Does Christ "dying for our sins" mean that Jesus was punished for our sins?

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LeeLoving

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Like is that the literal meaning of those words?

1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Hopefully what I'm asking is clear.
 
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As the recipient of God’s judgment against sin, Jesus became sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that
everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 4:25
He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification.

Romans 5:6
For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

Romans 5:8
But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
 
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It isn't punishment. The Father is not punishing Jesus.

Jesus willingly gave His life for us. He was bruised, beaten..taking on our sins. Sacrificing Himself ..but not being punished, for He did no wrong.

He took the punishment for us. So in that sense, yes. But not in the sense of being punished for evil doing.

That's how I see it.
 
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LeeLoving said:
Like is that the literal meaning of those words?

1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Hopefully what I'm asking is clear.
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The wages of sin is death.

Isaiah 53:5
"........the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."

Hopefully the answer is clear.
 
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Thanks for the replies. My question apparently isn't clear. This is so hard to put into words because I think people might just say "Jesus died for our sins" by rote without really understanding what those words mean. What I'm asking is do the words "Jesus died for our sins" (or rather specifically do the words Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) "Christ died for our sins") mean "Jesus died to take the punishment for our sins". If this wasn't through the internet I could actually explain what I mean out loud and I think it might be obvious what I'm saying, but the written word is limited here, again because I think people might just say "Jesus died for our sins" by rote, the meaning of the words is often obscure.
 
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LeeLoving said:
Thanks for the replies. My question apparently isn't clear. This is so hard to put into words because I think people might just say "Jesus died for our sins" by rote without really understanding what those words mean. What I'm asking is do the words "Jesus died for our sins" (or rather specifically do the words Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) "Christ died for our sins") mean "Jesus died to take the punishment for our sins". If this wasn't through the internet I could actually explain what I mean out loud and I think it might be obvious what I'm saying, but the written word is limited here, again because I think people might just say "Jesus died for our sins" by rote, the meaning of the words is often obscure.
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Are you asking because you're not clear; or because you already have an opinion and want to get others clear on the subject?
 
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He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2 ESV
 
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Our Father in heaven loved His children that much! “Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;“ —Hebrews 2:14 and “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.” —John 14:6

—selah
 
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LeeLoving said:
Like is that the literal meaning of those words?

1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Hopefully what I'm asking is clear.
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As I understand it thus far, God does not directly punish sins, but our choosing to push away God is to choose to push away His gracious protection from agents of chaos and destruction who want to harm us. So, God's punishment for sin is actually Him handing us over to the powers he has been shielding us from. Accordingly, Jesus was not directly scourged by God, but Jesus agreed to be treated as someone who had sinned our sins would be, and he was handed over by God to men and to devils to be attacked by them. The treatment we and devils inflicted on Jesus when God's restraints were removed is intended to shock us and wake us up to our perverse brokenness, that we humans could do this to such a wonderful flawless person . But God's loving willingness to suffer this abandonment to the chaotic powers is also intended to enable us with confidence to draw near to God for mercy through Christ. in communion with whom we can be healed of our perverse brokenness and grow towards becoming conformed to His image.

This, I believe, is why Paul says Jesus died "on account of our sins". (huper tOn hamartiOn hEmOn).
 
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ResidentAlien said:
It depends on what you mean by "punishment." It's difficult to answer your question without knowing exactly what you mean by "punishment."
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I mean it as it would be commonly used. That Jesus took the punishment we deserve from God.
 
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LeeLoving said:
I mean it as it would be commonly used. That Jesus took the punishment we deserve from God.
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Again, it depends on how you define the "punishment we deserve from God." The just punishment for sinners is eternity in Hell, is it not? Jesus clearly didn't take that punishment for us. Did we all deserve to be crucified in a horrible way? Does God's word ever say the punishment for sin is death on the cross? I don't recall that. The cross was the remedy for sin, not the punishment for it.

So it boils down to what our just punishment is. Scripture says it's eternal punishment in Hell. So no, Jesus didn't take our punishment.
 
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To extract oil, such as in obtaining healing balms, "oil is extracted by three general methods: rendering, pressing, and with volatile solvents... cold-pressed oil, also called cold-drawn, or virgin, oil, is purer...than oil pressed with the aid of heat...the Romans developed a screw press...for the production of olive oil. Centuries ago, the Chinese employed the same series of operations followed in modern pressing mills--namely, bruising...(Britannica)."

But yes, the penalty for sin is death.
 
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@LeeLoving

What I'm asking is do the words "Jesus died for our sins" (or rather specifically do the words Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) "Christ died for our sins") mean "Jesus died to take the punishment for our sins".
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Yes Christ took the punishment for the sins of Gods Elect that had been charged or laid upon Him. More than likely Paul was referring to Isa 53:5-8


5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
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1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous,
to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit,

Colossians 1:22 But now He has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through
death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence--

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But
now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
 
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