Women Pastors

[Stan_the_Man]

In my travels many small country churches don't have a male to be pastor. My sister attended a church like this who had a female pastor, she was a single older woman. I assume you believe it's better the church be closed and sold rather then have a female pastor.

Reckon Jesus is incapable of providing a pastor for their small country church?

That's just the excuse women use to become the "pastor" which puts therm in disobedience to the Lord.

Was Paul simply speaking from a cultural perspective and from his religious training when he said this?

That's the exact excuse some women use that want to be pastors.

For them this is a convenient way to believe they can ignore what the Lord said thru Paul.

 

[Aaron56]

Believers: I notice we are trying to fit our understanding of the role of women within the church into a form of traditional gathering on Sundays. Also, Westerners are addicted to the question "who gets to rule over whom?" Traditionally, men have used their superiority complex to oppress both men and women. These are some of the reasons we cannot receive wisdom about this topic: we're stuck in our own traditions and biases.

I am working on something that will expand this topic from a heavenly, mind of Christ, perspective.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Reckon Jesus is incapable of providing a pastor for their small country church?

That's just the excuse women use to become the "pastor" which puts therm in disobedience to the Lord.

So it's God's fault? No male pastor was available. Do you close the church?

 

[Mem]

Just saying, the world experienced a deluge because of similar attitudes that are being expressed in these days. And Nephilim didn't learn anything from it.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

So it's God's fault? No male pastor was available. Do you close the church?

You can blame God if you'd like and claim He failed.

If they would have believed God, the Lord would have brought them a male pastor.

 

[Dino246]

Except when the Bible speaks of the "office" or a deacon, just like the "office" of an elder/bishop. Both offices are reserved for married men who have shown that their children are not out of line.

Please quote chapter and verse where this "office" is identified as an "office".

 

[Dino246]

The worse "cursed" is used for the serpent and man. While the word cursed is not used for the woman, I believe all three, as well as all creation, were cursed based on context.

KJV Genesis 3

[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
[17] And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Actually, the word "cursed" is used for the serpent and the ground, not the man.

 

[Dino246]

Yep, but not all servants are deacons. Scripture defines the office of a deacon. I’m going with scripture and you should too.

See my post to Nehemiah, #46.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You can blame God if you'd like and claim He failed.

If they would have believed God, the Lord would have brought them a male pastor.

You're judging people now. So they close the church? I didn't blame God, you did.

 

[Dino246]

The scriptures posted speak for themselves. A deacon, pastor, church leader must be the husband of one wife. Pretty hard to misunderstand that

It's pretty easy to see that as a prohibition against polygamy, which was far more common than polyandry.

If you think you have some "homework" that proves 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, and 1 Timothy 2:12,13 to be false doctrine then post it up.

That's silly. I have no need to assert that these passages are false doctrine, but I'm comfortable stating that many interpretations of them are false.

 

[Snackersmom]

Except when the Bible speaks of the "office" or a deacon, just like the "office" of an elder/bishop. Both offices are reserved for married men who have shown that their children are not out of line.

Married men only? What if his wife dies, must he step down from leadership? And what about the fact that most of the apostles were single, including Paul? Seems to me I recall him saying something about it being BETTER to remain single so you can focus more on God

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

As much as I agree with scripture, there are places where God chose women to do certain roles of man over man.

1. Mary Magdalene
Jesus picked her to be the first one to see Him after His Resurrection and to tell the Good News to the others/men

2. Priscilla
She became a missionary under Paul's teachings

3. Phebe
the Greek words used for her duties also mean Deacon/Minister

4. the Samaritan Women Jesus met at the "Well of Jacob" and revealed He was the Messiah
She went to her town and told everyone similar to what an evangelist would do



I have concluded that God uses women same as men but never in the role of Shepherd.

I also will say that God does what God wants and each situation is never the same.

 

[Snackersmom]

And why was 2nd John addressed "To the elect lady" ?

Assuming John was addressing an actual lady with those ensuing instructions for shepherding a flock, could that mean.......*gasp*........... NOOOOO......A WOMAN WAS ACTUALLY FOLLOWING JESUS' COMMAND TO MAKE DISCIPLES AND HELP PEOPLE GROW IN THE FAITH I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE SUCH A THING WOULD HAPPEN THIS IS TERRIBLE......................*dies*

I would assume that John would have addressed the letter to the lady's husband if she had one. So maybe she was one of those radical women who stayed single so we could do whatever God asked us to do, like the virgin sisters who prophesied and ministered to Paul. *shrugs*

 

[BillyBob]

God made man and women alike yes women can do anything they put their minds to just like men. But I cannot imagine a women back in those days, going out to different places and start preaching. The mentality then was very different, and these times were most likely dangerous for women to move about long distances away from home as today but probably more then. God said go forth and multiply, this is the main reason they cannot serve as preachers, the family structure is sacred and has a purpose, It is not by lack of capabilities that they women could not but due to duty to the family unit of bearing and raising children. I think the writings of Paul did not help the cause of women but reduced it to a basic biological role of procreation and weakness and I disagree with this. do not forget Paul was a pharisee taught by pharisees.

One day perhaps things will change.

Do not try to make the question of women ministers a sign of the times! God did not say that the office was to be filled by men until I tell you otherwise.

I would agree that there are plenty of women who, on surface, would be judged to have more knowledge than the men around them. However, that does not remove the qualification that God has placed on this high office.

 

[Dino246]

I've said this before, and will probably say it again:

There is NO Biblical restriction (or hint thereof) against women being pastors.

If you think there is, then please post the Scripture. Just don't waste your time quoting passages about elders or deacons... because they aren't the same thing.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Married men only? What if his wife dies, must he step down from leadership? And what about the fact that most of the apostles were single, including Paul? Seems to me I recall him saying something about it being BETTER to remain single so you can focus more on God

You are mixing up a lot of different things. So just to clarify:

1. If a man has been married and his wife dies, that is not even an issue. He was married to begin with. A bishop [overseer] then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (1 Tim 3:2) Offering hospitality would generally involve the wife.

2. The apostles were not pastor/elder/bishops in local churches. God is giving instructions for the leadership in local assemblies. The apostles were essentially missionaries, traveling to different parts. But as Paul said all the other apostles were in fact married! He himself may have been a widower, since early marriage was the norm in Jewish society.

3. Paul was speaking in a certain context about it being better to remain single. At the same time he said that marriage is honorable in all. And the Bible is very clear that the married state is preferable for the majority of people. That is what God ordained in Genesis 1.

 

[NightTwister]

I've said this before, and will probably say it again:

There is NO Biblical restriction (or hint thereof) against women being pastors.

If you think there is, then please post the Scripture. Just don't waste your time quoting passages about elders or deacons... because they aren't the same thing.

A pastor is teaching elder.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is NO Biblical restriction (or hint thereof) against women being pastors.

That is simply not true. Who other than male pastor/elder/bishops were given leadership authority in the churches? Women are CLEARLY forbidden to preach, teach, or usurp (unlawfully assume) authority in the churches. And Scripture says so plainly. But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (1 Tim 2:12) On the surface this sounds as though Paul is the one responsible for this teaching, but the context here (and in other related passages) makes it clear that these are instructions from God going back to Eve and her being deceived and thus disobeying God.

 

[BillyBob]

There is NO Biblical restriction (or hint thereof) against women being pastors.

Does your church have women in leadership? That's the only reason that I can think of to make you argue the point! If that is so, maybe you should consider a new church!

 

[Dino246]

A pastor is teaching elder.

Chapter and verse, please.