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anybody who listens to 4runner deserves what they get.
The truth straight from the word of God, Rather then mental gymnastics to try and explain why a false doctrine is scripture. I agree anyone with the sense to listen does deserve to hear the truth. ;)
 
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Satire Examples

Satire examples are found in many works of literature. Satire is used to show foolishness or vice in humans, organizations, or even governments, by using sarcasm, ridicule, or irony. Satire can be an entire work that uses satire throughout. Satire is often used to effect political or social change or to prevent it. Someone who uses satire is a satirist.

Satire covers many different methods including irony, sarcasm, burlesque, parody, exaggeration, juxtaposition, double entendres. It can be directed toward one individual, a whole country or even the world. It is sometimes serious, acting as a protest or to expose, or comical when used to poke fun at something or someone.

Satire examples from media include:

“Weekend Update” from Saturday Night Live
The Daily Show
the movie Scary Movie
the movies of Austin Powers
most political cartoons in newspapers and magazines
the songs of Weird Al Yankovic
Satire examples can also be found in the following examples of irony, parody, and sarcasm.

 
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You cannot admit you made a mistake.

You're a small man, with empty words.
A mistake i made no mistake she said she agreed with you that Jesus was not god.
Originally Posted by zone

what for? i believe what you believe: jesus isnt god....so now we have some common ground.
 
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A mistake i made no mistake she said she agreed with you that Jesus was not god.
and SHROOM who SHE was talking to understood the word SATIRE and the fact she has been debating that issue with him long before you showed up in forum, because they don't agree. she was in a weird mood that day but she did post the word Satire on post she did not really mean from her heart..

why are you letting pride over come you? why don't you just admit you were mistaken and apologize?

she has posted what she believes yet you will not listen...
 
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A mistake i made no mistake she said she agreed with you that Jesus was not god.
zone said:
what for? i believe what you believe: jesus isnt god....so now we have some common ground.
In the strictest sense, yes, she did. But you, me, and everyone else here, and I do mean everyone, knew she was being sarcastic. You HAVE to cling to your claim she was being serious to maintain your manhood.

It isn't working.

4runner, are you aware the bible says "there is no God"? It really says that. That must be true. Right?
 
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wow!
that's super-cool Redster!
umm.....thx for going through 6500 posts bud:eek:
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thanks for reminding me ABOUT JESUS!!!

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God never changes.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jesus never changes.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
To the only wise God our Saviour... Jude 1:12

God our Saviour.
Titus 2:10 ...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10 God my Saviour. Luke 1:47

Jesus is the only Saviour.
...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18
...God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1
...the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42
...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4
a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11
Neither is there salvation in any other (than Jesus): for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
--Acts 4:12
...salvation... is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
--2 Timothy 2:10
...captain of their salvation [Jesus] perfect through sufferings.
-- Heb 2:10 [Jesus]...author of eternal salvation...
-- Heb 5:9

God created the universe and earth by Himself.
I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1

Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
unto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands. Hebrews 1:10
By him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3

God is the Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1

Jesus is the Word.
...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14

God is the first and the last.
I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4

Jesus is the first and the last.
Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17

God forgives sins.
[T]he Lord..forgiveth all thine iniquities... Psalm 103:2-3 "[W]ho can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7

Jesus forgives sins.
Jesus...said..."Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:5

God is our redeemer.
[T]hou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer.. Isaiah 63:16

Jesus redeemed us.
[T]the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity.. Titus 2:13-14

God is one.
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

Jesus and God are one.
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14
Jesus saith...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

God has a Son.
[T]he LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7

Jesus is God's Son.
... [Jesus] said also that God was his Father... John 5:18

God is the Holy One
Psalms 71:22 I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth,O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
Psalms 89:18 For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
Isaiah 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Messianic Psalm)

Jesus is the Holy One.
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
3:13-14 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 13:34-35 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption

Only God is worshipped.
... Then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Matthew 4:10

Jesus is worshipped.
While [Jesus] spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him... Matthew 9:18
And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:6 And Thomas answered and said unto [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28

God is Messiah.
...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father... Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is Messiah.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26

Only God is glorified.
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another... Isaiah 42:8

God glorified Jesus.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
[A]ll men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8

God is 'I am'.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14

Jesus is 'I am'.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
John 8:58

God heals all diseases.
Bless the LORD...who healeth all thy diseases. Psalms 103:2

Jesus heals all diseases.
[Jesus] healed all that were sick. Matthew 8:16

God is the Judge of the whole earth.
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself. Lift up thyself, thou judge of the earth: render a reward to the proud. Psalms 94:1-2 [Abraham to God]...Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? Genesis 18:25

Jesus is the Judge of the whole earth.
[T]he Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: John 5:22

God has life in Himself.
[T]he Father hath life in himself; John 5:26

Jesus has life in Himself.
so hath [God] given to the Son to have life in himself; In [Jesus] was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

God raises the dead.
[T]he Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; John 5:21

Jesus raises the dead.
[T]he Son quickeneth whom he will. John 5:21

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Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone



Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration

here you go 4runner got any problems with these words?

that is a statement of her faith do you have issues with it? is it too long? you can always read it in sections, just try not to take the words out of context....
 
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In the strictest sense, yes, she did. But you, me, and everyone else here, and I do mean
Yeah I knew what she meant, she meant what she said

4runner, are you aware the bible says "there is no God"? It really says that. That must be true. Right?
A fool says in His heart......
 
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here you go 4runner got any problems with these words?

that is a statement of her faith do you have issues with it? is it too long? you can always read it in sections, just try not to take the words out of context....
To be honest i didnt read it all be yes I do have a problem with it. She claims faith alone but the only time to words faith lone is found together in scripture is to tell us that a man IS NOT justified by faith alone. Ironic huh?
 
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Yeah I knew what she meant, she meant what she said
You're unbelievable.

Any respect I had for you (and it wasn't much) is gone.

I don't know how you can live with yourself.

Sleep well.
 
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Yeah I knew what she meant, she meant what she said (in context with the word satire attached)

A fool says in His heart......
Isaiah 14
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


1 Timothy 3
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
 
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You know what is ironic is that Zone has falsely accused me at least 10 times, and when I asked her to produce evidence she would not nor would she retract her lies. Now when I truthfully expose her, the crowed goes wild ''dont say that about her'' and even when I post her own word she and the rest deny it.

Shouldnt that wake you people up???????????

Furthermore I didnt even say it on this thread, she brought it her all puffed up, with her dont falsely accuse me scriptures. She has blatantly falsely accused me of multiple things multiple time, who knows how many others she has falsely accused of who knows what. I mean how more hypocritical can one person be? Yet she can even own up to her own beliefs.


Now if anyone has a question that does not pertain to Zone or anything else outside of a rational biblical discussion ask away. But please respect the op, and do not continue this absurd back and forth about whatever has you undies in a knot.
 
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Isaiah 14
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


1 Timothy 3
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
I couldnt agree more. Zone should admit her mistake, apologize to all she has falsely accused and repent for perverting God's word.

Now can we move on, not because Oh no big bad Zone is getting the best of me, but because this is not the point of the thread.
 
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God has given His children the power and authority to bring down the strongholds of satan. The Lord has given us the wisdom to denounce mind set that exalt themselves above the knowledge of God, and tear them down. Understanding has been given us to heal the church and teach unity. We have been given the power, now let us walk in it. Satan is deathly afraid that we will one day wake up and realize who we are. Let us arise we who sleep, for the glory of God is shining upon us.
 
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Why does Christianity look like a copy of pagan religions that predated it? Especially in the attributes of Jesus.
bump out of courtesy for rtb....

you might need this rtb..

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Originally Posted by rtb

Why does Christianity look like a copy of pagan religions that predated it? Especially in the attributes of Jesus.
Could you give an example please???

It might help me answer the question.
 

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God has given His children the power and authority to bring down the strongholds of satan. The Lord has given us the wisdom to denounce mind set that exalt themselves above the knowledge of God, and tear them down. Understanding has been given us to heal the church and teach unity. We have been given the power, now let us walk in it. Satan is deathly afraid that we will one day wake up and realize who we are. Let us arise we who sleep, for the glory of God is shining upon us.
Manifest Sons of God Dominionist language.

listen up Church: you're seeing it live.

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The NAR Apostles and Manifest Sons of God Theology: Training the Army of the Lord

This article is a response to two insightful questions about my April 3 article, which described "social transformation" in the context of the apostles promoting the Seven Mountains campaign, including quotes from apostles who spoke at Harvard this past weekend. The first question concerned Apostle Bill Hamon's quote about a "mankind race" and whether this phrase has a history and can be found in other New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) literature. Yes. It is called Manifest Sons of God theology and can be traced to the Latter Rain movement. The ideology is widespread in the NAR, particularly in training for youth, and is described below. The second question was about Apostle Lance Wallnau's use of the phrase "eradicate the rats" and whether this is a metaphor for eliminating certain kinds of people. I will address the use of eliminationist rhetoric and imagery in the NAR in my next article

Bill Hamon's "Mankind Race"

The quote in question was from Bill Hamon's 2010 book Prophetic Scriptures Yet To Be Fulfilled. Hamon describes the "Final or Third Reformation of the Church" and its purpose.
"... to fulfill God's original mandate to subdue all things, to take dominion and fill the earth with a mankind race in God's own image and likeness..."
Hamon's teachings parallel that of the New Order of the Latter Rain Movement of the late 1940s and 1950s which included a doctrine called the "Manifest Sons of God." In brief, this is the belief that before Jesus can return, a generation of super-believers sometimes called a "new breed of man" or Joel's Army, must emerge. According to Hamon, this generation will be trained for their tasks by modern apostles and prophets and will "execute God's judgment on earth." .

Hamon refers to this "Army of the Lord Movement" in his writings, including Apostles, Prophets and the Coming Moves of God (1997) with a foreword by C. Peter Wagner.
"God is preparing His Church to become an invincible, unstoppable, unconquerable, overcoming Army of the Lord that subdues everything under Christ's feet. There will be a sovereign restorational move of God to activate all that is needed for His army to be and do what He had eternally purposed.
...God's great end-time army is being prepared to execute God's written Judgments with Christ's victory and divine judgment decrees that have already been established in heaven. The time is set when they will be administered and executed on earth through God's saintly army. All that is destined and needed will be activated during God's restorational Army of the Lord Movement."

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Manifest Sons of God, The Year of Jubilee and Feast of Tabernacles – The Age of Aquarius Disguised? via End Times Prophetic, Prophecy, Visions, Dreams, Revelation, Christian Blog February 19th, 2010 at 03:59

The following is an extract from Constance Cumbey’s book, A Planned Deception, which can be downloaded in its entirety for free here: http://public.me.com/cumbey. The bold emphasis used in the article is my own. Year of Jubilee? or Age of Aquarius Disguised? “Rev. Ernest Ramsey, an associate pastor at Unity’s Kansas City’s Founder’s Church, Unity on the Plaza, is an enthusiastic follower of the Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme teachings. In his Research Report #2, he tells of something he was led to by a spirit guide – what he terms “Neo-Pentecostalism.” An aberrant branch of Pentecostalism, this is more commonly known as the “Manifest Sons of God.” That movement is also referred to as “Sonship or “Overcomers.” Ramsey concludes based on even less evidence...
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Jesus Christ Returning In Manifest Sons of God and Their Dominionism via End Times Prophetic, Prophecy, Visions, Dreams, Revelation, Christian Blog May 30th, 2009 at 16:24

A comment by NOLR History that I wanted to flag up - “The core theosophy from which the NOLR (New Order of the Latter Rain)/NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) was formed inevitably leads the participants to believe THEY ARE JESUS CHRIST COLLECTIVELY!! Moreover, they secretly (but now more openly) believe the Second Coming per Revelations 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him…” as a metaphor for the “Manifest Sons of God” (them) to corporately demonstrate, through [their] signs and wonders that Christ has returned and now resides/taken up residence in their bodies corporately. This is why the Copelands, the Hinn brothers, the Crouches, etc. can say arrogantly “I am” as they believe Christ is fused with their soul. Of course they are all doomed...
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Joel’s Army Still Marching via End Times Prophetic, Prophecy, Visions, Dreams, Revelation, Christian Blog April 21st, 2009 at 05:40

I don’t think it does any harm to repost similar information, especially when it is on a subject so important. The following article is from P J Miller’s site - “Joel’s Army Teachings: They teach the deification of man and deny exclusive deity of God. Proponents of this teaching believe we will be as God and that this army literally BECOMES Christ! They teach and believe in the immortality and glorification of the elect “New Breed” or “Manifested Sons of God” aside from the literal presence of Christ. They believe that scripture is NOT the ONLY source of redemptive truth but rather there is progressive revelation through angelic visitations, dreams, and visions that are discouraged from being examined in the light of scripture. Their agenda is...
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if you are an elder or a pastor, GET RID OF THESE GUYS NOW.
physically remove them.
 
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have these men arrested, bar your doors, or move your flocks.
they're on their way.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

God has given His children the power and authority to bring down the strongholds of satan. The Lord has given us the wisdom to denounce mind set that exalt themselves above the knowledge of God, and tear them down. Understanding has been given us to heal the church and teach unity. We have been given the power, now let us walk in it. Satan is deathly afraid that we will one day wake up and realize who we are. Let us arise we who sleep, for the glory of God is shining upon us.
Yes church you are you are seeing it live. Only Satan himself would oppose this statement, as it says ''Satan is deathly afraid that we will one day wake up and realize who we are. Let us arise we who sleep, for the glory of God is shining upon us.'' And apparently so is Zone

Maybe Paul was also a manifest sons of God heretic????
1st Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not;

Ephesians 5:
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
 
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