The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[7thMoon]

Didn't you say the Book of Ether was not of God?

It isn't. In Esther, God doesn't say one thing, do one miracle; and not one thing happened because of a supernatural event. Other OT books at least, are written having these things distorted or not. The NT the same thing with less variants.

There is at least of semblance of inspiration with errant or not. Esther is about the Jews killing others for no specified crimes. At least the Canaanites knew that they stole land.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Esther is about the Jews killing others for no specified crimes.

Actually the plot to totally exterminate the Jews is what this book is all about. Because Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of all the Jews, had devised against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast Pur, that is, the lot, to consume them, and to destroy them; (Esther 9:24)

But it was king Ahasuerus who gave the order to have the enemies of the Jews destroyed: Wherein the king granted the Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey, (Esther 8:11)

 

[7thMoon]

Actually the plot to totally exterminate the Jews is what this book is all about. Because Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of all the Jews, had devised against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast Pur, that is, the lot, to consume them, and to destroy them; (Esther 9:24)

And it is conveniently among the Dead Sea Scrolls. But where is the term Israel?

But it was king Ahasuerus who gave the order to have the enemies of the Jews destroyed: Wherein the king granted the Jews which were in every city to gather themselves together, and to stand for their life, to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish, all the power of the people and province that would assault them, both little ones and women, and to take the spoil of them for a prey, (Esther 8:11)

Not destroyed, rather he issued a decree saying the Jews could defend themselves. Pathetic.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

And it is conveniently among the Dead Sea Scrolls. But where is the term Israel?
Not destroyed, rather he issued a decree saying the Jews could defend themselves. Pathetic.

No, what is pathetic is not believing the Bible. The Holy Bible never existed without the Book of Esther. Martin Luther, you, and maybe a few other doubters may deny its inclusion in Scripture; But you are not thinking logically. I mean stop and think how dumb your position is. How do people know about Jesus today? But some manuscripts in a cave? No. It's by a book that exists today known as the Bible and Esther is in it. Good luck trying to cut it out of God's Word. If you don't believe it, then you are going to have to answer to the Lord Jesus Christ someday for your lack of faith. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). The Bible warns against not receiving God's words. Clearly, everyone on planet Earth knows the Bible is God's word. But go ahead and cut out the pieces you don't like. Many Modern scholars do that today. If you don't care about your soul, you are free to join those who treat the Bible like a piece of meat at a butcher shop. I personally would not want to put my soul at risk by doing that.

 

[7thMoon]

No, what is pathetic is not believing the Bible. The Bible never existed without this book. Martin Luther, you, and maybe a few other doubters may deny its inclusion in Scripture. But you are not thinking logically. I mean stop and think how dumb your position is. How do people know about Jesus today? But some manuscripts in a cave? No. It's by a book that exists today known as the Bible and Esther is in it. Good luck trying to cut it out of God's Word. If you don't believe it, then you are going to have to answer to the Lord Jesus Christ someday for your lack of faith. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). The Bible warns against not receiving God's words. Clearly, everyone on planet Earth knows the Bible is God's word. But go ahead and cut out the pieces you don't like. Many Modern scholars do that today. If you don't care about your soul, if you don't care to treat the Bible like a piece of meat at a butcher shop. I personally would not want to put my soul at risk.

I believe Esther may be true story. But waiting Esther and Mordecai to learn that you can defend yourself is just bad advice.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I believe Esther may be true story. But waiting Esther and Mordecai to learn that you can defend yourself is just bad advice.

It’s not maybe a true story. It is true story!!!! Why? Because it is in the Bible, and the Bible has more pieces of evidence backing it up as being true than any other book on the face of the planet.

See my blogger article here on evidence for the Bible.

http://lovebranch.blogspot.com/2017/02/evidences-for-word-of-god.html

The Bible also records the imperfect actions of men sometimes. We also were not there and while we may think a decision may be better, things happen for a reason or plan that God knows. In short, you should stop questioning God's Word and being a critic of the text (like Textual Critics do), and you should let the text correct you. Be a bible believer and not a Bible corrector. Believe the Bible as if it were the very words of God because it is. This should have been evident to you after you first got saved. Only the enemy desires to get you to question and doubt God's words. That was what the serpent did with Eve.

 

[7thMoon]

It's a true story because it is in the Bible, and the Bible has more pieces of evidence backing it up as being true than any other book on the face of the planet.

See my blogger article here on evidence for the Bible.

http://lovebranch.blogspot.com/2017/02/evidences-for-word-of-god.html

The Bible also records the imperfect actions of men sometimes. We also were not there and while we may think a decision may be better, things happen for a reason or plan that God knows. In short, you should stop questioning God's Word and being a critic of the text (like Textual Critics do), and you should let the text correct you. Be a bible believer and not a Bible corrector. Believe the Bible as if it were the very words of God because it is. This should have been evident to you after you first got saved. Only the enemy desires to get you to question and doubt God's words. That was what the serpent did with Eve.

But waiting Esther and Mordecai to learn that you can defend yourself would be just bad advice.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

But waiting Esther and Mordecai to learn that you can defend yourself would be just bad advice.

Was it? They won, right?

I get that the Bible can be challenging to believe sometimes. I had a hard time accepting that God commanded children to be wiped out by the Israelites. I knew the Bible was all true, and so I prayed, and asked God to give me an answer. He did, and it put my soul at rest on the matter completely.

A boy's father said to Jesus, "Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." (Mark 9:24).
This is how you should be.
Pray and ask the Lord for the answer and He will help you to see with spiritual eyes.
Sometimes the answer may come right away, and sometimes it may take years.
But wait upon the LORD and you will be happy.
I can give you an answer, but it will not be like the one God can give you.
Just believe and trust His Word even when it may not make sense to you.
In time, God will reveal the truth to you so that it will make sense.

 

[7thMoon]

Was it? They won, right?

I think they should have just defended themselves without the hassle. Esther and Mordecai look like the last to learn what to do.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I think they should have just defended themselves without the hassle. Esther and Mordecai look like the last to learn what to do.

Stop trying to criticize the story, and just believe it.
Realize people in life are not perfect.
If the story is God’s Holy words, and it is, then it is a true story, and there are lessons to be learned.
Attacking the Bible instead of believing it is no good way to approach the Bible.

 

[7thMoon]

Stop trying to criticize the story, and just believe it.
Realize people in life are not perfect.

I will not believe something so uninspired.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I think they should have just defended themselves without the hassle. Esther and Mordecai look like the last to learn what to do.

If you read the words as if it were a dead book, then you will see nothing in the story that God desires you to see.
But if you approach all of the Bible as if the words were from God Himself, then you will not be on a rampage to tear down His words.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I will not believe something so uninspired.

You're off your rocker. Show me a Bible that has existed throughout history that did not have Esther in it. God is not going to mislead people to have some false story in His Holy Word. That's just dumb. You're not thinking logically here. How do you know of Jesus? By the Bible, right? How many Bibles in history do not have Esther in them? This should end the argument, but you appear to have a hate-on for this portion of God’s Word. Again, you can risk your own soul by rejecting parts of the Bible if you like. That is too big of a gamble for me - IMHO.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Ironically, another poster here has a hate-on for verses that talk about New Testament Non-Violence. Then there are others who do not accept the doctrines of purity and preservation in the Bible. It all comes down to whether or not we accept all of God’s Word in what it says or not. So this thread is interesting.

Anyway, may the Lord’s love shine upon you all (regardless).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

@7thMoon

Is it common for you to have moments in God’s Word where God reveals something powerful and amazing to you in His Word and verses just come flying at you out of nowhere? You get so excited that you just start praising the LORD, and or thanking Him? Have you ever been in awe of God’s Word and its power? That you just smile and say, “God that is you talking to me again with your Word.” If this is not common for you, then you need to believe ALL of the Bible. You may even need to re-dedicate your life back to Christ. I had to at one point in my life. But don’t question God’s book. Just believe what it says no matter what even if it does not make sense to you. You can ask God to help you to understand it in HIS timing.

 

[Stan_the_Man]

It isn't.

I will not believe something so uninspired.

OK, so believing this would be the belief that Jesus is not capable of controlling what goes in to His canon.

And if one thinks one book is false they have no basis for believing any of the rest of them are true either.

So, one believing all this garbage should throw their bible in the trash and just be an atheist.

The devil has deceived them in to thinking God's Word is not accurate.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The same can be said of the Modern Bibles because they teach false doctrines.
Oh, and yes, there are Christians who have abandoned the faith when they learned of Textual Criticism (Which gets them to doubt God’s Word). Before the Modern Bible Movement seized America in the 1960s, the KJV was simply regarded as THE Bible for English-speaking people.

Side Note:

Now, if a person criticizes another for rejecting the book of Esther and yet thinks the Bible is in error because the word Easter in Acts 12:4 is a mistranslation is simply being hypocritical.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

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In defense of the King James Bible, there is a very exciting video debate on 1 John 5:7 (if you’re interested in checking it out).

It goes live at 8:00pm Eastern / 7:00pm Central tomorrow (Saturday the 20th).

https://www.youtube.com/live/iUy9Rn1RHak?si=cF1I13xtzx8TeihG

I hope you or others here will be able to check it out. If you anyone here at ChristianChat sees it, please comment here on the forums.

May the Lord Jesus bless you all.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Before the Modern Bible Movement seized America in the 1960s, the KJV was simply regarded as THE Bible for English-speaking people.

Correct. Higher Criticism (basically an attack on the Bible by unbelieving scholars, who were primarily German) set the stage for Lower or Textual Criticism. Higher Criticism led to the adoption of Liberal Theology by the mainline denominations, which were then open to modern bible versions. But evangelical and fundamentalist churches were influenced by people like Billy Graham (and other influential names) to abandon the KJB and adopt the modern versions.

Very few pastors even took the time to carefully investigate this issue, so now the majority of these churches are using modern Bible versions. They have discarded the KJB as well as hymn books (which had some very solid biblical hymns), and gone after "contemporary" Christian music, "worship teams", loud music with bands, and various other fads to try and make churches "seeker friendly". They do not really want to follow the New Testament pattern for church meetings. At the same time the Gospel has been watered down, and Bible doctrines are not being taught from the Bible. Study guides have taken over.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Correct. Higher Criticism (basically an attack on the Bible by unbelieving scholars, who were primarily German) set the stage for Lower or Textual Criticism. Higher Criticism led to the adoption of Liberal Theology by the mainline denominations, which were then open to modern bible versions. But evangelical and fundamentalist churches were influenced by people like Billy Graham (and other influential names) to abandon the KJB and adopt the modern versions.

Yeah, it's a shame what has happened. All the more we should be shining the light of the truth all the brighter, my friend.

Very few pastors even took the time to carefully investigate this issue, so now the majority of these churches are using modern Bible versions. They have discarded the KJB as well as hymn books (which had some very solid biblical hymns), and gone after "contemporary" Christian music, "worship teams", loud music with bands, and various other fads to try and make churches "seeker friendly". They do not really want to follow the New Testament pattern for church meetings. At the same time the Gospel has been watered down, and Bible doctrines are not being taught from the Bible. Study guides have taken over.

Yeah, I thought it was odd when I recently saw a Christian speak on YouTube about how they were trying to read all the study notes on the ESV as if that is how they study. It was such an odd thing to witness. Many times, I think all we can do is just pray in situations like these. God can reach them if they are open to seeking the truth.

But yes, I agree. Things are not good in these last days. Many have abandoned the Word of God that was accepted at one point in time.

God bless you, Nehemiah6.