Who are the covenant people

[Fundaamental]

The new and old covenants is with Israel and the Gentiles are included, for Gentiles in the Old Testament could be blessed if they took hold of God's covenant as well in the New Testament.

When a Gentile is saved they become a Jew inward, and they become part of the commonwealth of Israel.

The 12 tribes of Israel, and the 12 apostles of the Lamb are written in the New Jerusalem.

God will restore the kingdom on earth back to the Hebrews.

Interesting analogy lol, if you look back in time you could say Christianity was Flowered Judaism.

But does the same rule apply for today.

As of what stage do Christians become born again, especially since I here this can be a process, where by new members of the Christian faith known as regenerative Christians can experience the same things as born again Christians, so how would one know if you had finished the regenerative stage.. humm I wonders

Could be inside every Christian is a Jew.

All tho I dont think it would be fair to call me a Judaizer for this lol

 

[Fundaamental]

I'm now more undecided than ever as to who exactly who are the original covenant people, with all the latest child killing happening in Isreal I wonder if the Palestinians are the real covenant people. I heard they dont want a bridge between Isreal and Egypt the other day but Isreal do ?.

 

[FredVB]

Knowing of the covenant is not part of the gospel for any to be saved. But agreeing that there is God that we need restoration to and repenting with faith that would have us included in Christ who came for us, with the way shown and bearing all that was needed, for our restoration, is. The covenant of salvation in Christ is that.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Knowing of the covenant is not part of the gospel for any to be saved. But agreeing that there is God that we need restoration to and repenting with faith that would have us included in Christ who came for us, with the way shown and bearing all that was needed, for our restoration, is. The covenant of salvation in Christ is that.

Actually the covenant is an agreement that a person has to be baptised into to fulfil that agreement.

The covenant is an agreement between God and his people that must be followed in obedience, and this is the only way we can show our love to God, by being obedient to God.

The question is not really who in particular are the covenant people, but it looks like the hebrews delivered the covenant to both the Jew and the gentile.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Who are the covenant people?
A covenant means a sacred agreement or a mutual promise between God and a person or a group of people.

Does one new covenant make an older covenant obsolete ?

The second doesn’t nullify the first but you have the order wrong the gospel came before the law and all people were. Chosen first

“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel came first and the law couldn’t disannul it

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The second doesn’t nullify the first but you have the order wrong the gospel came before the law and all people were. Chosen first

“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel came first and the law couldn’t disannul it

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Gospel is for the purpose to proclaim the Good news in order to bring people to repentance also, which is part of the covenant, are you saying the gospel is not part of the covenant now, 🤔

It seems you are.

Them we have the reasons why God will not hear his people no more

2 Chronicles 7:14

14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.


Notice this is for God's people who have heard the gospel, So are you saying the above is not part of God's holy covenant.

 

[FredVB]

Actually the covenant is an agreement that a person has to be baptised into to fulfil that agreement.

The covenant is an agreement between God and his people that must be followed in obedience, and this is the only way we can show our love to God, by being obedient to God.

The question is not really who in particular are the covenant people, but it looks like the hebrews delivered the covenant to both the Jew and the gentile.

Being baptized is not actually a commandment for us to become, that is shown in scriptures. There is the requirement that Christ said, in the final words shown in Matthew 28, to go into the world making disciples and baptizing them. So, it is required of them to be baptizing. This could just be water baptism, which is all that they can really do for any baptism. Still, all believers are baptized, in the Spirit into Christ. The believers, who really are that, are already saved, even while they must really grow, a whole lot, to approach the image of Christ that is for them to come to. Obedience is important to this, indeed.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Being baptized is not actually a commandment for us to become, that is shown in scriptures. There is the requirement that Christ said, in the final words shown in Matthew 28, to go into the world making disciples and baptizing them. So, it is required of them to be baptizing. This could just be water baptism, which is all that they can really do for any baptism. Still, all believers are baptized, in the Spirit into Christ. The believers, who really are that, are already saved, even while they must really grow, a whole lot, to approach the image of Christ that is for them to come to. Obedience is important to this, indeed.

I'll have to check that out with the lord thanks for your reply 🙂

Was Adams and eves !!life!! Gods life !! Spiritualy alive to the power of life before the fall.


adam and eve, someone you loved 🙂

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Who are the covenant people?
A covenant means a sacred agreement or a mutual promise between God and a person or a group of people.

Does one new covenant make an older covenant obsolete ?

The covenant people are the people he makes each covenant with

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27-29, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats a covenant he made with mankind in the beginning they broke the covenant law and received the condition of death for breaking it that covenant came to this end

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Another covenant is later promised to a new covenant people

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; ……

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13-14, 17-18‬ ‭

Then later he makes a covenant with Abram the Hebrew to make him a nation through whom all people would be blessed

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; and also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:13-16, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then after

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram,( single blessed nation ) but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He makes a second covenant with Abraham father of many nations based on the offering of Isaac the only recognized son

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬




When tbat came to pass after four hundred years in Egypt he made a covenant with the children of Jacob from Mount Sinai Jacob who was abrams grandson with his children and thier descendants he made the covenant through Moses

later he promises a new covenant that will not be according to throne from Sinai . Then he promises Jesus will come and make the covenant then Jesus sends the gospel to all creatures of the world saying “ whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The covenant people are the people he makes each covenant with

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27-29, 31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats a covenant he made with mankind in the beginning they broke the covenant law and received the condition of death for breaking it that covenant came to this end

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Another covenant is later promised to a new covenant people

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; ……

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13-14, 17-18‬ ‭

Then later he makes a covenant with Abram the Hebrew to make him a nation through whom all people would be blessed

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; and also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:13-16, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then after

“As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram,( single blessed nation ) but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He makes a second covenant with Abraham father of many nations based on the offering of Isaac the only recognized son

“And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, and said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬




When tbat came to pass after four hundred years in Egypt he made a covenant with the children of Jacob from Mount Sinai Jacob who was abrams grandson with his children and thier descendants he made the covenant through Moses

later he promises a new covenant that will not be according to throne from Sinai . Then he promises Jesus will come and make the covenant then Jesus sends the gospel to all creatures of the world saying “ whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “

yes you have me on ignore.

For some reason this account has not been closed

@Thunderrr-mental is my new username

Thanks for your comment.

Oh one more thing

Who's life was breathed in to Adam which is the life of all mankind

 

[obertarti]

I ask again who are the covenant people

People which God covenanted by circumcision and given the Spirit of covenant
This is very difficult to reach today

Circumcision means that image of devil destroyed in one and he cannot sin

The Spirit in one means that one are in spirit and see the heavens and reality in spirit

Modern Christianity are in flesh not in spirit

It means that many of them candidates to make covenant with God through Christ but not in covenant with God

necessary spiritual circumsision -this is sign of covenant

 

[FredVB]

I'll have to check that out with the lord thanks for your reply 🙂

Was Adams and eves !!life!! Gods life !! Spiritualy alive to the power of life before the fall.

Did you learn more from that with checking?

Circumcision was an outward sign (others then would see the sign among one another then. Things have changed for most since from back then). In Christ there is the reality for real believers who are his followers, that earlier circumcision was a sign for that. The reality is inward circumcision in which ones are separated from their sinful selves, called fleshly, in the repentance with which they come to God in the restoration through Christ. Sins found, and they will be, must then always be turned from, to not continue with still.

 

[HeIsHere]

Did you learn more from that with checking?

Circumcision was an outward sign (others then would see the sign among one another then. Things have changed for most since from back then). In Christ there is the reality for real believers who are his followers, that earlier circumcision was a sign for that. The reality is inward circumcision in which ones are separated from their sinful selves, called fleshly, in the repentance with which they come to God in the restoration through Christ. Sins found, and they will be, must then always be turned from, to not continue with still.

@FredVB Just an fyi .....Thunderr mental has been banned so he won't be able to answer your question under that moniker, sometimes people come back though even though they are not supposed to.

 

[Burn1986]

Who are the covenant people?
A covenant means a sacred agreement or a mutual promise between God and a person or a group of people.

Does one new covenant make an older covenant obsolete ?

God’s covenant people are one’s He deals harshly with. The way you can tell if you’re a covenant person is that you will have trouble and trials all your life. In fact, God will require you to go beyond yourself and if you fail, He will prepare destruction for you and your family. Deut 28:15-68

 

[FredVB]

God’s covenant people are one’s He deals harshly with. The way you can tell if you’re a covenant person is that you will have trouble and trials all your life. In fact, God will require you to go beyond yourself and if you fail, He will prepare destruction for you and your family. Deut 28:15-68

People are all called to acknowledge God and to repent, to turn from sins when they see God's way, and God already makes known to come to God as Christ came and provided for that making it possible. All people are to be reached with this information yet God makes known to any that respond to what God shows for them to turn and have needed faith that they may be saved. Romans 1:20 shows none have any excuse who avoid God. Our mission is to have the gospel reaching more to give all much more opportunity. God is gracious, giving opportunity to grow in godliness, coming to God through Christ, and not bringing planned destruction to any who are in Christ. Yet there is more godliness to come to than most among us do. We are to watch out for that. There are passages in the Bible we will miss, especially if we just know of passages from learning in church, and not hear more from our conscience or learn of more things from God for us.

 

[FredVB]

The old covenant is specifically with the priesthood, sacrificial system, and its ways for being made clean before God. As such there were types which were really for directing the people involved with all that toward Christ, who alone was always the effective way for it all. Without the needed faith all that sacrifice of animals was an abomination to God, as God said. The commandments God spoke audibly are showing what not to do, which would be sin, and in Christ there is sin to turn from. The higher will of God is what we should look for, anything else being for compromise where our hearts are stubborn, with our own ways. The original things shown from God are God's will for us.