Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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rogerg

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Those who dont believe its because they are not His Sheep that He died for, so they are condemned having not A Shepherd Jn 10:26
Wow, brightfame52 you are really doing yeoman's work here which work is apparent to certain of us. Unfortunately, those who are most in need of your edification are also those who are the most blind to it - they are simply unable to hear, understand or accept what you've been telling them. For now, at least, it's just outside of their power to do so.
 

jamessb

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I have been following the back and forth debate between you and Brightfame52 and must confess that you are losing ground in your argument. For example:

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people.

This cannot mean all people on earth. Why? Because God does not send anything out which will return to Him Void! Therefore, He must bring it to those who are His chosen people.

You believe that it is offered to all and we must then accept that given salvation. In other words, we must perform a work to receive what was offered. That is not so. First our hearts must be changed. Who performs that process – the Spirit of God. Only then can we receive the offer which is freely given. Now that is GRACE beyond our understanding!

We must put our trust in what Christ has done for us not what we have done for Christ.

Consider the words of this hymn:
Thy work alone, O Christ,
can ease this weight of sin;
Thy blood alone, O Lamb of God,
can give me peace within.
Thy love to me, O God, not mine,
O Lord, to Thee,
can rid me of the dark unrest,
and set my spirit free.
Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."
Those who dont believe its because they are not His Sheep that He died for, so they are condemned having not A Shepherd Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

One has to be not condemned in order to believe.
You take one verse out of the entire Bible to prove a predetermined (false) doctrine. LOL. :LOL:

So, you believe that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God's son and the creator of the Earth, was only partially effective in paying for all sin for everyone for all time. What more than that is necessary?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Wow, brightfame52 you are really doing yeoman's work here which work is apparent to certain of us. Unfortunately, those who are most in need of your edification are also those who are the most blind to it - they are simply unable to hear, understand or accept what you've been telling them. For now, at least, it's just outside of their power to do so.
Blind leading the Blind which is why half of what he says he cannot prove in the Bible.
 

brightfame52

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Wow, brightfame52 you are really doing yeoman's work here which work is apparent to certain of us. Unfortunately, those who are most in need of your edification are also those who are the most blind to it - they are simply unable to hear, understand or accept what you've been telling them. For now, at least, it's just outside of their power to do so.
Amen, only God can give spiritual hearing and understanding, I can only witness the Truth, and thats only by Gods enablement.
 

brightfame52

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Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast."


You take one verse out of the entire Bible to prove a predetermined (false) doctrine. LOL. :LOL:

So, you believe that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God's son and the creator of the Earth, was only partially effective in paying for all sin for everyone for all time. What more than that is necessary?
Slander and misrepresentation
 

FollowerofShiloh

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So you're admitting you do not have Bible to back your opinion. That was easy to call you out on it.
The commission is for the ingathering of the elect
Man made doctrine won't get you into Heaven no matter how many people in this thread you have FOOLED.

God isn't fooled by you, that's definitely for sure.
 

jamessb

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To BillyBob in #1102: John 3:16 (perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible) makes it perfectly clear that each person must believe that Jesus died for her/him in order to be saved.

"For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."

The sacrifice covers all sin for all time for everyone, but belief is required. If I give you a gift, you must either receive it or not.
 

BillyBob

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"For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."
The Holy Spirit changes our heart, enabling us to believe. This is only done for the elect of God! We cannot do it unless we are changed. To God be the glory......................
 

jamessb

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The Holy Spirit changes our heart, enabling us to believe. This is only done for the elect of God! We cannot do it unless we are changed. To God be the glory......................
You first believe, then you receive the Holy Spirit.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Let's put this where it belongs.

if someone says, The commission is for the ingathering of the elect ... but that is nowhere in the Bible it's literally the same as the Serpent telling Eve, you surely won't die after God said lest you die.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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The Holy Spirit changes our heart, enabling us to believe. This is only done for the elect of God! We cannot do it unless we are changed. To God be the glory......................
The Holy Spirit does it to the person who yields to Him.
He just don't possess you and make you be saved.

To show it's in the Bible
1) James 4:7“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
2) Matthew 16:24Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”
 

BillyBob

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You are putting your trust in yourself rather than God!
We must put our trust in what Christ has done for us, not what we have done for Christ.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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You are putting your trust in yourself rather than God!
We must put our trust in what Christ has done for us, not what we have done for Christ.
Putting my trust in the LITERAL words of Jesus Who is GOD + His earthly brother inspired by GOD

1) James 4:7“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
2) Matthew 16:24Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”
 

brightfame52

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So you're admitting you do not have Bible to back your opinion. That was easy to call you out on it.

Man made doctrine won't get you into Heaven no matter how many people in this thread you have FOOLED.

God isn't fooled by you, that's definitely for sure.
Pauls preaching, evangelism was for the elects sake also, just as the twelve 2 Tim 2:10

9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
 

brightfame52

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@jamessb
To BillyBob in #1102: John 3:16 (perhaps the most famous verse in the Bible) makes it perfectly clear that each person must believe that Jesus died for her/him in order to be saved.
False, believe isnt a condition or command here