Charles Stanley Correction

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I'm really unsure about something, this place of the dead for the righteous dead, is it actually still hell.

And what happens if a saved person dies in sin.

For scripture says we will all be raised from this place and be judged.

So why is this place known as special place for the righteous dead.
 

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I love this verse but it doesn't address going back to living like my former self.
Is God not able to chastise His children sometimes even unto death?

7 If[a] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Hebrews 12-6 - 11
 

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I think your saying when your saved God takes away your sin nature God atones your blood and takes away your sin nature.

But what happens if you die and you haven't repented of sin
There is only one repentance for salvation, that is the changing on one's mind away from dead works towards placing one's faith in the Christ Jesus and His atoning work completed for us through His death and Resurrection.

Repentance (metanoia) means to turn away from one thing towards another.

Jesus is the object of our faith, when we trust Him for the free gift of salvation it is a completed work He gives us.
 
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Is God not able to chastise His children sometimes even unto death?

7 If[a] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
Hebrews 12-6 - 11
What I see is punishment but what's the punishment for unrepented sin
 
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What do you think repentance means?

Back later.
well Jesus says if ye do not forgive ye will not be forgiven

So to not forgive some one who is repenting is a sin.

So if you don't repent it is also a sin


Which means you can't be forgiven if ye don't repent
 

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OSAS says that God chooses who will be saved, and not saved in the beginning and they have no choice.
No.

God is omniscient and He obviously knows who will be saved. Because He is outside of time and says
so by identifying Himself as "I AM", the only One Who perpetually exists in the present.

Nevertheless, God absolutely and beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt created His creatures with free will.
Demonstrated at every single juncture where this question arises.

We choose Jesus and His Lordship, His gracious offer, His eternal promises, and enter into the covenant that He Himself brokered and sealed by His blood.

The unredeemed refuse. A fully conscious decision from the heart.

Just to let you know, as an example, the preaching that lately I have proffered so stridently to colleagues, old friends and every creature have been for the most part rejected. Outright rejected in fact. And it was absolutely obvious to me that this rejection of the gospel message was a result of their own FREE WILL decision. A matter of the heart, a spiritual response.

Tragic. But not unexpected.

What I do hope is that this "seed" that I have "broadcasted" may yet future bear a harvest of souls.
With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
 

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well Jesus says if ye do not forgive ye will not be forgiven

So to not forgive some one who is repenting is a sin.

So if you don't repent it is also a sin


Which means you can't be forgiven if ye don't repent
Salvation is a once and for all SPIRITUAL reality. Outside of time.
You are trapped in a ridiculous doom-loop of time-bound cause and effect.
 

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What I see is punishment but what's the punishment for unrepented sin
Loving chastisement for the King's kids.

Everybody else gets the courtroom.

David did repent for his sin with Bathsheba. Was he previously saved, then lost his salvation, then regained it by repenting of those sinful acts? Then at his lawless census that occurred afterward, did he once again lose his salvation?
 
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Loving chastisement for the King's kids.

Everybody else gets the courtroom.

David did repent for his sin with Bathsheba. Was he previously saved, then lost his salvation, then regained it by repenting of those sinful acts? Then at his lawless census that occurred afterward, did he once again lose his salvation?
i still haven't had an answer

What is the punishment for not repenting
 

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1) sinful behavior is not acceptable to the Lord

2) and causes some (of the saved) to not inherit the Kingdom.
1) obviously true
2) obviously false

David was guilty of rape, conspiracy, murder of one of his best friends, and the deaths of 70,000 (!!!) of his countrymen.
All this done at an advanced age (he should have been spiritually mature by that time....right?) when he was in a very bad state of spiritual complacency and weakness to the temptations of the world.

What saved person that you know of is absolutely guilty of this magnitude of sinful acts?

BUT......David never "changed god's" or abandoned his Savior.