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Well Im not pointing fingers at anyone, cause I aint walked a mile in their moccasins, the only thing I do see, are two people who strongly hold to their views and thats fine, if they feel called to defend things, thats fine, but in no way has zone ever been anything but honest and kind hearted to me, thus far 4runner has only been fair and honest to me when I have spoken to him. Im sorry if anyones had different experiences.