Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Magenta said:
Yes, I have seen that movie (watched it many times in my early days as a Christian) and also recommend/post it for others looking for direction. I do wish they had used a different translation and there are others available, too... one of my very profound God encounters was after watching a movie on the life of Christ based on the gospel of Luke. My goodness, it would have been around this time of year, too! Very close/coming up to Passover, in 1988. I have written about that experience before, and it is in my introductory poem, as well...
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I agree with all that you have said about the movie (y)
 
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Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

- Jeremiah 13:23 (KJV)

My understanding goes like this: The leopard cannot change its spots, and the Ethiopian cannot change the color of his skin. God is teaching us that people who are conditioned to commit evil will not be able to do good. They cannot possibly change without the truth of God’s Word.
 
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Deuteronomy 30:6~
The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him
with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. :)
 
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Magenta said:
Here is a post I made about that encounter many Passovers ago..

Many years ago I attended an evangelical Christian church to view a showing on the life of Christ according to the gospel of Luke. I had been raised in a fairly strict Roman Catholic home, though I was not Christian at the time, and I did not know Jesus - at all. I was in a particularly hurting and broken state then, feeling like a total failure in my life and quite hopeless following, among other things, the breakdown of my marriage subsequent to multiple miscarriages, including the still birth of the child I had gotten married for. I had quit the church half my life-time before this. In fact I was quite set against organized religion, and could not be said to be partial to the Bible in any meaningful way, and yet I was curious to know Who Jesus was, even as I was running from God in rebellion and defiance. I consider myself to have been very lost at that time from my present perspective, but God knew exactly where I was.

During my short time at that church to see the movie (which was being shown in two parts over two Saturday evenings around Passover), and attend a couple of Sunday services, I experienced a Divine intervention/encounter which has become part of my personal testimony.

At some point after watching the movie, I experienced an entire body, mind, and soul experience of God's infilling, being bathed in the Light of His unconditional love and forgiveness for me, and all I had done, realizing all the ways I had messed up my life, all my failings, failures, and mistakes, was seen within His absolute knowledge and understanding of how and why I had become the person I was, illuminated in the Light of His unconditional love and total forgiveness. I felt the fullness, strength, and depth of His love so profoundly, I wept uncontrollably, because I also felt so broken and lost and beyond redemption... and most of all, I felt unworthy.

Though I cherished in my heart the experience of knowing I was loved and forgiven by God (which probably went a long way to saving my life at the time), I did not believe in "that" God, and went on my way from that life-saving experience thinking it was too bad it happened in a church. I had begun a spiritual seeking phase, and carried on in that for another fifteen years, until God once again revealed Himself to me and clearly called me out of what I was doing with another profound and earth-shattering divine intervention, which completely turned my world upside down. Still, even after that clear calling out, my stiff-necked stubbornness was so set against religion, the Bible, and Him, that it took another year following the calling out for me to lay down my opposition and fully surrender my life to Him.
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God is so Good! He kept revealing Himself at the perfect times when you were able to "hear Him" the most. Praise God He kept knocking on your heart and you let Him in!
 
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selahsays said:
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

- Jeremiah 13:23 (KJV)

My understanding goes like this: The leopard cannot change its spots, and the Ethiopian cannot change the color of his skin. God is teaching us that people who are conditioned to commit evil will not be able to do good. They cannot possibly change without the truth of God’s Word.
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Excellent explanation and I could not agree any more even if it were possible :cool:
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
God is so Good! He kept revealing Himself at the perfect times when you were able to "hear Him" the most.
Praise God He kept knocking on your heart and you let Him in!
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I praise the Lord for I know His goodness. His love endures forever!


Praise the Lord
:)
 
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selahsays said:
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

- Jeremiah 13:23 (KJV)

My understanding goes like this: The leopard cannot change its spots, and the Ethiopian cannot change the color of his skin. God is teaching us that people who are conditioned to commit evil will not be able to do good. They cannot possibly change without the truth of God’s Word.
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The answer to those questions is "Yes, but it is not a common thing to see happen."
 
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Magenta said:
Ah! Haha, not quite every verse .:D. Nowhere close, in fact, though last year I think I did close to 150 new ones...

I am currently on a bit of a Sabbatical...
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I would imagine it is time consuming and gets intense after doing so many of them.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I would imagine it is time consuming and gets intense after doing so many of them.
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It is time consuming to be sure, a real labour of love, but it suits me well, even down to the seeking out of images to play with (for I am collaging and collect from sites that offer all kinds of images free for use in personal projects), as I have multiple decades of experience sorting through and looking at other people's pictures, which I then correct for density, colour, and contrast, which I also do for the items I source online, looking at hundreds and hundreds of images to select maybe only a few to a dozen from those each time I go looking, and then sizing, positioning, and making multiple other edits to each, including lots of erasing (LOL) and blending, in an attempt to bring the whole into a harmonious balance. I do give God the credit, for even as a non-believer I knew He had a hand in giving me the only job I knew I wanted to do after dropping out of both high school and college, and generally being pretty lost in life... and it was there I learned remedial photoshop skills when digital first came in about 20 years ago... though I did not start designing my own panels until early 2018. I am still working though only part time now, six hour days, three days a week, at my third photo lab job, which I started in 1982.
 
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BillyBob said:
I am not sure if these questions were directed at my post or not. However, if they are directed at me, then why?
I only claimed that Adam had the ability to please God which was lost with the fall of man. Adam had that ability but we do not unless we are changed in some way. We can only be changed by hearing the word of God and the Spirit changing us within.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I would never attempt to tell anyone what they can/cannot believe. I cannot see into their heart, only God has that ability!
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I just inserted the thought into the thread as it came to me while I was folding my whites and putting them away, and it only happened to be right after you did. Of course, who'd want to tell anyone that they cannot believe. Scripture directs us to believe so how can we say to anyone, "This might not be for you."?
 
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Considering the reality of God telling us, "Jacob I have love and Esau I hated..." and people will tell you something along the explanation, "God loves whoever he wants to and hates whoever he wants to." But when I back at this in light of the NT scripture, "if anyone hates his brother, then the love of God is not in him..." then I realize that Esau hated Jacob (this caused Jacob to run away) but I don't think anyone can argue convincingly that Jacob ever hated Esau.
 
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Mem said:
Considering the reality of God telling us, "Jacob I have love and Esau I hated..." and people will tell you something along the explanation, "God loves whoever he wants to and hates whoever he wants to." But when I back at this in light of the NT scripture, "if anyone hates his brother, then the love of God is not in him..." then I realize that Esau hated Jacob (this caused Jacob to run away) but I don't think anyone can argue convincingly that Jacob ever hated Esau.
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Jacob and Esau were (representative of) two different nations, also, Jacob of course as we know
becoming Israel, and Esau, the enemies thereof, and God's enemy, too, as the Edomites.

 
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