Predestination is misunderstood...
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your view that man is responsible for his own salvation and can therefore boast in his choice contrary to the Scripture below, robs God of the glory of His salvation which belongs to Hi alone and not the choice of me and you do realise that God is a jealous God don't you?
Co 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
Co 1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
1Co 1:29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
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Luk 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE HAS ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; HE HAS SENT ME TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET AT LIBERTY THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED;
Joh_8:34 Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Joh_8:34 Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Scripture also confirms that when God speaks there are those who hear and listen and even though they are not in a position to do anything about their bondage to sin, it does not mean they are not willing to live for God. Romans 7 makes it very clear that Paul understood the position of man was torn in two when awakened to God (the Romans 1 type who did not reject God's existence and continued to learn from the Father as per John 6:45) and eventually recognises he must cry out to God for salvation if he is to know peace.
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My view is that God is responsible for our salvation.
Your inability to comprehend that man can use his will freely once God has supplied the grace needed for that to happen and enables him to see the truth and uses His power to ensure the sin nature does not control his thinking while the truth is presented to him, is why you think I have it wrong.
Why can man choose God freely if he is given the needed grace? Because that is what he was designed for so there is no more boasting in that choice any more than there is in a bird's ability to fly. God gave us brains to think with, ears to hear with and volition to make choices between good and evil. He expects us to use them which is why he tells us to do the believing.
Your inability to comprehend that man can use his will freely once God has supplied the grace needed for that to happen and enables him to see the truth and uses His power to ensure the sin nature does not control his thinking while the truth is presented to him, is why you think I have it wrong.
Why can man choose God freely if he is given the needed grace? Because that is what he was designed for so there is no more boasting in that choice any more than there is in a bird's ability to fly. God gave us brains to think with, ears to hear with and volition to make choices between good and evil. He expects us to use them which is why he tells us to do the believing.
He chose them to believe? Then, could he do that with anyone?
"This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to
be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4
What happened? Where did your God's sovereignty concept go to with that passage?
Actually, he chose us to be the Bride of Christ. Moses was not chosen before the foundations
of the earth to be a part of the Church.
Her chose us and predestined us as to when we should be alive on earth when we believed.
He sovereignly chose us out from all those whom He always knew would believe.
Only those chosen in Christ God predetermined would be in the body of Christ.
Ephesians 1:3-4
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly
realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of
the world to be holy and blameless in his sight.
He chose is "in Him" to be like Eve's body was "in Adam." We are the Bride of Christ!
grace and peace .............
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