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Ephesians 4
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
 
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Do you not think it would please God to keep me from sinning?

Jude:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Ive never disagreed with that. In fact i havnt fought you really at all on this, surely u know i will defend others
but the point of teaching we will someday be perfect before we are glorified i do not agree with. I was actually
this morning going to get verses for this and couldnt because the whole new testament teaches a process
of progressive sanctification.
 
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Ive never disagreed with that. In fact i havnt fought you really at all on this, surely u know i will defend others
but the point of teaching we will someday be perfect before we are glorified i do not agree with. I was actually
this morning going to get verses for this and couldnt because the whole new testament teaches a process
of progressive sanctification.
So you believe God CAN save us from our sin, you just think HE WONT save us from our sin?

If i am misunderstanding you, then maybe you can explain why you think God can keep us from sin, but we wont be ''perfect''?

I know that sanctification is a process, and I guess ''perfect'' is a bad word, what I mean is living without sinning. Tobby explained it well on another thread I am going to post it here.
I want to live a perfect and sinless life .. And by God's grace i will. But you know what?. No matter how Sinless i think i am or how far i think i've gone with achieving this, I will never open my mouth to say i'm PERFECT neither will i ever think that I've gotten there or achieved it, because that is Pride...

So you get the point now Zone?, I can't ever be Perfect to myself... There is still always a place for higher ground..
 

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Worse of all she denied the deity of Christ.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God

No true believer denied the deity of Christ
let's see it.
get your evidence.
 

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do you believe this is God's Law?
what is transgression of The Law?


EXODUS 20
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

The rest are those that cannot discern who she is, and the indoctrination is that God doesnt speak anymore, there are no Apostles or prophets, no righteousness even those in Christ, no holiness, no salvation from sin, she is almillennialist.
^^ trivial....peanuts...you're just a sorry case ^^^

however:

Worse of all she denied the deity of Christ. ....but no one that denies the deity of Christ is saved. Jesus Himself said this in John 8

John 8:24 said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

When The hrarisees asked Him who He was He said the same as I told you from the Beginning

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God

No true believer denied the deity of Christ
EXODUS 20
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Exodus 23:1
“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Deuteronomy 5:20
“‘And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 19:18
Jesus replied, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

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get your evidence.
 
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do you believe this is God's Law?
what is transgression of The Law?


EXODUS 20
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.



^^ trivial....peanuts...you're just a sorry case ^^^

however:



EXODUS 20
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Exodus 23:1
“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Deuteronomy 5:20
“‘And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 19:18
Jesus replied, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony,

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

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get your evidence.
When you judge other you condemn yourself.... you told shroom, that you agree with him that Jesus was not God. And i will find the post. so just making sure. you DO deny making this statement???

Because when I post it all will know who you are.
 

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When you judge other you condemn yourself.... you told shroom, that you agree with him that Jesus was not God. And i will find the post. so just making sure. you DO deny making this statement???

Because when I post it all will know who you are.
please by all means bring it forward.
i'll wait here.
 

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what's taking so long?
 
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That post looked pretty straight forward to me.
 
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Why is everyone Tim Russerting Zone?:p lol...

 
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Cause shes easy prey stilly........NOT!
 
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Why is everyone Tim Russerting Zone?:p lol...



some people resort to gathering people who might be offended by Zone and her manner instead of addressing the issues...

here is another tactic i've seen used....



 
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gulp.
what's gonna happen to me Still?
that doesn't sound too good ^^^^

can't i be Christiane Amanpour'ed?

I was thinking more like...

 
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Ha! I was thinkin more mabeline...maybe some nancy grace.
 

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I would like to post this link that was posted by Zone April 14, 2011... post #259 @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/22246-jesus-christ-god-manifest-flesh-13.html
wow!
that's super-cool Redster!
umm.....thx for going through 6500 posts bud:eek:
zonus

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thanks for reminding me ABOUT JESUS!!!

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God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour.
Titus 2:10 ...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10 God my Saviour. Luke 1:47

Jesus is the only Saviour.
...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18
...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1
...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42
...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4
a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11
Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
--Acts 4:12
...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
--2 Timothy 2:10
...captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings.
-- Heb 2:10 [Jesus]...author of eternal salvation...
-- Heb 5:9

God created the universe and earth by Himself.
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1

Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
unto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10
By him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3

God is the Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1

Jesus is the Word.
...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14

God is the first and the last.
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus is the first and the last.
Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

God forgives sins.
[T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities... Psalm 103:2-3 "[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7

Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus...said..."Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:5

God is our redeemer.
[T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16

Jesus redeemed us.
[T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14

God is one.
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

Jesus and God are one.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14
Jesus saith...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

God has a Son.
[T]he LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7

Jesus is God's Son.
... [Jesus] said also that God was his Father... John 5:18

God is the Holy One
Psalms 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm)

Jesus is the Holy One.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 13:34-35 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption

Only God is worshipped.
... Then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10

Jesus is worshipped.
While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him... Matthew 9:18
And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6 And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28

God is Messiah.
...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father... Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is Messiah.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26

Only God is glorified.
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isaiah 42:8

God glorified Jesus.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
[A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

God is 'I am'.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14

Jesus is 'I am'.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:58

God heals all diseases.
Bless the LORD...who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2

Jesus heals all diseases.
[Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16

God is the Judge of the whole earth.
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2 [Abraham to God]...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25

Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth.
[T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

God has life in Himself.
[T]he Father hath life in himself; John 5:26

Jesus has life in Himself.
so hath [God] given to the Son to have life in himself; In [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

God raises the dead.
[T]he Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; John 5:21

Jesus raises the dead.
[T]he Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21

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Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone



Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration

 

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Ha! I was thinkin more mabeline...maybe some nancy grace.
ROTFLMHO!!!!!
judge judy makes a lotta money though.
plus she gets to go on Larry King...but now they have that new guy.

plus nancy has twins...i'm just pushing the last one out of the nest!
love ya