MYSTERY, BABYLON

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lol Zone. Where does this come from? I am talking about Antisemetism.. Again did you read what I posted he said should happen to all Jews? He got this belief from the catholic church. The same catholic church who created ammilenialism.

Do I care about that religion? Yes. And I will speak against it. But that religion doing what it is doing does not mean they are the harlot. Or that there will be 1000 year reign. If you want to talk about them. lets do it. But that is not the topic here. the topic is ammilenialism vs pre.
No, the topic is who is the Mother of Harlots, and you still havn't answered this post:

EG have you calmed down enough to answer this post?

Are you still claiming that Israel/Jerusalem was not called a harlot in the OT?

Then Ezekiel is a false prophet yes, when he talks to Jerusalem thus:

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;


???

Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:

HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

Do you still claim a wife cannot be a harlot?
 
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Yes it is about Doctrine. It is also about My God. Who is dishonored when people say his prophesies will not literally come true.
Who has said His prophecies do not literally come true?

He is dishonoured when people insist on His prophecies having a carnal, earthly fulfillment instead of a SPIRITUAL fulfillment like what is taught throughout the New Testament.

New Testament, ya know.....the one for us Christians to get our doctrines and eschaetology from.
 
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Who has said His prophecies do not literally come true?

He is dishonoured when people insist on His prophecies having a carnal, earthly fulfillment instead of a SPIRITUAL fulfillment like what is taught throughout the New Testament.

New Testament, ya know.....the one for us Christians to get our doctrines and eschaetology from.
So does that mean Jerusalem in Revelation which you quoted has a spiritual fulfillment not a literal? According to what you said it is spiritual Jerusalem.
 
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So does that mean Jerusalem in Revelation which you quoted has a spiritual fulfillment not a literal? According to what you said it is spiritual Jerusalem.
It's literally spiritual.

Wasnt there a post a while back you didnt answer?
 
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Even if I Answer you will not believe
You were trying to teach me how to read the bible properly.

You said you cant have literal and symbolic in the same verse.

Do you still maintain this?

If yes, can you answer the post I made where I gave you a riddle to solve.

Are you gonna make me go and find it?

Ok hold on....here...

Is that the rule is it?

Lets just choose a Rev verse at random...here...

(Revelation 18:3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


I've redded two words.

Tell me, are they both symbolic or are they both literal?

Lets have your answer please, its not a question of me believing it...you said there is a rule in scripture I would like you to show this. It's about logical reasoning.
 
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You were trying to teach me how to read the bible properly.

You said you cant have literal and symbolic in the same verse.

Do you still maintain this?

If yes, can you answer the post I made where I gave you a riddle to solve.

Are you gonna make me go and find it?

Ok hold on....here...

Is that the rule is it?

Lets just choose a Rev verse at random...here...

(Revelation 18:3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


I've redded two words.

Tell me, are they both symbolic or are they both literal?

Lets have your answer please, its not a question of me believing it...you said there is a rule in scripture I would like you to show this. It's about logical reasoning.
First show me texts explaining fornication
 
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First show me texts explaining fornication
Dodge much?

It's a simple question...why cant you answer?

C'mon...you patronizingly implied that I dont know how to read the bible.

Simple question...are they both symbolic or are they both literal?

Why do I need to show you texts?

you can admit that you were wrong ya know.....
 
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You can expect too much. :)
 
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You can expect too much. :)
Can count the amount of peeps who've actually admitted they were wrong round these forums on one hand.

Noticed Superdave do it the other day on a thread. Admirable when a man can admit he's wrong to an opponent.
 

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Can count the amount of peeps who've actually admitted they were wrong round these forums on one hand.

Noticed Superdave do it the other day on a thread. Admirable when a man can admit he's wrong to an opponent.

That's exactly the point. Laodicea and EG are our christian brothers. They aren't opponents.

God Bless You
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Can count the amount of peeps who've actually admitted they were wrong round these forums on one hand.

Noticed Superdave do it the other day on a thread. Admirable when a man can admit he's wrong to an opponent.
Why thank you. Since I admitted I was wrong the other day when I showed I was wrong and it was proven. Nice to hear you think I am so admirable :D
 
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That's exactly the point. Laodicea and EG are our christian brothers. They aren't opponents.

God Bless You
Hey bro. Zone and I have our moments. But we alwaya make up. because she is my sister. And yes Laodecia is my brother.

But some people thinks that if you do not agree 100 % with them on all things. You can't be a christian or his brother.

I have seen alot of that on here. And it is so sad!
 

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Is every single person on here your Christian Brother grandpa?
No, I'm sure they are not. But EG and Laodicea are, I'm pretty sure of that.

One time I had an argument with my senior pastor over some doctrinal things. We never really did settle any doctrinal issues but you know what he said when we were done? He said it is ok for us to disagree on things as long as we don't disagree on Salvation issues. He said it is more important for us to shake hands and be brothers in Christ at the end than to "be right". What do you think?

God Bless You
 
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No, I'm sure they are not. But EG and Laodicea are, I'm pretty sure of that.

One time I had an argument with my senior pastor over some doctrinal things. We never really did settle any doctrinal issues but you know what he said when we were done? He said it is ok for us to disagree on things as long as we don't disagree on Salvation issues. He said it is more important for us to shake hands and be brothers in Christ at the end than to "be right". What do you think?

God Bless You
I think your pastor was a very wise and mature man for saying that. Thats the way we all should be. I think of Paul in romans 8 I think where they were arguing about what day the sabbath was and what we should eat or not eat.

We are human, We will have disagreements. But as long as we believe the one true Gospel. we are still brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
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Why thank you. Since I admitted I was wrong the other day when I showed I was wrong and it was proven. Nice to hear you think I am so admirable :D
Indeed admirable, although I didnt see where you did it, only Superdave.

Maybe your ready to make such an admission regarding this topic...?...?..?

....or continue with our debate?

Can a wife be a whore (a word that means to commit adultery)??
 
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No, I'm sure they are not. But EG and Laodicea are, I'm pretty sure of that.

One time I had an argument with my senior pastor over some doctrinal things. We never really did settle any doctrinal issues but you know what he said when we were done? He said it is ok for us to disagree on things as long as we don't disagree on Salvation issues. He said it is more important for us to shake hands and be brothers in Christ at the end than to "be right". What do you think?

God Bless You
I say there are salvation issues and DECEPTION issues which effect salvation. Both are important, and its not ok to agree to disagree on either.

When someone is solid in both areas....I call them my brethren.
 
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Hey bro. Zone and I have our moments. But we alwaya make up. because she is my sister. And yes Laodecia is my brother.

But some people thinks that if you do not agree 100 % with them on all things. You can't be a christian or his brother.

I have seen alot of that on here. And it is so sad!
I agree with you
 
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Laodicea

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No, I'm sure they are not. But EG and Laodicea are, I'm pretty sure of that.

One time I had an argument with my senior pastor over some doctrinal things. We never really did settle any doctrinal issues but you know what he said when we were done? He said it is ok for us to disagree on things as long as we don't disagree on Salvation issues. He said it is more important for us to shake hands and be brothers in Christ at the end than to "be right". What do you think?

God Bless You
God Bless you