Predestination is misunderstood...

[Genez]

It looks like you just like to disagree with people with this response.

Why would you reject the scripture I posted with this response, This is what you call provocative behaviour.

I take it you know provocative behaviour is also someone who puts stumbling blocks in front of people.

This behaviour also will not go unpunished By God.

And you could get handed over to reprobate mind until you conform to his word, they same thing happened to Saul.

Saul was not handed over by God to become an uncontrollable sodomite like we find in Romans One..
His problem with God was not the same as those mentioned in Romans One.
Just like with your distorting the Word all the time mostly done out of ignorance and a resentment of authority.

You have not been able to put everything in its place, and keep having nail points sticking out on the seats of the wooden chairs you slam together to have others sit on....

Now.... God will deal with you, just as He deals with me.

But. you need to be warned.

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with them. Titus 3:10

That was my second warning to you. You decide from here on if you are to go onto Ignore.

 

[Genez]

John 10:35-38 KJV
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Ex. 7:1 And the Lord said to Moses, "see, I have made you a gd to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

Ps. 82:6 I have said ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High.

Its knowing the Word of God "correctly" that God delegates power and authority to the ones having such standing with God.

 

[PaulThomson]

Its knowing the Word of God "correctly" that God delegates power and authority to the ones having such standing with God.

And calls them gods.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

And calls them gods.

He also said found in their LAW. Psalms is "not" any part of the Law. He used the same tactic they used when they tried to trap Him with greatest Commandment, the divorce issue of Moses, and even stoning the woman caught in adultery.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Saul was not handed over by God to become an uncontrollable sodomite like we find in Romans One..
His problem with God was not the same as those mentioned in Romans One.
Just like with your distorting the Word all the time mostly done out of ignorance and a resentment of authority.

You have not been able to put everything in its place, and keep having nail points sticking out on the seats of the wooden chairs you slam together to have others sit on....

Now.... God will deal with you, just as He deals with me.

But. you need to be warned.

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with them. Titus 3:10

That was my second warning to you. You decide from here on if you are to go onto Ignore.

Every post you make you post a provoking comment.

When are you going to realise that your not even going to get close to provoking me.

You must think im one of your many victims you've been easily been able to victimise and just brush aside,..with the way in which you use scripture to hide behind.

Your comments are not Christian in nature,

 

[Genez]

Every post you make you post a provoking comment.

When are you going to realise that your not even going to get close to provoking me.

You must think im one of your many victims you've been easily been able to victimise and just brush aside,..with the way in which you use scripture to hide behind.

Your comments are not Christian in nature,

So?

Straightening out distortion....

Is provoking to you?

I will let God's Word be my witness...

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."


Proverbs 12:1


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[Genez]

And calls them gods.

After all...

He is King of "kings" and Lord of "lords."​

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[Thunderrr-mental]

So?

Straightening out distortion....

Is provoking to you?

I will let God's Word be my witness...

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."


Proverbs 12:1


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Using scripture to insult people with is something satan would do. Just saying.

So?

Straightening out distortion....

Is provoking to you?

I will let God's Word be my witness...

"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid."


Proverbs 12:1


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You remind me of satan citing scripture for his own purpose.

 

[Genez]

Using scripture to insult people with is something satan would do. Just saying.
You remind me of satan citing scripture for his own purpose.

Good bye......

IGNORE.... is a must sorry to say.

No more responses from me to you.
But, I will keep an eye on what you try to pull off with others here.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Good bye......

IGNORE.... is a must sorry to say.

No more responses from me to you.
But, I will keep an eye on what you try to pull off with others here.

Try not to chuck your rattle out of the pram when your in your favourite mood, which is ignorance 😊

 

[Genez]

Yes... But I do not think you are ready for it yet.

If you already know that there was a previous creation run by angels?
Then I could explain.

It would require first teaching about the prehistoric created world that was destroyed just before Genesis 1:2.
That causes much resistance and can drag on in a forum like this one ....

It looks like I would need to wait for that to be first understood before the origin for the Lake of Fire could be explained.

That's what I meant by, not "being ready."

 

[maxamir]

I don't disagree with what you have written given how you have framed and limited grace. But I disagree with couching grace as you have.

My Bible mentions the word grace 137 times and not once is it to do with the wicked reprobate who only receive wrath from God no matter how much they may think of it as being any type of grace.

The danger of promoting the free sovereign particular grace of God to every person is to make the sacrifice of Christ into a common thing and insult the Spirit of grace (Heb 10:29) as well as turn the grace of God into lawlessness (Jud 1:4).

For further study I would recommend the resource page below.

Resources on Uncommon Grace

 

[maxamir]

So God's mercy proves that he can change anyone he wishes to change.
So who else can't be saved by God?

anyone He wishes not to save.

Those who die in their sin will prove themselves to be reprobates, never chosen by God for salvation and left to the sin they love to their just judgement.

Hence the Scriptures give the warnings below.

2Pe_1:10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

Php_2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[maxamir]

Was Adam predestined to sin?

God indeed predestined all things, even the Fall by the choice of man at the temptation of the devil, in order to demonstrate and glorify His holy hatred of evil and His holy love in saving His people from that evil by grace in Christ, who would have never been able to know of any of these holy attributes without the Fall.

Gen 50:20 But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.

 

[maxamir]

The scriptures declare if you do what is right you will be accepted by God,.and you will change your destiny, and the scriptures declare that God prewarns you to do what is right before you do wrong, so you do have a choice to do what is right and seek God.

So once again you choose to shoot without seeking.

Oh and I'm still waiting for you to declare the scriptures that suggest satan fell after the fall, which I know you know. ☕

God's will of command and warnings both work toward His will of decree. He commands those things which are impossible for man to do, so that man would not look to himself but rather outside of himself to God to whom nothing is impossible.

 

[Nehemiah6]

He commands those things which are impossible for man to do, so that man would not look to himself but rather outside of himself to God to whom nothing is impossible.

Why would anyone "look to himself" for salvation? By the same token no one is saved without responding to the Gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16). But you have no use for the Gospel.

 

[maxamir]

The doctrine of original sin is not stated in the bible and is not a prerequisite for acceptance into Christ and every spiritual blessing in Him.

If you do not see yourself as being lost then you will never be granted to know why Christ came into this world to save those who know they are lost, for God resists the proud and only gives grace to the humble.

Sin is not simply what a person does but what a person is. People are not sinners because they sin. They sin because they are sinners and the reason why they are sinners is because our first parents fell into sin and brought a curse upon all of their children including you.

You may think you are good in some way before God because you compare yourself to others and there will always be someone worse than you in the world but when you compare yourself to God and His perfect standards you will see yourself for who you truly are.

Everything that you do, whether it be thought, word, deed or motive that is not done in faith to the glory of God is sin (Rom 14:23).

Cry out to God while He still gives you breath to give you a new heart so you can see your desperate need for grace in Christ which promises the forgiveness of sins guaranteed in His perfect life, death and resurrection. Eternity is a long time to be wrong!

 

[maxamir]

It's Not people are born in the guilty.Because Adam and Eve didn't listen to God's word, So they have sinned.This applies to everyone.The sins of Adam and Eve are not inherited like DNA.The Bible says that all men are guilty,In fact, it is means that mankind do not follow the word of God.
Jesus was innocent because he obeyed God's will, he follow the word of God, so we call Jesus is God, so be it.

Jesus also said that he did not come for the mankind of Righteousness.This sentence implies that mankind can be Righteousness and innocent.

The Lord Jesus Christ is eternally and inherently righteous which He demonstrated in His perfect obedience to death on the cross to be an atoning substitutionary sacrifice for His cursed people and did so by becoming a curse on their behalf to pay the price they could never pay themselves and secure for them the forgiveness of sins and eternal life by granting them His righteousness in His perfect resurrection from the dead.

 

[maxamir]

Define "hell" according to scripture.

Stop deflecting an answer the question!

Does God love those He casts into Hell?

 

[PaulThomson]

If you do not see yourself as being lost then you will never be granted to know why Christ came into this world to save those who know they are lost, for God resists the proud and only gives grace to the humble.

I was a sinner. I had sinned.I had developed all kinds of sin habits since going astray from the innocence I had in the womb and at birth, as I modeled my behaviour on the behaviour of those around me. I needed a Saviour and a healer. I still do when I miss perfection.. Jesus came into the world to save me. But I was not born with a sin nature and already condemned to hell. Nowhere does the Bible say I was born a sinner. I became a sinner.