Were COVID vaccines created to kill and maim?

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Nehemiah6

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Your data is fake. It's completely made up. Not even true. Try someone who practices real science.
Yeah. Fauci admitted that all his "real science" was fake. CDC also admitted that all their "real science" was fake. It is not "my" data, but if you wish to go along with the liars and fakers, who's to stop you?
 

vassal

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Your data is fake. It's completely made up. Not even true. Try someone who practices real science.
I do know this science very well, I can make these experimental gene therapy now called vaccines, they don't work, they destroy or maim the immune system, they cause autoimmune diseases, they can induce prions formation in your brain cells causing dementia and other neurodegenerative diseases as these vaccines penetrate the blood brain barrier. once in the brain, your brain cells will start to produce the spike protein that protein is toxic. I did not mention the blood clots! these trillions of vaccine particles ( SYNTHETIC lipids charged positively, containing the SYNTHETIC mRNA) once they are in your blood vessels they will penetrate the cells lining the blood vessels, these start producing the toxic spike protein then will start to express the spike protein on the cell surface that line the blood vessels. The immune cells detect this protein as an invader at the same time will react to the cells lining the blood vessels as enemies, the immune system will start to destroy the lining of the blood vessels resulting in the white clots found in many deceased individuals by the thanatologists.

why some have problems and some do not? it is the lot number, they do not have all the same concoction some are deadly many not we will know long term. They experimented on us, if the vaccine was immediately or deadly short term they would not have gotten away with it.
 

ZNP

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I do know this science very well, I can make these experimental gene therapy now called vaccines, they don't work, they destroy or maim the immune system, they cause autoimmune diseases, they can induce prions formation in your brain cells causing dementia and other neurodegenerative diseases as these vaccines penetrate the blood brain barrier. once in the brain, your brain cells will start to produce the spike protein that protein is toxic. I did not mention the blood clots! these trillions of vaccine particles ( SYNTHETIC lipids charged positively, containing the SYNTHETIC mRNA) once they are in your blood vessels they will penetrate the cells lining the blood vessels, these start producing the toxic spike protein then will start to express the spike protein on the cell surface that line the blood vessels. The immune cells detect this protein as an invader at the same time will react to the cells lining the blood vessels as enemies, the immune system will start to destroy the lining of the blood vessels resulting in the white clots found in many deceased individuals by the thanatologists.

why some have problems and some do not? it is the lot number, they do not have all the same concoction some are deadly many not we will know long term. They experimented on us, if the vaccine was immediately or deadly short term they would not have gotten away with it.
Hold everything. If the goal was to destroy the immune system then the vaccines do work. If the goal was to cause dementia and blood clots the the vaccine is working. Also they are solving the problem. Covid19 was not the problem, all you needed was a healthy lifestyle, HCQ and Ivermectin and you were fine. No, the problem is we now have AI that can take away 80% of the jobs, do you really want 6 billion people sitting at home without jobs who will become protestors?

Ask a psychopath to solve the problem and this is the solution you get.
 

JohnDB

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Yeah. Fauci admitted that all his "real science" was fake. CDC also admitted that all their "real science" was fake. It is not "my" data, but if you wish to go along with the liars and fakers, who's to stop you?
I'm not going to defend Faucci. He deserves all his critics.

The recently published MASSIVE scale study proves everything in this piece of fiction is indeed a lie. When there's over 1.4 Billion vaccinations administered...and the results are exactly as predicted...but the paper you publish has data that is absolutely phoney....because you are talking about a 10% SAE. When I know beyond all doubt that a 2% SAE gets a drug pulled immediately.

So....the publishers of your paper are liars.

The problem is that truth has a limit....but lies have no limits. You keep quoting liars as truth....but their lies keep growing and changing. The truth doesn't change. It hasn't changed. And what I've claimed about AstraZenneca and J&J's vaccines has been proven to be true as well. The truth I've been saying about the mRNA vaccines has also been proven to be true.
On the other hand you have made changing fantastic claims of literally millions of people maimed and disabled and dead from a vaccine. There literally are not enough people on the planet to make your claims to be true. Tens of Thousands in EVERY city would fall dead. Not hidden and unnumbered people. People we would know personally. I know of no one hurt by vaccinations. Heard of no one...none of my friends families either. But covid injury and deaths? Hundreds!
 

gb9

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I'm not going to defend Faucci. He deserves all his critics.

The recently published MASSIVE scale study proves everything in this piece of fiction is indeed a lie. When there's over 1.4 Billion vaccinations administered...and the results are exactly as predicted...but the paper you publish has data that is absolutely phoney....because you are talking about a 10% SAE. When I know beyond all doubt that a 2% SAE gets a drug pulled immediately.

So....the publishers of your paper are liars.

The problem is that truth has a limit....but lies have no limits. You keep quoting liars as truth....but their lies keep growing and changing. The truth doesn't change. It hasn't changed. And what I've claimed about AstraZenneca and J&J's vaccines has been proven to be true as well. The truth I've been saying about the mRNA vaccines has also been proven to be true.
On the other hand you have made changing fantastic claims of literally millions of people maimed and disabled and dead from a vaccine. There literally are not enough people on the planet to make your claims to be true. Tens of Thousands in EVERY city would fall dead. Not hidden and unnumbered people. People we would know personally. I know of no one hurt by vaccinations. Heard of no one...none of my friends families either. But covid injury and deaths? Hundreds!
a lady that my mother is good friends with just had a heart procedure, may have to go back and have another, due to the vax.

her doctor told her that.

so, there you go.
 

vassal

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a lady that my mother is good friends with just had a heart procedure, may have to go back and have another, due to the vax.

her doctor told her that.

so, there you go.
I lost people to the vax , a friend lost a leg due to blood clots soon after the vax.
 

JohnDB

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My brother claims the vax gave him a heart attack too....
HOWEVER,
The decades of tobacco, Marijuana, drugs, alcohol abuse, genetic history of heart issues, and high stress environments with no anger management skills as well as never ever seeing a doctor unless he was literally dying might have something to do with it.

But according to my brother it was solely the fault of the vax.

So excuse me if I take these anecdotes less than seriously.
 

ZNP

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My brother claims the vax gave him a heart attack too....
HOWEVER,
The decades of tobacco, Marijuana, drugs, alcohol abuse, genetic history of heart issues, and high stress environments with no anger management skills as well as never ever seeing a doctor unless he was literally dying might have something to do with it.

But according to my brother it was solely the fault of the vax.

So excuse me if I take these anecdotes less than seriously.
That is a very good point, just because the government legalizes alcohol and tobacco so they can make a whole lot of money off of them from taxes does not mean they would legalize a vaccine that also does great harm simply to make a few filthy dollars in tax revenue.
 

iamsoandso

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That is a very good point, just because the government legalizes alcohol and tobacco so they can make a whole lot of money off of them from taxes does not mean they would legalize a vaccine that also does great harm simply to make a few filthy dollars in tax revenue.

Yep it's all about money.. In Texas Abbott say Marijuana is illegal,,but then he says hemp is legal,, then they set up shops everywhere in Texas to buy it and now everyone is running around everywhere smoking it(thanks Abbott for letting everyone drive around eating your gummy bears and smoking your hemp and taking your mushrooms,,that make me really feel safe for my family) The police don't even know what to do anymore ,,it's illegal, it's legal,,is it hemp?, is it marijuana who knows?
 

ZNP

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Yep it's all about money.. In Texas Abbott say Marijuana is illegal,,but then he says hemp is legal,, then they set up shops everywhere in Texas to buy it and now everyone is running around everywhere smoking it(thanks Abbott for letting everyone drive around eating your gummy bears and smoking your hemp and taking your mushrooms,,that make me really feel safe for my family) The police don't even know what to do anymore ,,it's illegal, it's legal,,is it hemp?, is it marijuana who knows?
I visited Portland and they have more marijuana shops than Fast food restaurants. It seemed like Marijuana shops and homeless people living in tents were the two most prevalent things you could see.
 

iamsoandso

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I visited Portland and they have more marijuana shops than Fast food restaurants. It seemed like Marijuana shops and homeless people living in tents were the two most prevalent things you could see.

Yep I just never thought Texas would do that so to me it's scary. We went on a road trip several months ago so stopped at a burger place and the people behind the counter were so hopped up we had to tell them what we wanted 2 or 3 time before they understood.
 

Nehemiah6

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I lost people to the vax , a friend lost a leg due to blood clots soon after the vax.
But the naysayers will continue with their lies and deception. They also sabotaged Nuremberg 2.0, which would have seen Fauci et all executed for crimes against humanity.
 

vassal

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But the naysayers will continue with their lies and deception. They also sabotaged Nuremberg 2.0, which would have seen Fauci et all executed for crimes against humanity.
Yes I know, there is something terribly evil going on but people do not see it and I cannot explain why, to me it it obvious the covid scam was planned in advance and more scam to come... this is really sad, I lost friends who did not believe me and I mean some to broken friendship some from death of this poison jab. I fear they are planning more nefarious injections.

We are in the last days.

Blessings.
 

Gideon300

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That's because you are simply ignoring the hard data. Christians -- at least -- should not be promoting lies.

Who’d have guessed that there would be two startling revelations about the great covid over-reach in the space of about a week, upholding claims previously dismissed as conspiracy theories and misinformation?

First, a peer-reviewed scientific study linked covid vaccines to a range of serious health disorders, and then the Queensland Supreme Court ruled that the vaccine mandates imposed on police and ambulance workers were unlawful.

Both provide a welcome dose of reality after the worst days of lockdowns and vaccine roll-outs, when we were all indoctrinated with the message that the jabs were perfectly ‘safe and effective’.

Now we know for certain that they don’t prevent contraction or transmission of the virus and there’s an acknowledged chance they could kill or maim you.

Some of us have been aware of that for a long time, but of course vaccine promoters including Big Pharma and government bureaucrats will still insist that the risk is “very low” the acknowledged disorders are “rare” and vaccines still provide the best means of protection against covid.

https://principia-scientific.com/can-covid-catastrophists-stoop-any-lower/
"Should not be promoting lies". Absolutely. And that is exactly why I reject the assertion that COVID vaccines are deadly. Most Australians are vaccinated. Most Australians are not dead. Statistics. Reality. You should try it sometime. You might like it.
 

Gideon300

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well, my mother was 71 during covid in 2020. i used and got her to use a mix of vitamins and supplements that doctors and scientists that did not go along with the narrative .

and she never got covid, and neither did I.

no vax needed. her and i never took it, never will.
Your choice, and that's fine. I would not force vaccination on people. I chose to be vaccinated. You heard of Marcus Lamb, founder of Daystar? He was an ardent anti vaxxer. He changed his tune when he got Covid. Too late for him. He had to explain to God why he rejected the vaccination.

I was vaccinated because I have a preexisting heart condition. If the anti vaxxers were right, the vaccination should have killed me. Sorry to disappoint you all, but I'm still here. That could change tomorrow as I've reached my allotted time on earth. I'm praying for an extension as I have unfinished business here on earth.
 
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PART II

Total reactions for the mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273 (CX-024414) from Moderna: 11,454 deaths and 629,641 injuries to 15/03/2022
  • 16,268 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 125 deaths
  • 21,419 Cardiac disorders incl. 1,232 deaths
  • 202 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 13 deaths
  • 7,318 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 8 deaths
  • 613 Endocrine disorders incl. 6 deaths
  • 8,478 Eye disorders incl. 35 deaths
  • 50,622 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 430 deaths
  • 167,548 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 3,760 deaths
  • 864 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 58 deaths
  • 6,262 Immune system disorders incl. 22 deaths
  • 27,094 Infections and infestations incl. 1,063 deaths
  • 10,981 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 217 deaths
  • 13,871 Investigations incl. 396 deaths
  • 5,254 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 270 deaths
  • 77,708 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 229 deaths
  • 744 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 86 deaths
  • 104,784 Nervous system disorders incl. 1,092 deaths
  • 972 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 10 deaths
  • 111 Product issues incl. 4 deaths
  • 10,458 Psychiatric disorders incl. 184 deaths
  • 3,382 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 224 deaths
  • 16,271 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 9 deaths
  • 26,098 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 1,206 deaths
  • 31,845 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 100 deaths
  • 2,429 Social circumstances incl. 45 deaths
  • 4,547 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 211 deaths
  • 13,498 Vascular disorders incl. 419 deaths
Total reactions for the vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 8,490 deaths and 1,204,744 injuries to 15/03/2022
  • 14,381 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 294 deaths
  • 21,952 Cardiac disorders incl. 890 deaths
  • 250 Congenital familial and genetic disorders incl. 9 deaths
  • 13,876 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 7 deaths
  • 736 Endocrine disorders incl. 6 deaths
  • 20,677 Eye disorders incl. 32 deaths
  • 110,238 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 457 deaths
  • 319,875 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 1,944 deaths
  • 1,085 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 74 deaths
  • 5,664 Immune system disorders incl. 42 deaths
  • 48,939 Infections and infestations incl. 681 deaths
  • 14,297 Injury poisoning and procedural complications incl. 217 deaths
  • 27,658 Investigations incl. 220 deaths
  • 13,427 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 134 deaths
  • 174,019 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 175 deaths
  • 801 Neoplasms benign malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 48 deaths
  • 241,639 Nervous system disorders incl. 1,243 deaths
  • 658 Pregnancy puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 22 deaths
  • 201 Product issues incl. 1 death
  • 21,701 Psychiatric disorders incl. 75 deaths
  • 4,501 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 88 deaths
  • 17,618 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 3 deaths
  • 42,871 Respiratory thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 1,149 deaths
  • 53,736 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 71 deaths
  • 1,762 Social circumstances incl. 9 deaths
  • 2,534 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 37 deaths
  • 29,648 Vascular disorders incl. 562 deaths
Total reactions for the COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson: 2,651 deaths and 138,793 injuries to 15/03/2022
  • 1,372 Blood and lymphatic system disorders incl. 58 deaths
  • 2,896 Cardiac disorders incl. 222 deaths
  • 47 Congenital, familial and genetic disorders incl. 1 death
  • 1,477 Ear and labyrinth disorders incl. 3 deaths
  • 112 Endocrine disorders incl. 2 deaths
  • 1,819 Eye disorders incl. 11 deaths
  • 10,096 Gastrointestinal disorders incl. 97 deaths
  • 37,546 General disorders and administration site conditions incl. 755 deaths
  • 171 Hepatobiliary disorders incl. 17 deaths
  • 605 Immune system disorders incl. 10 deaths
  • 10,123 Infections and infestations incl. 225 deaths
  • 1,297 Injury, poisoning and procedural complications incl. 31 deaths
  • 6,680 Investigations incl. 141 deaths
  • 856 Metabolism and nutrition disorders incl. 69 deaths
  • 18,107 Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders incl. 60 deaths
  • 102 Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) incl. 10 deaths
  • 24,907 Nervous system disorders incl. 258 deaths
  • 72 Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions incl. 1 death
  • 33 Product issues
  • 1,958 Psychiatric disorders incl. 28 deaths
  • 597 Renal and urinary disorders incl. 37 deaths
  • 3,471 Reproductive system and breast disorders incl. 7 deaths
  • 4,903 Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders incl. 331 deaths
  • 4,125 Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders incl. 12 deaths
  • 450 Social circumstances incl. 5 deaths
  • 1,015 Surgical and medical procedures incl. 83 deaths
  • 3,956 Vascular disorders incl. 177 deaths

*These totals are estimates based on reports submitted to EudraVigilance. Totals may be much higher based on percentage of adverse reactions that are reported. Some of these reports may also be reported to the individual country’s adverse reaction databases, such as the U.S. VAERS database and the UK Yellow Card system. The fatalities are grouped by symptoms, and some fatalities may have resulted from multiple symptoms.
U.S. Attorney: 1100 percent Increase in Military Deaths Following COVID Vaccines – “This is Genocide”
More VAERS-Reported Vaccine Deaths In Our Military Than COVID Deaths


Both political parties are salivating to draw our military into the Russia-Ukraine war, but neither of them seems to care about what our own leaders have done to these soldiers.
It is now abundantly clear from numerous data points that the shots have caused unimaginable injury among the general population. Military doctors have come forward to show the enormity of this damage in the military, yet the military has chosen to cover it up and tamper with their own health surveillance data in order to conceal the magnitude of the injury.
Meanwhile, new data presented in a Florida federal court on behalf of a Navy SEAL demonstrates that, at a minimum, more people died from the shot than from COVID.
On March 10, attorney Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel presented data in court showing 127 VAERS-reported COVID vaccine-related deaths in the military in 2021. That is more than the 93 reported COVID deaths in the military since the beginning of the pandemic.
And keep in mind, COVID deaths tend to be overestimated, while VAERS-reported deaths, especially in the military, are underreported. Even CDC researchers recently conceded that “the actual rates of myocarditis per million doses of vaccine are likely higher than estimated” by VAERS reports.

See more here: vaccineimpact.com
Yes, I've been following this since 2021 and your research is very good. Lines up with mine. Thanks for being brave enough to share your research.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Yes I know, there is something terribly evil going on but people do not see it and I cannot explain why, to me it it obvious the covid scam was planned in advance and more scam to come... this is really sad, I lost friends who did not believe me and I mean some to broken friendship some from death of this poison jab. I fear they are planning more nefarious injections.

We are in the last days.

Blessings.
Devil Bill Rockefeller
Is the common belly crawlin' swindler portrayed in many old westerns.
He is the father of modern medicine, based upon the snake oil and business practices that he peddled. It has become a major financial"success" for like minded individuals. They were able to get control of key positions to demonize and outlaw their competition. Deception is their key to profits, controlling the narrative through their media and persuading the public to idolize the medical mafia system.

People will only be safe when they repent of their idolatry and get the right perspective.

 

HealthAndHappiness

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My wife recently went to an allergist to get answers because she has what appears to be a persistent sinus infection. They recommended she gets a pneumovax 23 vaccine. My wife did not like the reviews from folks who received it and refused it.

Pneumovax-23 Injection Reviews and User Ratings: Effectiveness, Ease of Use, and Satisfaction (webmd.com)
My doctor's brief Response.

Its really none of my business, so I hope she doesn't think I'm trying to tell her what to do. This is just offered in Christian love to a sister who sounds like she cares enough to make her own decisions in spite of the recommendation of her allergist.

If she wants another woman's perspective, review if you will, I think Dr Daniels will offer a professional well informed view. Unlike the doctors who make large commissions from referrals, she gave that up to help others to achieve their health goals
 
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My doctor's brief Response.

Its really none of my business, so I hope she doesn't think I'm trying to tell her what to do. This is just offered in Christian love to a sister who sounds like she cares enough to make her own decisions in spite of the recommendation of her allergist.

If she wants another woman's perspective, review if you will, I think Dr Daniels will offer a professional well informed view. Unlike the doctors who make large commissions from referrals, she gave that up to help others to achieve their health goals
If she wants to get rid of her sinus problem, you might want to ask her doctor for a presciption of Nebulized Budesonide 0.25mg per dosage. Of course she would need to purchase a nebulizer. We bought one on Amazon. It worked great for us!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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If she wants to get rid of her sinus problem, you might want to ask her doctor for a presciption of Nebulized Budesonide 0.25mg per dosage. Of course she would need to purchase a nebulizer. We bought one on Amazon. It worked great for us!
That was actually Mailman Dan that I was responding to about his wife. But yeah, I've got a nebulizer on hand in case a family member comes down with respiratory symptoms. It's a great little device.
It would be good for everyone to learn how to use them IMHO.

For simple sinus inflammation and infections, I've found that flushing with saline solution from a sterile irrigation bottle, similar to a netty pot, has worked well short term for us . I have other personal protocols depending.
I recently took another class on this topic recently and to look for the root cause.

I was thinking of a recent video of a patient who was going down hill quickly from a hospital treatment that has killed a lot of others with respiratory issues. He was going down quickly. He rejected their protocol before he died and insisted on budesonide and another treatment that slips my mind. He was out of that hell hole in no time.