The Security Of The Believer

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Nehemiah6

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The answer is as the scriptures themselves say we are predestined and elected unto the blessing, to be the people of God, the church. It's not about salvation.
Correct. And more specifically Romans 8:29 says this: For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Salvation is offered to all who will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. No one is excluded.
 

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. . . we will not need to worry about whether the seal is effective only until the day of redemption, or it is permanently effective forever.
The seal is not needed after the day of redemption. Once the person is perfected with FULL redemption (body, soul, spirit), no need for the seal will exist.
 

PaulThomson

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The seal is not needed after the day of redemption. Once the person is perfected with FULL redemption (body, soul, spirit), no need for the seal will exist.
Not the ones who could have the Holy Spirit deposit taken from them on the day of redemption.
 

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Our Lord redeemed all men from death. That is why all men will be raised from the dead. He will then consign some to a second death. The resurrection millennium, at the beginning of which we will have the resurrection of the righteous, and at the end of which we will have the resurrection of the wicked, is the day of redemption.
 

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Our Lord redeemed all men from death. That is why all men will be raised from the dead. He will then consign some to a second death. The resurrection millennium, at the beginning of which we will have the resurrection of the righteous, and at the end of which we will have the resurrection of the wicked, is the day of redemption.
But there is no redemption for the wicked (those that are lost). Though Jesus paid their sin debt, without repentance and faith, there is no remission, they are never sealed and never redeemed. There is, therefore, no day of redemption for them. The second death (resurrection) is never called a redemption.
 

Cameron143

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But there is no redemption for the wicked (those that are lost). Though Jesus paid their sin debt, without repentance and faith, there is no remission, they are never sealed and never redeemed. There is, therefore, no day of redemption for them. The second death (resurrection) is never called a redemption.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.
 

PaulThomson

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But there is no redemption for the wicked (those that are lost). Though Jesus paid their sin debt, without repentance and faith, there is no remission, they are never sealed and never redeemed. There is, therefore, no day of redemption for them. The second death (resurrection) is never called a redemption.
Jesus redeemed them from death. Now Jesus can do with them as he pleases. Jesus does not regenerate everyone he redeemed from death. Only those who put their trust in Him.

I didn't say the second death is redemption. Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption. The second death is not resurrection.
 
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Jesus redeemed them from death. Now Jesus can do with them as he pleases. Jesus does not regenerate everyone he redeemed from death. Only those who put their trust in Him.

I didn't say the second death is redemption. Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption. The second death is not resurrection.
After you die once, you must have life to die a second time.
 

Cameron143

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Jesus redeemed them from death. Now Jesus can do with them as he pleases. Jesus does not regenerate everyone he redeemed from death. Only those who put their trust in Him.

I didn't say the second death is redemption. Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption. The second death is not resurrection.
How does...it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment...fit in?
 
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4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Hebrews 6: 4-6 ESV

9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24: 9-14 ESV

29 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30 ESV

38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8: 39, 39 ESV
 

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Jesus redeemed them from death. Now Jesus can do with them as he pleases. Jesus does not regenerate everyone he redeemed from death. Only those who put their trust in Him.

I didn't say the second death is redemption. Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption. The second death is not resurrection.
I'm not sure who you are saying the redeemed are, but if one is regenerated, he is redeemed. Those not regenerated have NOT been redeemed. One is not redeemed unless he puts his trust in Him. It's that simple.
 

Magenta

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Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption.
Where does Scripture say this? Or is this another clear example of you going well beyond what Scripture actually teaches?


Job 33:27b-28
 
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For every verse supporting Calvinism and predestination, without agency, there are 10 more verses teaching eternal salvation. I call it salvation, not security. We may be martyred in this lifetime, as many believers have... however when we die, we all go home. those that have blasphemed the invitation of the Holy Spirit, to be born again, are the ONLY ones going to hell. The rest of agnostics will go to purgatory.
 

Magenta

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For every verse supporting Calvinism and God's 100% sovereignty, without agency, there are 10 more verses teaching eternal salvation. I call it salvation, not security. We may be martyred in this lifetime, as many believers have... however when we die, we all go home. those that have blasphemed the invitation of the Holy Spirit, to be born again, are the ONLY ones going to hell. The rest of agnostics will go to purgatory.
Purgatory is not Biblical.
 
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After you die once, you must have life to die a second time.
There are different resurrections. One for Christians, one for non-believers. The elect will be caught up with Jesus riding on the clouds. Those resting in Jesus will be resurrected during this time, the 7 year tribulation. To receive their rewards and crowns. However after 1000 years, the Millennial reign, those who died outside of Jesus will be resurrected to face judgement, the 2nd death. Christians will be spared from the 2nd death... forever living with Christ.
 

Magenta

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How do you explain schizophrenia? Wasn't Jonas swallowed up by purgatory?
The Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. Jonah 1:17

I don't explain schizophrenia beyond, perhaps, saying it is a mental illness.
 
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Why don't schizophrenia patients experience any symptoms until the age of accountability?