).
    
    
39. Christ can make our joy full (John 15:11), and the word can make our joy full (1 John 1:4).
    
    
40. Believers’ hearts rejoice with Christ (John 16:22), and believers’ hearts rejoice with the word (Jeremiah 15:16).

..41. Christ is called a seed (Galatians 3:16), and the word is called a seed (1 Peter 1:23, Luke 8:11) (Note: See my post below here for further details).


The communicated word of God that we have today is the Bible.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

Jesus (the Living Word) was sent by the commandment (mouth) of the Father. Jesus said and did everything the Father told Him to do (John 12:49) (John 14:31).

What is interesting is that the Living Word accomplished that which the Father commanded Him to do and to prosper (accomplish) that thing He sent to do (i.e. Jesus suffered on the cross, and said, “It is finished” and died for man’s sins). Jesus was risen three days later and ascended to the Father. God’s Word (the living Word) did not return void by whom the Father sent.

The communicated Word can also be sent out and not return void, as well. For many have believed and have stayed faithful to what God’s Word says.

In the creation: The Word made flesh (John 1:1, John 1:14) (i.e. Christ) created everything. In the beginning, God spoke words to bring forth the creation in six days (Genesis 1:1-31).

So in the beginning was the Living Word, and the communicated Word.

In the end of this sinful world: Christ will return (Revelation 19:11-21) and a sharp sword will proceed from His mouth. This sword could be the “sword of the Spirit,” (Which is the Word of God) or it could be symbolic of such (Ephesians 6:17).

So in the end there will be the Living Word and the communicated Word.

For at Christ’s return: His name is called The “Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13) (Living Word).

On His thigh, and vesture is a name written (words) “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” (Communicated Word).

Jesus was beaten to a pulp and crucified on a tree.

The Word we have today (the Bible) is a result of pulp made from a tree.

Jesus was the Word made flesh (covered in skin).

The Word we have today (the Bible) is popular to be available covered in skin (leather).

Words on the page hang on this tree (paper) (the Bible),
just like the Living Word hung on a tree (the cross).

Jesus says,
“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” (John 5:39).

What do you think?
Did I sufficiently search out Jesus in the text by my above study?

 

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It makes no difference, there are mistakes. There is enough information in there to forgive mistakes,

God does not make mistakes in His Word (If that is what you are suggesting).

 

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1 John 21.25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

This verse does not undermine the accuracy and perfection of God's Word and our duty to live by it.

Look see you can search out mistakes but you may not find an answer.

I think you have me confused with the Bible correctors or Textual Critics.
I believe God's Word is without error and has no mistakes.

You clearly have to seek the lord when searching

This is a baseless insult. Why would you falsely assume I have not found the Lord and I need to seek Him?
Are you a mind reader and do you know my heart, and life more than God?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

This verse does not undermine the accuracy and perfection of God's Word and our duty to live by it.



I think you have me confused with the Bible correctors or Textual Critics.
I believe God's Word is without error and has no mistakes.



This is a baseless insult. Why would you falsely assume I have not found the Lord and I need to seek Him?
Are you a mind reader and do you know my heart, and life more than God?

1 John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

There is something clearly wrong when you can't take a simple friendly agreement, with my first initial post to you.

Then for some unknown reason you turn my agreement of your post into an outburst.

1 John here, was given to you to show you I was in agreement with why people should search. But they should search the lord, because of 1 John here.

However you have taken scripture as a personal insult, which many people do.

If you where fully grown in the lord you would not take scripture as an insult.

You should also understand that 1 John here is saying not all of God's word is in the bible Is in full detail, as if it was there would not be enough pages to write everything the lord did.

So what I'm saying is , all theese people who are narrow minded, pick fault in others peoples understanding, should be looking to why the bible has not wrote everything,

Not because of man's interpretation, of why, or somebody who only loves the KJV, but to what Jesus says why

Do ye understand this, or do ye have learning difficulties.

 

[jamessb]

What if you only have a KJV bible?

Fine. Then read it. It is just one translation of many.

 

[jamessb]

Yes, Biblehighlither, am using my cellphone now with limited data connection, Ill try to forward this to James. This is a good reference as to rhe academic credentials of the Kjv translators. I believe it is a good read. Thanks for the link. God bless

The King James translators did the best that they could with the resources and knowledge available. Modern translators have better resources and excellent knowledge. As I said in the previous message, a person should use whatever s/he prefers (or has available).

 

[jamessb]

One of my favourites...........
"My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." Song of Solomon 5:4

Here is a better translation (obviously)...
"My beloved thrust his hand through the latch-opening;
my heart began to pound for him." NIV

 

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1 John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

It’s actually John 21:25 and not 1 John 21:25. There is no 21st chapter of the 1st epistle of John.

There is something clearly wrong when you can't take a simple friendly agreement, with my first initial post to you. Then for some unknown reason you turn my agreement of your post into an outburst.

Your only agreement was liking my post on a verse. After that, you went into full attack mode against me.
So either you hit your head and forgot your hostile post towards me, or you don’t think your attacks against me don’t exist.

You said, I quote,

“well yes I would agree, but only if your searching Jesus In each text can you.”​

Quote by Thunderrr-mental.​

By what you said above, you are not in full agreement with me here. While you said you agree, and yet you backhandedly insulted me by implying the possibility in that I may have never searched out Jesus in “the text” (which I prefer to call the Holy Scriptures). Once I demonstrated that I did do so by giving you a treasure trove of verses, you act like such a thing did not even matter to you. I know if I discovered such a list, I would leap for joy and say thank you. But what did you do? Well, you insulted me some more instead.

1 John here, was given to you to show you I was in agreement with why people should search. But they should search the lord, because of 1 John here.

However you have taken scripture as a personal insult, which many people do.

Again, first, you are referring to the gospel of John and not the epistle of John. The verse you give is in John 21:25.
Second, you are either new to online Christian discussions or you are simply forgetful as to what goes on.
You must be aware that it is common that Christians many times will use verses out of context to justify a wrong belief.
My disagreeing with your interpretation on John 21:25 does not equate with me taking such a verse as a personal insult.
That would be your imagination working overtime. I believe John 21:25 just fine and I have even discussed and used it before in the past on several occasions. Question: Can you learn about anything Jesus did that was not written down as mentioned in John 21:25?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 basically says all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, and correction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto every good work. So how do you get doctrine? By Scripture or by the unwritten things Jesus did that we never got to read?

If you were fully grown in the lord you would not take scripture as an insult.

I did not take it as an insult. That is your own imagination. It is your own false interpretation and misuse of John 21:25 that I take as an insult and it is your baseless hostile words towards me that I take as an insult.

You should also understand that 1 John here is saying not all of God's word is in the bible Is in full detail, as if it was there would not be enough pages to write everything the lord did.

It is true that the GOSPEL of John (not the 1st epistle of John) involving John 21:25 is referring to words of our Lord that we do not get to see or read about. This does not mean equate with how God did not preserve His words perfectly as He said in within His own Word (See: Psalms 12:6-7).

So what I'm saying is , all theese people who are narrow minded, pick fault in others peoples understanding, should be looking to why the bible has not wrote everything,

We are not claiming that everything God said, and did is in the Bible. We are saying that all things necessary for our faith today was written down in the Bible. We are not looking to some new vision, revelation, dream, or voice from God. What we have with the Bible is sufficient for believing what God desires us to believe, and it is sufficient for obeying God’s will.

Not because of man's interpretation, of why, or somebody who only loves the KJV, but to what Jesus says why

Jesus did not reply back in any conversation involving the KJV and ask “why.”
If you don’t love the King James Bible, and you think it is wrong to do so then how do you explain verses like Psalms 119:140 that says,

”Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalms 119:140).

Do ye understand this, or do ye have learning difficulties.

Actually, I would say you are the one who does not understand what the Scriptures are saying on this point.
I believe you are misinterpreting John 21:25. If you don’t love the King James Bible, then where are you getting your faith from?
Are you getting it from things Jesus did that was not written down? Are you talking to some voice in your head that you think is Jesus?
Are you following a person who is claiming to be Jesus?

 

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Here is a better translation (obviously)...
"My beloved thrust his hand through the latch-opening;
my heart began to pound for him." NIV

How would you know? You don’t have the originals to compare it to.
Again, I have already pointed out false doctrines in Modern Bibles in the NIV and you just brushed this point aside.

 

[CS1]

Fine. Then read it. It is just one translation of many.

Thank you

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The King James translators did the best that they could with the resources and knowledge available. Modern translators have better resources and excellent knowledge. As I said in the previous message, a person should use whatever s/he prefers (or has available).

Again, I have demonstrated that this is patently false. There are changes for the worse, and not for the better in Modern Bibles.

You can check out my list of false doctrines in Modern Bibles starting in my post here.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It’s actually John 21:25 and not 1 John 21:25. There is no 21st chapter of the 1st epistle of John.



Your only agreement was liking my post on a verse. After that, you went into full attack mode against me.
So either you hit your head and forgot your hostile post towards me, or you don’t think your attacks against me don’t exist.

You said, I quote,

“well yes I would agree, but only if your searching Jesus In each text can you.”​

Quote by Thunderrr-mental.​

By what you said above, you are not in full agreement with me here. While you said you agree, and yet you backhandedly insulted me by implying the possibility in that I may have never searched out Jesus in “the text” (which I prefer to call the Holy Scriptures). Once I demonstrated that I did do so by giving you a treasure trove of verses, you act like such a thing did not even matter to you. I know if I discovered such a list, I would leap for joy and say thank you. But what did you do? Well, you insulted me some more instead.



Again, first, you are referring to the gospel of John and not the epistle of John. The verse you give is in John 21:25.
Second, you are either new to online Christian discussions or you are simply forgetful as to what goes on.
You must be aware that it is common that Christians many times will use verses out of context to justify a wrong belief.
My disagreeing with your interpretation on John 21:25 does not equate with me taking such a verse as a personal insult.
That would be your imagination working overtime. I believe John 21:25 just fine and I have even discussed and used it before in the past on several occasions. Question: Can you learn about anything Jesus did that was not written down as mentioned in John 21:25?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 basically says all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, and correction in righteousness so that the man of God may be perfect unto every good work. So how do you get doctrine? By Scripture or by the unwritten things Jesus did that we never got to read?



I did not take it as an insult. That is your own imagination. It is your own false interpretation and misuse of John 21:25 that I take as an insult and it is your baseless hostile words towards me that I take as an insult.



It is true that the GOSPEL of John (not the 1st epistle of John) involving John 21:25 is referring to words of our Lord that we do not get to see or read about. This does not mean equate with how God did not preserve His words perfectly as He said in within His own Word (See: Psalms 12:6-7).



We are not claiming that everything God said, and did is in the Bible. We are saying that all things necessary for our faith today was written down in the Bible. We are not looking to some new vision, revelation, dream, or voice from God. What we have with the Bible is sufficient for believing what God desires us to believe, and it is sufficient for obeying God’s will.



Jesus did not reply back in any conversation involving the KJV and ask “why.”
If you don’t love the King James Bible, and you think it is wrong to do so then how do you explain verses like Psalms 119:140 that says,

”Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalms 119:140).



Actually, I would say you are the one who does not understand what the Scriptures are saying on this point.
I believe you are misinterpreting John 21:25. If you don’t love the King James Bible, then where are you getting your faith from?
Are you getting it from things Jesus did that was not written down? Are you talking to some voice in your head that you think is Jesus?
Are you following a person who is claiming to be Jesus?

. Noo I never attacked you, my honesty asked you a question..

If you felt insulted by my honest questions, I don't know why.
.but I'm not going to apologize for something I have no idea what your talking about.

If I asked do you love God would you tell me or get offended.



I have a another verse that goes with John 21:25

Maybe you can help me with your knowledge, as I can see you have it.

It goes something like all tho everything is not explained in full in verses it was however explained in full to the apostles,

Do you now where it is I can't remember,

 

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Fine. Then read it. It is just one translation of many.

But God does not speak in multiple conflicting translations. That would mean God is the author of confusion if such was the case.
If three people gave you conflicting directions on how to get to a certain destination, you wouldn't be happy that two of them gave you false directions. You would only be happy with the one who gave you the correct directions. You wouldn't fly in a plane that was constructed out of conflicting CAD models.

 

[presidente]

This is just another narrow minded argument that leads nowhere, where have you picked all this up from 🤔


If there's errors in texts, it is mainly down to How the scribes have wrote down words. And how old ancient texts are that fade.

But for most part we understand the KJV.

Your argument is deeply flawed because your passing the buck to the KJV onlyism for this.

What is a KJV onlyism in your mind, or anyone elses mind.

Is it someone who only has a KJV bible there life, passed on from there father or mother.


Is it someone who prefers the kjv, because the word ye is in there more.

Do people love that Jesus addressed people as ye. And not you.

Do people out there start to hate the KJV because you can see Jesus talking his language, or they struggle to interpret some verses, as some verses are hard to interpret than say the NIV


But if I was to put my money on why people hate The KJV, it is because evil hates Jesus.

In the KJV you hear Jesus speaking the word Ye a lot, and ye feal as if he is talking to ye.

Because ye sounds so much better than you.


So ye sure should concentrate more on what's in the KJV, and less than what narrow minded people think

If you don't have anything of substance to say to refute the specific points of a post, just can call the other person narrow-minded. That's easier than dealing with specific arguments. I described the point of view I took issue with, "There are some people who teach basically that the King James Bible is word-for-word inspired."

If you inherited a KJV from your great-grandmother, that's fine with me. I don't hate the KJV. I actually like the cadence of the KJV. I've memorized and quoted books of the Bible out of the KJV in the past. I just don't think it is an inerrant inspired translation and find some of the KJV-onlyist ideas about this to be strange and that they defy good sense.

 

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. Noo I never attacked you, my honesty asked you a question..

If you felt insulted by my honest questions, I don't know why.
.but I'm not going to apologize for something I have no idea what your talking about.

If I asked do you love God would you tell me or get offended.



I have a another verse that goes with John 21:25

Maybe you can help me with your knowledge, as I can see you have it.

It goes something like all tho everything is not explained in full in verses it was however explained in full to the apostles,

Do you now where it is I can't remember,

Yes, you attacked me. Your saying that you didn't attack me when you did is a denial on your part.

Moving on from talking to you.