The 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses

[Inquisitor]

The Ten Commandments, also known as the Decalogue, are a set of biblical principles that play a fundamental role in Judaism and Christianity.

They were given to the Israelites through Moses and are found in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. The commandments cover various aspects of human conduct, including the worship of God, ethical treatment of others, and personal morality.

The commandments are seen as the foundation of God's moral law and provide insight into God's character and expectations for human behavior.

The significance of the Ten Commandments in Christianity lies in their role as a reflection of God's character and a guide for living a godly life.

While Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, the moral principles outlined in the Ten Commandments are still considered relevant. Jesus emphasized the importance of these principles, summarizing them as loving God and loving one's neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40). The Apostle Paul also referenced the commandments, particularly those related to interpersonal relationships, as a summary of God's moral requirements (Romans 13:8-10).

The commandments are viewed as a standard of moral conduct and a tool for self-examination. They highlight the importance of loving God above all else and treating others with respect and kindness.

While Christians are not saved by keeping the law, the commandments serve as a guide for righteous living and provide insight into God's moral standards.

It is important to note that while the commandments are significant, they are not the means of salvation for Christians. Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ, and the Christian life is lived in response to God's grace. The commandments serve as a guide for holy living and loving relationships with God and others.

In summary, the significance of the Ten Commandments in Christianity lies in their role as a reflection of God's character and a guide for living a godly life. While Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, the moral principles outlined in the Ten Commandments are still considered relevant and provide insight into God's moral standards.

Guess we can all learn, daily.
J.

What new commandment did Christ deliver in the new covenant?

 

[Inquisitor]

the great blunder of the church is thinking that the 10 Commandments are the the same or have the same purpose as the Law of Moses.

I would disagree.

The law has 613 individual decrees.

The ten commandments are the spoken law, the law given to Israel at Mt Sinai.

Gentiles were never under the law, never members of the covenants, they never knew God.
The Gentiles never had the ten commandments.

Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

No where in the New Testament does it say that Gentiles are under the law.

No where in the New Testament does it say that Gentiles are under the ten commandments.

For anyone to say that Gentiles are under the law is heresy.

 

[Inquisitor]

In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so all of the Law of Moses was commanded by God, which is why it is referred to as the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. All of God's commands have the same moral authority regardless of where they are placed or of whether He wrote them or told Moses to write them, or even if God had just spoken them without anyone writing them down. The Bible never refers to the Ten Commandment as being the Moral Law and never suggests that we can be acting morally while disobeying everything else that God has commanded. For example, do you think that it is not immoral to commit rape because it is not one of the Ten Commandments? God has given many more commandments than the Ten Commandments, so when the Bible refers to My Commandments or His commandments, then it should be understood as referring to all of them, not just ten of them unless is specifies that is only referring to ten.

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The Mosaic Law has 613 commandments, ten of which are the Ten Commandments. There is nothing in the Bible that states that the placement of the other commandments means that they are temporary in nature, but rather all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160). You are concocting whole doctrine around where God's commandments based that is not derived from what is stated in the Bible.


In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against replacing the last part of it, so you should not interpret fulfill the law as meaning the same thing as abolishing and as relaxing most of the Mosaic Law.


Those who reject the vast majority of God's commandments should not consider themselves to be obeying all of God's commandments.

Such a shame that Gentiles were never under the law.

Gentiles were never included in any covenant to obey the law.

Ephesians 2:2-3
And you were dead in your offenses and sins, in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Notice the phrase "offenses and sins", offenses are apart from what the law says. These are offenses which the Gentiles have in an abundance. Paul sometimes refers to offenses as the deeds of the flesh.

You can try and obey the fuller version of the law but you will crash and burn anyway.

All the law does is remind you of your sin, that's it.

 

[Soyeong]

Such a shame that Gentiles were never under the law.

It is by God's law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that Gentiles were never under it is the position that Gentiles are free to do what God has revealed to be sin through it, that Gentiles don't need to repent from sin, that Gentiles don't need salvation from sin, that Gentiles don't need grace, that Gentiles don't need Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness, and that Gentiles don't need the Gospel message, but that is not the case.

Gentiles were never included in any covenant to obey the law.

Gentiles are able to become part of Israel through faith in Christ and partakers of the New Covenant, which involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33). However, Gentiles would still be obligated to obey God' even if God had never made any covenants with man, so God's covenants are not the source of our obligation to obey God, but rather they simply inform us of what has always been and will always be our obligation. The source of our obligation to obey God is God's sovereignty. If the world was not under God's law, then God would have no grounds to judge the world for our sins.

Ephesians 2:2-3
And you were dead in your offenses and sins, in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest.

Notice the phrase "offenses and sins", offenses are apart from what the law says. These are offenses which the Gentiles have in an abundance. Paul sometimes refers to offenses as the deeds of the flesh.

Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) so it is contradictory for someone to be dead in their offenses and sins if they are not under God's law. Likewise, the lusts or deeds of the flesh are all contrary to God's law and if we are not under it, then we would have no obligation to refrain from them. The fact that we previously lived in the lusts of the flesh means that we are now living in obedience to God's law.

You can try and obey the fuller version of the law but you will crash and burn anyway.

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All the law does is remind you of your sin, that's it.

God's law can't just teach us what sin is without also teaching us how to do what is godly, righteous, and good by contrast (Romans 7:12). Earthly fathers don't given instructions to their children to remind them of how bad they are at following instructions, but rather they give instructions to their children for their own good in order to teach them how to rightly live, and this is that much more true of our Heavenly Father (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13).

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Your post was inaccurate.

You stated the following.

If you read Exodus 20 through to Exodus 24 and the covenant.

The text states God spoke the ten words and the covenant that Israel agreed to. Was based on what was spoken by God not written.

Exodus 24:3-7
Then Moses came and reported to the people all the words of the Lord and all the ordinances; and all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has spoken we will do!” And Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord.

Nothing was written on stone at this time. Israel was in covenant with God to obey the law.

The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God. He spoke them first and than wrote them with His own finger. There is no greater Authority than He.

Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

 

[Cameron143]

The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God. He spoke them first and than wrote them with His own finger. There is no greater Authority than He.

Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Marvel not that God wrote. Marvel that God is.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Marvel not that God wrote. Marvel that God is.

Why pit one against the other like we have to choose.. No need to separate what God is from what He does or what He asks us to do. It's all part of God.

God's law reflects His holy character- you can't separate them from each other.

God wrote though his Spirit His Holy Word- sorry I marvel at His Word - God wrote personally His Ten Commandments that is His Word and I marvel at His work- and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

 

[Cameron143]

Why pit one against the other like we have to choose.. No need to separate what God is from what He does or what He asks us to do. It's all part of God.

God's law reflects His holy character- you can't separate them from each other.

You can't separate God from His attributes. But God is greater than all His attributes. Just as Christ is greater than the written word.

You suppose me to be pitting one against the other. I'm simply showing the superiority of One over the other. God's word loses all authority without God. Yet God loses no authority without His word.

Your reverence of God's word has become idolatry. You make His word equal to Him.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You can't separate God from His attributes. But God is greater than all His attributes. Just as Christ is greater than the written word.

You suppose me to be pitting one against the other. I'm simply showing the superiority of One over the other. God's word loses all authority without God. Yet God loses no authority without His word.

Your reverence of God's word has become idolatry. You make His word equal to Him.

You are not following the conversation - the post I replied to was in response to a poster claiming the Ten Commandments was only spoken not written, I posted scripture to show otherwise. Everything else you're claiming is conjecture and strawman.

 

[Cameron143]

You are not following the conversation - the post I replied to was in response to a poster claiming the Ten Commandments was only spoken not written, I posted scripture to show otherwise. Everything else you're claiming is conjecture and strawman.

It's easy to be dismissive of things hard to hear, and reason it to be other than it is. I hope you will at least consider what I have shared without such haste.
Grace and peace.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

It's easy to be dismissive of things hard to hear, and reason it to be other than it is. I hope you will at least consider what I have shared without such haste.
Grace and peace.

God speaks to us though His Word and the path He tells us to take Psa 119:105. I will stick with His Word, but thanks anyway.

I will make a suggestion though and know it will go on deaf ears, I would recommend stop telling people what they think or feel. Only God knows that, if you want to share scripture, I am open to that, but telling someone how they feel or what they think or what they do is above all of our paygrades as we are strangers, and no one has that power except God. Only God knows our heart and there is nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14

Take care.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

This pretty much sums it up and why God tells us to choose His Word as our path back to Him instead of relying on our own feelings, opinions, thoughts or ideas.

 

[vassal]

I would disagree.

The law has 613 individual decrees.

The ten commandments are the spoken law, the law given to Israel at Mt Sinai.

Gentiles were never under the law, never members of the covenants, they never knew God.
The Gentiles never had the ten commandments.

Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

No where in the New Testament does it say that Gentiles are under the law.

No where in the New Testament does it say that Gentiles are under the ten commandments.

For anyone to say that Gentiles are under the law is heresy.

it is MEN who counted the Laws and Commandments, that number 613 varies according to different authors, it means nothing.

It is GOD who gave us Himself the 10 Commandments, He wrote them with His own fingers;

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

IT is GOD who gave us the commandments. It is GOD who wrote them by his hand.

The Commandments are in the Ark of the Covenant to become the Ark of His Testament;

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Note the name change from Covenant to Testament. Note also in the book of Revelations the chronology of this verse.

The rest of the Mosaic Laws have for core foundation, the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments have for core foundation LOVE.

LOVE is the foundation of eternal life.

Peace.

 

[vassal]

It's easy to be dismissive of things hard to hear, and reason it to be other than it is. I hope you will at least consider what I have shared without such haste.
Grace and peace.

your comments add nothing to the conversation but cause further division, and distract from the discussion, is this proper?

 

[Cameron143]

God speaks to us though His Word and the path He tells us to take Psa 119:105. I will stick with His Word, but thanks anyway.

I will make a suggestion though and know it will go on deaf ears, I would recommend stop telling people what they think or feel. Only God knows that, if you want to share scripture, I am open to that, but telling someone how they feel or what they think or what they do is above all of our paygrades as we are strangers, and no one has that power except God. Only God knows our heart and there is nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14

Take care.

I haven't dealt with what you feel. I do know in part what you think by what you write. And what anyone writes is a reflection of what they believe because what one believes, they do. What's down in the well is what comes up in the bucket.
So what you write tells much about you. For instance, you had no problem admonishing me, but winced at my admonition.
Blessings.

 

[Cameron143]

your comments add nothing to the conversation but cause further division, and distract from the discussion, is this proper?

Your concern is being found right. My concern is helping people. I'm ok letting God judge me.
If your concern was to get back on topic, why address me at all?
And read a few posts. The unity of the faith seems hardly in view. So while your criticism of me isn't wrong, feel free to apply it to all offending parties.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I haven't dealt with what you feel. I do know in part what you think by what you write. And what anyone writes is a reflection of what they believe because what one believes, they do. What's down in the well is what comes up in the bucket.
So what you write tells much about you. For instance, you had no problem admonishing me, but winced at my admonition.
Blessings.

Show me once where I wrote God Word is without the authority of God. I wrote the exact opposite. There is no greater Authority than God. What He writes we should take to heart!

God wrote His Word, He IS the AUTHORITY!

 

[Cameron143]

Show me once where I wrote God Word is without the authority of God. I wrote the exact opposite. There is no greater Authority than God. What He writes we should take to heart!

God wrote His Word, He IS the AUTHORITY!

I see. So you think that I thought that you thought that God wasn't the actual authority. But that's not what I thought. Yet in thinking that is what I thought, aren't you guilty of the very thing you admonished me for?
For ease of discussion, I juxtaposed God and His word to show the superiority of one over the other. I wasn't implying anything about you, but simply stating a fact. Anything more than that you added.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I see. So you think that I thought that you thought that God wasn't the actual authority. But that's not what I thought. Yet in thinking that is what I thought, aren't you guilty of the very thing you admonished me for?
For ease of discussion, I juxtaposed God and His word to show the superiority of one over the other. I wasn't implying anything about you, but simply stating a fact. Anything more than that you added.

I'm simply showing the superiority of One over the other. God's word loses all authority without God. Yet God loses no authority without His word.
Your reverence of God's word has become idolatry. You make His word equal to Him..

This is projecting your feelings, not based on any reality of what I have stated or thought.

Weird you would consider obeying God the way He asks idolatry. But suit yourself.

God is the Authority over His Word and His Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 which Jesus tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

I think your argument is not really with me.

 

[Cameron143]

This is projecting your feelings, not based on any reality of what I have stated or thought.

Weird you would consider obeying God the way He asks idolatry. But suit yourself.

God is the Authority over His Word and His Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 which Jesus tells us to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

I think your argument is not really with me.

You just think this is what I am doing.