Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Possibly God hates one and loves the other? nuh uh
Actually, we have a will and can choose. Let's be reasonable and admit that scripture does in fact state that hearing is the gospel presented and receiving is an act of the will.
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10
and yes I know what the rest of the chapter states and what comes before as well.
Note that Paul states that not all have obeyed the gospel. He does not state that only the elect hear.
Actually, we have a will and can choose. Let's be reasonable and admit that scripture does in fact state that hearing is the gospel presented and receiving is an act of the will.
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10
and yes I know what the rest of the chapter states and what comes before as well.
Note that Paul states that not all have obeyed the gospel. He does not state that only the elect hear.
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The word of God is sharper than any 2 edged sword
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
Sounds right
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
Sounds right
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Right. Are you not aware that even believers can and sometimes do struggle with sin? Are you perfected? Why doesn't God hit you with perfection and the ability to never sin again? We still have a sin nature and it is our spirits that are united with God.
I will tell you why. We can choose. We are not robots or without a will.
I think you are forgetting the power of the word. It is God's word and by His Spirit has the effect He intends
I will tell you why. We can choose. We are not robots or without a will.
I think you are forgetting the power of the word. It is God's word and by His Spirit has the effect He intends
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Seems God did exactly that. AND hardened their hearts too.
7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect* obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
9 And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
Gentiles Grafted In
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass usalvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion2 mean!
* The elect meaning those who have come to faith in Christ. Paul refers to both Jews and Gentiles...ALL who accept Christ as all are free to come to Christ and believe
7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect* obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
9 And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
Gentiles Grafted In
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass usalvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion2 mean!
* The elect meaning those who have come to faith in Christ. Paul refers to both Jews and Gentiles...ALL who accept Christ as all are free to come to Christ and believe
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