Predestination is misunderstood...

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Genez

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ok carry on not correcting a brother then seems your depraved to
Where did you learn English?
Your communication is depraved....

If you have a mental condition? And can not help yourself .. and we knew it?
We would have mercy on you.

But, when you fake having a mental condition as a means to throw a wrench in the gears of the narrative?
Then..... we all need to put you on Ignore. Not just some of us.

No one with a genuine mental problem uses such an avatar.

Its your invented persona.


Looks like we are going to have to organize and agree to ignore you unless you can explain why you can not keep a coherent thought.

This you?

What are the 3 main symptoms of ADHD?
Symptoms. Some people with ADHD have fewer symptoms as they age, but some adults continue to have major symptoms that interfere with daily functioning. In adults, the main features of ADHD may include difficulty paying attention, impulsiveness and restlessness.

If not? You are being that way on purpose.
 

Genez

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I wasn't referring to "they". I was referring to "us".
"Us?' As per "both?"

Pot meet kettle. Both need a mirror.
Is there a curse on this forum? Was there a full moon recently?

You need to mention whom you are addressing.....
Not doing so is a bad reflection on you...

I had to even check to see if I had anyone on Ignore ...

You just left the reason blank.

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Cameron143

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You need to quote whom you are addressing.....

Not doing so is a bad reflection on you...
Not what my mirror shows. But it certainly applies to everyone who doesn't think it applies to them.
 

Genez

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Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not and cant submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart. Duh
God has brought about (by grace) the ability to change.

By suppressing their flesh (by the power of grace) their soul will be made free to decide what it wants to believe.

Just the same. Even when God places them under His drawing grace, they can still choose freely to be against God.
That is why they will be held accountable.
For, if grace were not applied? And the soul had no choice but to reject God?
Then its not really their choice to be judged, but rather the result of Adam's choice!

Yes... we are born depraved. For Adam ate and passed down the sin nature to us all.

But, its only the flesh that is beyond hope. Not the soul who was born in a body making it a slave to the flesh.
The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:6-8

The mind is our soul!
Its the brain where the soul's thinking registers in the material world.

grace and peace ...................
 

FollowerofShiloh

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It was not from Calvin's lips.
Calvin never devised what we now know as TULIP.

It was years after Calvin's death when some of his disciples organized to give us TULIP.
Some of his ideas were used, but what we get appears was according to some of their own thinking.

The TULIP of Calvinism



grace and peace ....................
I know that but they used the writings of Calvin and others to format the core doctrine. And the what's inside the core doctrine can be found in Calvin's notes.
 

Genez

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Not what my mirror shows. But it certainly applies to everyone who doesn't think it applies to them.
ok.... you want to avoid what's important to admit to.

I understand....

I was young once.
 

sawdust

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Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not and cant submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart. Duh

How about you stop spamming and enter a real dialogue. Paul said he was willing to do good. He did not have a new heart as he ends by crying out for salvation. Try opening your mind to the truth of what is written instead of closing it off behind a wall of copy and paste.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Please give details so I can know what you are referring to.

Question again, was.....

Limited atonement was in Calvin's notes?
Who were the others? Anyone know?
1.total depravity (Luther and Calvin)
2. unconditional election (Augustine)
3. limited atonement (Gottschalk)
4. irresistible grace (Augustine)
5.perseverance of the saints (Augustine)

John Calvin is the first to apply 4 concepts of TULIP.
 
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Where did you learn English?
Your communication is depraved....

If you have a mental condition? And can not help yourself .. and we knew it?
We would have mercy on you.

But, when you fake having a mental condition as a means to throw a wrench in the gears of the narrative?
Then..... we all need to put you on Ignore. Not just some of us.

No one with a genuine mental problem uses such an avatar.

Its your invented persona.


Looks like we are going to have to organize and agree to ignore you unless you can explain why you can not keep a coherent thought.

This you?

What are the 3 main symptoms of ADHD?
Symptoms. Some people with ADHD have fewer symptoms as they age, but some adults continue to have major symptoms that interfere with daily functioning. In adults, the main features of ADHD may include difficulty paying attention, impulsiveness and restlessness.

If not? You are being that way on purpose.
yes depraved

Depraved make bad wicked

Your sin

Wicked
 

Genez

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1.total depravity (Luther and Calvin)
2. unconditional election (Augustine)
3. limited atonement (Gottschalk)
4. irresistible grace (Augustine)
5.perseverance of the saints (Augustine)

John Calvin is the first to apply 4 concepts of TULIP.

They needed to find a way to explain what was not explained directly in Scripture...
So.... They provided their own answers to help keep the peasants stabilized.

Just like the RCC did with their concocted explanation as to how Jesus was born without sin.
They made it up, too.

Lets just say... "It was an accepted trend with the religious community at their time in history. '

Thanks for that info! :)

grace and peace .............