The Error of KJV-Onlyism

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On another occasion when Jesus said that all must eat His flesh and drink His blood, the multitude took it literally and misunderstood

Him so badly that most of them never followed Christ after that! John records:

The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying,

How can this man give us his flesh to eat?... Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?... From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. (John 6:52, John 6:60, John 6:66)

Coming to the swords: Was Jesus talking about the literal swords to be taken? If He meant the literal swords why did He rebuke Peter for using the sword against His enemy, and why did Jesus heal the injured man? Behold the scene.

Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. (John 18:10)

Look at the compassion of Christ even for His enemies who came to kill Him!

And he touched his ear, and healed him. (Luke 22:51)

Notice how Jesus reacted to Peter's method of protecting his Master:

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? (Matthew 26:52-53)

A legion in the Roman army division was around 6,000 soldiers. "Twelve legions of angels": that is, one legion for each of them-Christ and the eleven apostles. (Judas had already joined the enemies of Christ, and was leading the other band!)

Christ did not need any earthly defense; the mighty heavenly air force was at His disposal if He wanted to. In fact we see the enemies of Jesus falling down, powerless, just before they arrested Him.

Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And

Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. (John 18:3-6)

The power of the divine Christ most likely flashed forth through His human flesh, as it happened also on the Mount of Transfiguration where the three apostles of Jesus fell down on their faces seeing His glory (See Matthew 17:1-7).

God was giving His murderers another chance to let them know whom they were about the handle and crucify!

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Before telling His disciples about the fierce battle ahead in Gethsemane and Calvary, Jesus cautioned Peter about the attack of the devil on him. And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. (Luke 22:31-34)

Peter and the rest had no idea as to what exactly Christ spoke.

They had so many preconceived opinions about the future.

Peter truly loved the Lord. We can see it when he took the sword to defend his Master! But he trusted his own strength and wisdom. Therefore he finally denied his dearly beloved Lord. When he realized what he had done he wept bitterly!

And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

And Peter went out, and wept bitterly. (Luke 22:61-62)

Peter and the rest failed during the crucial hour of test and temptation because they did not understand the Word of God! They did not put on the whole armor of God, but rather had the physical armor!

Which sword did Christ mean? Obviously He did not mean the literal sword as he rebuked Peter for using it. The Scripture reveals the true sword.

The sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. (Ephesians 6:17)

Revelation talks about the sword that Christ will use, as His weapon, to defeat His enemies finally:

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations. (Revelation 19:15)

The sword that comes from His mouth is His Word!

Even in the wilderness when He was battling it out with the devil Christ used the "sword"-the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. For all the three fierce temptations that Satan assailed Him with, the weapon of Jesus was the Word of God-"It is written"! (See Matthew 4:1-11)

Christ was asking them to get ready for the fiercest battle that was just ahead of them. He was asking them to get equipped.

After telling the disciples to get prepared for the battle, Christ showed them as to what He meant, by taking them to the Garden of Gethsemane, for a powerful season of prayer, and the battle with the forces of darkness.

Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. (Matthew 26:36-38)

Instead of watching and praying, the disciples were overtaken with sleep. Jesus battles it alone! And He comes to check how the disciples are fairing in their battle, and, lo, they are already knocked out!

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. (Matthew 26:40-41)

Peter had a sword, but the wrong sword! What he was told to have was the spiritual sword to fight the battle in the Garden of great temptation. They were to "watch and pray" to escape temptation.

But they slept, and therefore Peter fell into temptation, and to the enemies' trap. And to make up for the spiritual sword, he wielded his literal sword!

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ONE MIGHT SAY: Jesus said that the two swords which they had were "enough". Therefore it is obvious that He was referring to the literal swords!

And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. (Luke 22:38)

Please note, Jesus did not say "the two swords were enough", but said, "It is enough". If Jesus meant about the literal swords, how could two swords be enough for twelve people if they were going to war? And if Jesus meant just two swords were enough then He would be contradicting His own words earlier, where He told all of them should have a sword each! He said earlier:

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (Luke 22:36)

Therefore, "It is enough", means, to wind up this conversation, as it was also time up to go and start praying! And the next thing they did was to march to the site of spiritual warfare.

And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. (Luke 22:38-39)

Also Christ wanted to end that conversation, as they were not in a position to understand what He was saying. Jesus told them earlier:

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth. (John 16:12-13)

They were not to have the two swords, but the two-edged sword!

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword. (Hebrews 4:12).

This is the powerful weapon that Jesus wields against His enemies.

These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges. (Revelation 2:12)

ONE MIGHT AGAIN SAY: If Christ meant the spiritual sword why did He say to "buy" a sword? He said:

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (Luke 22:36)

Well, this method of speaking spiritual things in a literal way was not new. Jesus used the illustration of selling something to buy another thing even in His parables.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Matthew 13:44).

To get something spiritual we have to "sell" or give up the things that are an obstacle to its possession. It is only when we give up our selfish ambitions and motives we will be able the "buy" or receive the heavenly gift. Though spiritual things are free we are to "buy" it, as the Gospel prophet, Isaiah, too, penned down the invitation of God regarding "buying" things for free!

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. (Isaiah 55:1)

Jesus told Peter just before the temptation in the Garden to strength his brethren later when he got converted. And when the apostle got converted he admonished God's people to give much attention to the sword, which he lacked-the Word of God. He wrote:

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts. (2 Peter 1:19).

Are we carrying the sword everyday? We need to! But not the literal sword that Peter once carried, but:

The sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. (Ephesians 6:17)

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12).


Article Source:
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Imagine if the Rapture happened today and you were left behind. You hear on YouTube or some other media platform how others have disappeared and you will instantly recognize the things you did wrong in your life when you look at God’s Word and what you could have done differently. I believe many will be left behind and there can be many reasons for that. Not living holy and justifying sin will be a popular one. Changing God’s Word or supporting those who do will be another. Loving the things of this world will be another. Being unloving towards others, being cold and bitter in your heart, and hoping your enemies perish. Remember, Jesus corrected the disciples when they asked if fire could be brought down to destroy the Samaritans.

"And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." (Luke 9:52-56).

The thing is that the part of this passage that expresses the truth on how came not to destroy men's lives but to save them is removed in Modern Bibles or cast into doubt with footnotes.

John the Baptist said, "Do violence to no man" (Luke 3:14).

The words of this truth is also removed in Modern Bibles.
So the violent are not going to make it unless they repent of their violence.

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11:12).

For if I give my body to burned and I have not love (charity) it profits me nothing.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Imagine if the Rapture happened today and you were left behind.

You should stay on topic -- the Bible version issue.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

There is no evidence of that in Scripture.

If someone comes in your office cracking a whip demanding everyone get out, you wouldn't think they might actually hit you with it?

Reality called and wants you to get back in touch!

So argument is one from silence.

Someone cracking a whip, violently turning over tables, demanding everyone get out is very good reason to believe someone had to be "persuaded" to take the situation seriously.

Unless one believes Jesus is a effeminate girly man or something. Get real dude!

Was Jesus telling them to buy a sword for offence, self-defense, or was He meaning something else? He said earlier:

You cannot explain away the FACT that Jesus told them to buy a deadly weapon. Speculate as you may.

There's only one use for a deadly weapon and that is to inflict damage upon the human body.

Personally I do not believe the Lord condones offensive attacks on people as that would be assault, but we have record of the Lord approving of and ordering defensive fighting to protect His people as we see in the OT. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever ya know. The Lord Himself has killed many in defense of His people.

Hanukkah is the Jewish festival commemorating the recovery of Jerusalem and subsequent rededication of the Second Temple at the beginning of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire in the 2nd century.

It was characteristic of Jesus to celebrate the customs of his own Jewish religion so he was at the festival that celebrated the Maccabean revolt and even if one claims He did not celebrate they cannot explain why He did not express that this celebration was somehow wrong.

All things considered, self defense is not a sin so Jesus telling them to buy a deadly weapon would have been used for self defense and something used only as a last resort.

 

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You should stay on topic -- the Bible version issue.

Actually, if you were to read the third paragraph on down, you will see that I mention how Modern Bibles remove important key words or teachings that are in the KJV.

 

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If someone comes in your office cracking a whip demanding everyone get out, you wouldn't think they might actually hit you with it?

Reality called and wants you to get back in touch!

Someone cracking a whip, violently turning over tables, demanding everyone get out is very good reason to believe someone had to be "persuaded" to take the situation seriously. Unless one believes Jesus is a effeminate girly man or something. Get real dude!

Here we go again. You are fighting with me over something again I never stated. I never stated that Jesus did not use a whip and turn over tables. You are again disagreeing with something imaginary that I never stated.

You cannot explain away the FACT that Jesus told them to buy a deadly weapon. Speculate as you may.

So either you did not read the rest of the story in the Bible or you are simply ignoring what it says. Were the two swords used as an offensive attack that the Lord Jesus approved of? Or did Jesus rebuke Peter for taking up his sword and undo the damage that Peter did to Malchus’ ear?

but we have record of the Lord approving of and ordering defensive fighting to protect His people as we see in the OT. Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever ya know. The Lord Himself has killed many in defense of His people.

And here we go again. You might as well be arguing against the imaginary idea that I believe cyborgs and ninjas fought each other in the Bible. Nowhere did I state to you that God did not kill many in defense of God’s people. God even had the Israelites wipe out children. The global flood wiped everyone out. Jesus will return in violence and destroy those nations that come up against Him.

All things considered, self defense is not a sin so Jesus telling them to buy a deadly weapon would have been used for self defense and something used only as a last resort.

Things are not always what we think they are. Our thoughts are not Gods thoughts. The KJV vs Modern Bibles issue is one that many are unable to see properly. I believe this is the case because they like a little bit of wiggle room in being their own authority on some level. Many today do not like to give up their self and or their ways entirely. Has this discussion on the KJB vs Modern Bibles helped you to learn anything new?

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Here we go again. You are fighting with me over something again I never stated. I never stated that Jesus did not use a whip and turn over tables. You are again disagreeing with something imaginary that I never stated.

You are confused and imagining things.

So either you did not read the rest of the story in the Bible or you are simply ignoring what it says. Were the two swords used as an offensive attack that the Lord Jesus approved of? Or did Jesus rebuke Peter for taking up his sword and undo the damage that Peter did to Malchus’ ear?

Try as you may, you cannot explain away the fact that Jesus did tell them to obtain a deadly weapon.

Going off on rabbit trails is a common tactic people use to ignore the truth.

And here we go again. You might as well be arguing against the imaginary idea that I believe cyborgs and ninjas fought each other in the Bible. Nowhere did I state to you that God did not kill many in defense of God’s people. God even had the Israelites wipe out children. The global flood wiped everyone out. Jesus will return in violence and destroy those nations that come up against Him.

Well you should pay closer attention then.

Things are not always what we think they are. Our thoughts are not Gods thoughts. The KJV vs Modern Bibles issue is one that many are unable to see properly. I believe this is the case because they like a little bit of wiggle room in being their own authority on some level. Many today do not like to give up their self and or their ways entirely. Has this discussion on the KJB vs Modern Bibles helped you to learn anything new?

That has nothing to do with the price of tea in china and you know it!

 

[Dino246]

Actually, if you were to read the third paragraph on down, you will see that I mention how Modern Bibles remove important key words or teachings that are in the KJV.

"Modern Bibles" don't remove anything.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

Uh huh, they've been known the change definitions and thus change what God says. We all know satan likes to question and oppose God's Word.

Others can do what they want, but I have no use for modern stuff, not in this age of deception Jesus told us we'd be living in in the end times.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Actually, if you were to read the third paragraph on down, you will see that I mention how Modern Bibles remove important key words or teachings that are in the KJV.

Personally I think this thread has run its course. No minds will be changed.

 

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"Modern Bibles" don't remove anything.

Sure they do. There are two major Bible streams. One stream is the Vaticanus, Sinaiticus (NT Greek), and the Ben Asher Text (Hebrew). This is where the Modern Bible Movement comes from. This line was corrupted.

The other stream is from the original pure line which is the Textus Receptus (NT Greek), and the Ben Chayyim Text (Hebrew). This is where the KJV comes from).

 

[Dino246]

Sure they do.

Bibles don't "do" anything at all. God does things. People do things. Even plants do things, but inanimate objects do not do things.

 

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Bibles don't "do" anything at all. God does things. People do things. Even plants do things, but inanimate objects do not do things.

Look. I’ve already explained this to you before. It’s not a conflict in English to say this.

 

[Dino246]

Look. I’ve already explained this to you before. It’s not a conflict in English to say this.

It's not a conflict; it's just wrong.

 

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You are confused and imagining things.

Try as you may, you cannot explain away the fact that Jesus did tell them to obtain a deadly weapon.

Going off on rabbit trails is a common tactic people use to ignore the truth.

Well you should pay closer attention then.

That has nothing to do with the price of tea in china and you know it!

I cannot be the first person in life to tell you that you have a major problem in properly reading everything in what people say. I say this not to wound you but I am simply speaking the truth to you in love. So seeing this a problem, I am moving on from having any direct discussion with you.

Tchau, tchau.

May…

 

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It's not a conflict; it's just wrong.

Please provide sources.

 

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It's not a conflict; it's just wrong.

FYI, this is an example of anthropomorphism, where human qualities or actions are attributed to non-human entities or abstract concepts. In this case, it's attributing the action of making changes to the Bible itself, when in reality, it was a human who made the changes.

 

[Dino246]

FYI, this is an example of anthropomorphism, where human qualities or actions are attributed to non-human entities or abstract concepts. In this case, it's attributing the action of making changes to the Bible itself, when in reality, it was a human who made the changes.

I'm well aware of the figure of speech. It's just the application of it that is incorrect.