Predestination is misunderstood...

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Obviously you dont believe. More on Grace,

Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Does God predestine people to be saved first.
 
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
does God predestine people to be saved first
 
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 
Dec 18, 2023
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 

Genez

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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Did God predestine you to be born in 1524? In 1621?

No.... He did not.

You are misunderstanding the meaning of 'predestined.'

We were predestined to be born during a time, that to believe?
Would make us to be the body of Christ.

Was Moses a believer?
YES!

Was Moses predestined to believe in Jesus Christ for the Church age?
NO!

We were NOT predestined to be saved.
But, we were predestined as to when we would reveal our belief that God knew we would do.
And, predestined for what our salvation woulds entail for eternity.

Moses is not the Bride of Christ. Was he? No.
We are!
That is what God predestined us for to be becoming when we believed in the Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.

God did not predestine for us to believe.
God predestined us because He knew we would believe!
Predestined us IN HIM to be born at a time when He was gathering believers for the Bride of Christ!

Take it slow brother....... Don't let frustration rule over you.

God did not predestine for us to believe.
God predestined us because He knew we would believe!


Predestined us IN HIM to be born at a time when He was gathering believers to become Bride of Christ!


grace and peace .............
 

brightfame52

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does God predestine people to be saved first
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 

brightfame52

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Nov 21, 2020
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Did God predestine you to be born in 1524? In 1621?

No.... He did not.

You are misunderstanding the meaning of 'predestined.'

We were predestined to be born during a time, that to believe?
Would make us to be the body of Christ.

Was Moses a believer?
YES!

Was Moses predestined to believe in Jesus Christ for the Church age?
NO!

We were NOT predestined to be saved.
But, we were predestined as to when we would reveal our belief that God knew we would do.
And, predestined for what our salvation woulds entail for eternity.

Moses is not the Bride of Christ. Was he? No.
We are!
That is what God predestined us for to be becoming when we believed in the Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.

God did not predestine for us to believe.
God predestined us because He knew we would believe!
Predestined us IN HIM to be born at a time when He was gathering believers for the Bride of Christ!

Take it slow brother....... Don't let frustration rule over you.

God did not predestine for us to believe.
God predestined us because He knew we would believe!


Predestined us IN HIM to be born at a time when He was gathering believers to become Bride of Christ!


grace and peace .............
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 
Dec 18, 2023
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 

brightfame52

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Nov 21, 2020
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Does God predestine people to be saved first
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 
Dec 18, 2023
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 

Genez

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I know God loves me for who I am and not out of favour.

I also knows he also has me living in past time to warn me of the future.

I also know he gives me a choice.

I also know he knows every hair on people heads
Try my question, perhaps?

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

I hope you know what that means.
The last time I asked it, you failed to grasp the meaning.

Here it is again...
Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

grace and peace .............
 
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Try my question, perhaps?

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

I hope you know what that means.
The last time I asked it, you failed to grasp the meaning.

Here it is again...
Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

grace and peace .............
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 

Genez

Junior Member
Oct 12, 2017
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son.
That speaks of our Resurrection. Philippians 3:21
"By the power that enables him to subject all things to himself,
he will transform our humble bodies to be like his glorious body."



And, also concerning the transformative grace process (2 Corinthians 3:18) we now must go through while awaiting the resurrection.

But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being
transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We are all being transformed now, as to become totally conformed in the Resurrection!


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

brightfame52

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Nov 21, 2020
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Does God predestine people to be saved first
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
 

brightfame52

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Nov 21, 2020
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That speaks of our Resurrection. Philippians 3:21
"By the power that enables him to subject all things to himself,
he will transform our humble bodies to be like his glorious body."



And, also concerning the transformative grace process (2 Corinthians 3:18) we now must go through while awaiting the resurrection.
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being
transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

We are all being transformed now, as to become totally conformed in the Resurrection!


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son.
 

Genez

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Oct 12, 2017
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Does God predestine people to be saved first
If you answer my question you will hopefully be able to answer it for yourself.

Third time in asking.....

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?


Please.... put aside your instability and insecurity and answer the question?

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

The answer is, yes.
Even stupid me can see that.
Why can't you?


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
 
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If you answer my question you will hopefully be able to answer it for yourself.

Third time in asking.....

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

Please.... put aside your instability and insecurity and answer the question?

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

The answer is, yes.
Even stupid me can see that.
Why can't you?


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
Congratulations
 

Genez

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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son.

Moses and David were not predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son.

They are in heaven right now... saved!

:coffee:
 
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The reason we believe is because God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son. Rom 8:28-30 To ensure that his people would be conformed to the image of Christ, God predestinated each one to that conformity to his Son.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Does God predestine people to be saved first
 
Dec 18, 2023
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If you answer my question you will hopefully be able to answer it for yourself.

Third time in asking.....

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

Please.... put aside your instability and insecurity and answer the question?

Did God predestinate where and when you were to be born?

The answer is, yes.
Even stupid me can see that.
Why can't you?


:coffee::coffee::coffee:
I never called you stupid I called what you where asking was stupid.

That was last week.