MYSTERY, BABYLON

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I appreciate your comments EG I beleive the 2 witnesses are the old and new testaments
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Rev 11:3 And I will give POWER to unto my two witnessess, and they shall PROPHESY a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which is SPIRITUALLY called Sodom & Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half, the Spirit of Life from God entered into THEM, and they STOOD UPON THEIR FEET. and GREAT FEAR fell upon THEM which SAW THEM.

What you are saying does not make sense.? The whole world is going to celebrate the deaths of these two prophets (witnessess) because they are sending plagues etc. They will be hated by everyone.

If you are around during these times, are you going to hate them as well? Because when they come you wont be able to identify them as being sent from God. You may be decieved into thinking they are the enemy.

Remember the strong delusion comes......not just on the world but even on the christians. Out of curiosity have you been incorrectly taught that there is a false prophet and an antichrist (2 of them) Can you see who these two may be mistaken for? Forget about the world for a minute. We know that they are decieved, but the devil is especially going after us, the christians. If he can decieve us with false doctrine then he's half way there already.

Please find it in your heart to search for truth. I encourage you strongly and know you can do it Lao.
 
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Rev 11:3 And I will give POWER to unto my two witnessess, and they shall PROPHESY a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which is SPIRITUALLY called Sodom & Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half, the Spirit of Life from God entered into THEM, and they STOOD UPON THEIR FEET. and GREAT FEAR fell upon THEM which SAW THEM.

What you are saying does not make sense.? The whole world is going to celebrate the deaths of these two prophets (witnessess) because they are sending plagues etc. They will be hated by everyone.

If you are around during these times, are you going to hate them as well? Because when they come you wont be able to identify them as being sent from God. You may be decieved into thinking they are the enemy.

Remember the strong delusion comes......not just on the world but even on the christians. Out of curiosity have you been incorrectly taught that there is a false prophet and an antichrist (2 of them) Can you see who these two may be mistaken for? Forget about the world for a minute. We know that they are decieved, but the devil is especially going after us, the christians. If he can decieve us with false doctrine then he's half way there already.

Please find it in your heart to search for truth. I encourage you strongly and know you can do it Lao.
Thank you for your comments, although people may differ on interpretation nearly all agree that Revelation is symbolic. Have you considered the attacks on the Bible in history? Look at the french revelution for example, they fought against all christianity, it was from that is where communism got there ideas
 
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well I can't say I'm surprised after all you are American
has nothing to do with being an american. has everything to do with the word of God. America does not fit the characteristics. America is on an evil path. But she is not babylon
 
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Thank you for the information and I appreciate it, I have read some information from a web site:-

Place Where The First Letter Of Peter Was Written
Peter wrote in 1 Peter 5:13, “She in Babylon, chosen together with you, and my son Mark, greet you.” “She” designates the church where Peter was at when he wrote his first letter. That church was located in Babylon. Babylon is not to be understood literally. The great city of ancient Babylon was destroyed by the Medes and the Persians centuries earlier. Among the Jews “Babylon” stood for a great seat of political power that was an enemy hostile to God's people. It seems relatively certain that Peter used the name of Babylon for Rome, which was the great seat of political power that was hostile to God's people, the Christians who confessed Christ. This being the case, Peter wrote his first letter in Rome.

Below is a link to the site if you want to reference it:-
An Overview Of The Book Of 1 Peter

If you have any further information showing that He wrote it from Jerusalem then I will read it
are we sure "She" is the church? and not a person who is in Rome?

If Peter wanted to say jerusalem, he would not have used babylon. Peter would not have mocked his own city. This makes no sense.
 
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are we sure "She" is the church? and not a person who is in Rome?

If Peter wanted to say jerusalem, he would not have used babylon. Peter would not have mocked his own city. This makes no sense.
Did Ezekiel mock his own city when He called Jerusalem a HARLOT?

Peter saw ABOMINATIONS in Jerusalem...that's why he called it BABYLON.

Anyhoot, Peter knew that Jerusalem was not HIS city. He knew that He was a citizen of GODS KINGDOM which is NOT of this world. A concept that is completely lost on some.
 
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are we sure "She" is the church? and not a person who is in Rome?

If Peter wanted to say jerusalem, he would not have used babylon. Peter would not have mocked his own city. This makes no sense.
Babylon is a system the Antichrist is a person in charge of that system
 
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Babylon is a system the Antichrist is a person in charge of that system
Babylon is a city that represents a people that use a system that covers but is not confined to COMMUNISM, FREEMASONRY and control of media, politics and FINANCE.

The city is Jerusalem, the people are pharisees and the system is TALMUDISM!

Antichrist is a verb.
 
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Babylon is a city that represents a people that use a system that covers but is not confined to COMMUNISM, FREEMASONRY and control of media, politics and FINANCE.

The city is Jerusalem, the people are pharisees and the system is TALMUDISM!

Antichrist is a verb.
I thought you were going to show me some Bible texts showing that Peter was in Jerusalem when he wrote 1 Peter? If he was in Rome then that means Rome=Babylon. Hearing your words is not enough for faith is based on evidence.
 
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Babylon is a system the Antichrist is a person in charge of that system
No denying there. If Jerusalem ruled the world Christ would not have to be sent to Pilot Who answered to Caesar. who was in Rome. They could have crucified him themselves if they were in charge.

As for antichrist ruling. He does not rule it. It says she gave the antichrist power. Then the antichrist destroyed her.
 
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I thought you were going to show me some Bible texts showing that Peter was in Jerusalem when he wrote 1 Peter? If he was in Rome then that means Rome=Babylon. Hearing your words is not enough for faith is based on evidence.
Paul speaking to the Church at Galatia:

(Galatians 1:18) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Peter lived in Jerusalem. As one of the Apostles which were at Jerusalem.

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

So when he says:

(1 Peter 5:13) The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

He's talking about the city where he is. He's talking about the remnant Church that is right in the middle of the aposatate Hebrew city of Jerusalem, where abominations abounded.
 
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No denying there. If Jerusalem ruled the world Christ would not have to be sent to Pilot Who answered to Caesar. who was in Rome. They could have crucified him themselves if they were in charge.
Or maybe (as usual) the pharisees used their gentile TOOL to do the dirtywork so that Chrtistian zionists could put the blame on ROME.

Can you even say that the pharisee Jews conspired towards and caused the death of Christ?
As for antichrist ruling. He does not rule it. It says she gave the antichrist power. Then the antichrist destroyed her.
There you go talking about scripture again without posting the verses. Where does 'IT SAY' that?
 
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Or maybe (as usual) the pharisees used their gentile TOOL to do the dirtywork so that Chrtistian zionists could put the blame on ROME.

Can you even say that the pharisee Jews conspired towards and caused the death of Christ?
That sounds good. But considering the romans gave them an out and did not want to crucify and innocent man. And it was these people who stired the crowd and yelled "crucify him crucify him" "Give is barrabus" I can't by into this logit. The whole world saw them yett crucify him, they were not hiding anything.


There you go talking about scripture again without posting the verses. Where does 'IT SAY' that?
Rev 17 Says she sits on the kings (she supports them) and later says they are empowerd by God to destroy the woman.

And the ten horns which you saw on[d] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
 
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That sounds good. But considering the romans gave them an out and did not want to crucify and innocent man. And it was these people who stired the crowd and yelled "crucify him crucify him" "Give is barrabus" I can't by into this logit. The whole world saw them yett crucify him, they were not hiding anything.
Funny, the RCC themselves have absolved the Jews of killing Christ.

Baby daughter covering AGAIN?

Can you please say out loud for all to hear:

Pharisee Jews killed Christ.

Loud and proud please. Dont worry, no ones gonna call you an antisemite.

Rev 17 Says she sits on the kings (she supports them) and later says they are empowerd by God to destroy the woman.

And the ten horns which you saw on[d] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
Nope, I dont see any mention of the antichrist anywhere there. You must've seen it in one of LaHayes movies.
 
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Funny, the RCC themselves have absolved the Jews of killing Christ.

Baby daughter covering AGAIN?

Can you please say out loud for all to hear:

Pharisee Jews killed Christ.

Loud and proud please. Dont worry, no ones gonna call you an antisemite.
No I can't. I must say the truth..

ETERNALLY GRATEFULL KILLED CHRIST!



Nope, I dont see any mention of the antichrist anywhere there. You must've seen it in one of LaHayes movies.
Well it does not matter what you believe. The Beast is the final world empire. And wee all know who that is. Can only be rome. And we know who rules this power.
 
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No I can't. I must say the truth..

ETERNALLY GRATEFULL KILLED CHRIST!
You cant even say it can you?

Well it does not matter what you believe. The Beast is the final world empire. And wee all know who that is. Can only be rome. And we know who rules this power.
Yes we know who rules the that particular TEMPLE CULT.

PHARISEES, babylon the great city Jerusalem...the HARLOT as described by God through Ezekiel...

right EG....?.....?
 
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You cant even say it can you?
So what? That I did not kill Christ for my sin?

Oh you mean the pharisees. Why off course they did. They sinned to. As did you. Or do you think you did not kill Christ??


Again, they were given an out. But they chose barabbus.


But did they have power? No. They could maybe stone him, they could not crucify him, Only rome had that power. Jerusalem had no power of its own without rome.

But you can't admit this can you?
Yes we know who rules the that particular TEMPLE CULT.

PHARISEES, babylon the great city Jerusalem...the HARLOT as described by God through Ezekiel...

right EG....?.....?

Jerusalem HAS NO POWER. What temple? I see no temple in Jerusalem. The could not even rebuild one unless they are given permission. What do you think the covenant is for? Of course the fact they are even trying proves they have not repented yet and are still in sin and denial. But ezekial and daniel and other prophets including Paul said this would happen.

Ezekial? Oh you mean the jews commiting the harlot. by using things they LEARNED from those they overthrough (the mother of the harlots) And adding it to Gods truth? Like a pagan jewish religion. Sound familiar? Looks just like the pagan Christian religion who influences the world under the power of the heads in rome.
 
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Oh you mean the pharisees. Why off course they did. They sinned to. As did you. Or do you think you did not kill Christ??

Again, they were given an out. But they chose barabbus.


But did they have power? No. They could maybe stone him, they could not crucify him, Only rome had that power. Jerusalem had no power of its own without rome.
Seems like they had the power to convince Pilate to crucify Jesus even against his better judgement.

Talmud....FREEMASONRY, COMMUNISM, HATE LAWS, WORLD FINANCE, MEDIA, ETC ETC ETC

Do you want to study any of these aspects of Jerusalems HUGE power? I'd be happy to.

What temple? I see no temple in Jerusalem.
I dunno...what temple? Where did I say anything other than the RCC is a temple cult? They try and worship in the temple style. what are you talking about?

The could not even rebuild one unless they are given permission. What do you think the covenant is for?
Permission by who? The U.N. who they control?

What covenant? Whats it for?

Of course the fact they are even trying proves they have not repented yet and are still in sin and denial. But ezekial and daniel and other prophets including Paul said this would happen.
We're still talking about Pharisees yes?

Of course they are still in denial. They always were and always will be.

Ezekial? Oh you mean the jews commiting the harlot. by using things they LEARNED from those they overthrough (the mother of the harlots) And adding it to Gods truth?
Are you still denying that God, through Ezekiel, called Jerusalem a HARLOT?

How can paganism be the Mother of Harlots? Whore in OT scripture means commiting ADULTERY. Pagans dont even believe in the God of Israel so how can they be knowingly WHORING.

Paganism is the LOVER. The LOVER of the WHORE just like Ezekiel says. Maybe now you've decided to debate me again you can address this:

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;


???

Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:

HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

Do you still claim a wife cannot be a harlot?

Who is the whore and who is the lover in these verses?

Like a pagan jewish religion. Sound familiar? Looks just like the pagan Christian religion who influences the world under the power of the heads in rome.
Yes..the Hebrews took little souveneirs from her LOVERS. So what?

RCC influences the world? SHE'S A BABY DAUGHTER!!

She does everything mamma wants!

A GREAT decoy...nothing more!
 
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Seems like they had the power to convince Pilate to crucify Jesus even against his better judgement.
Nah. He gave them a choice. Jesus or a real sinner. He did not think they would pick Jesus over barabus. But they did.

They still had no power. why are you so convinced they did??


I mean did Saul have power killing Christians by jerusalem? or was it because he was a A Roman Citizen and had the power of Rome behind him.

its funny. When Paul was in jerusalem, the jews wanted to have him killed. They could not do a thing because he was a roman citizen by birth. no one would touch him.

poor old Jews. they could not kill a christian without the power of Rome, then they could not kill a christian because of the power of Rome. Yep they had so much power.


any more tricks up your sleeve? You seem to be failing miserably to prove jerusalem had any power whatsoever other than what ROME gave them!

Talmud....FREEMASONRY, COMMUNISM, HATE LAWS, WORLD FINANCE, MEDIA, ETC ETC ETC

Do you want to study any of these aspects of Jerusalems HUGE power? I'd be happy to.
what does this have to do with Jerusalem having power? does jerusalem (which is Christian, Islamic and Christian) have all that power? Why don't they just kick the christians and Islams out and rebuild the temple if they have so much power. Ever heard anyone tell Rome they can't build a pagan temple somewhere?

Let put this to the test. Lets go to every country. You open a tulmad store selling goods which represent them. I will open a catholic store selling stuff which represent them. I bet I make a heck of a lot more loot than you do! Why? The world hate those who call themselves Jews. The world loves that which calls itself the church of Christ. WHy do you think the world will mourn so hard when they are destroyed?

I dunno...what temple? Where did I say anything other than the RCC is a temple cult? They try and worship in the temple style. what are you talking about?
I don't know. did I misunderstand you. You said we know who rules that temple cult, then said pharisees. How els was I too take it other than you believed the phariees ruled that temple?

Permission by who? The U.N. who they control?
Who said anything about the UN? Is the UN rome?? why do you keep assuming you know what I believe?? You all keep making false accusations against me saying I believe this. when I don't. then you never admit you were wrong. why is that?

What covenant? Whats it for?
You tell me. Daniel makes it clear HE (the prince who is to come) makes a covenant for 1 week (7 years) sometime after the city and temple is destroyed (done by titus in AD 70) and in the middle of that week commits the abomination of desolation. Why would he commit an abomination in the temple and break that covenant? What covenant? You all keep telling me there is none. Gabriel said there is. what is it?? You gonna keep hidiing from it?

Think about it. If he makes a one week covenant, and then we are told in the middle of that week he commits the abomination. It is logical to understand the covenant had something to do with the temple which allowed him to commit the abomination. There has been no temple since titus destroyed it. So what covenant. and what temple??

We're still talking about Pharisees yes?

Of course they are still in denial. They always were and always will be.
No I am talking about the house of Israel. Of who the phariees are supposedly a part of. It is foolish to think the phariees are the only part of the house of Israel. If they never repent. God will destroy them too. God said he would smite those who do not follow him, And when all Israel are saved they will know he is the Lord. And when the Gentiles see them in their land and in peace (which has never been) and prosperity and their land yeilds the food, with rain that is perfect to grow enormous Crops. They the gentiles will see this and praise God. That what ezekial says. Did ezekial lie?

Are you still denying that God, through Ezekiel, called Jerusalem a HARLOT?

A daughter of the mother harlot is still a harlot. You have not proven she is the mother. Jerusalem did not get her harlotry from being jew. they got it from those who conquered and those who conquered her. She is not the mother.

Yes Ezekial said that she would be taken captive for her harlotry. He also said they would be returned. Then he said they would be taken again. Only this time completey removed from her land (this did not happen with babylon it happened only when titus destroyed them) and scattered all over the world (again this did not happen until Titus did it) But then he says again they will be returned. (ez 36 37)

I guess we reject those passages.


How can paganism be the Mother of Harlots? Whore in OT scripture means commiting ADULTERY. Pagans dont even believe in the God of Israel so how can they be knowingly WHORING.
No pagans have thier own Gods. You commit harlotry by sleeping with these false Gods. (which is what the jews were doing in Ezekial) Like you commit harlotry by sleeping with a prostitute. The prostitute is the whore. not the one commiting adultry. she would be the adulterer.

Isreal was the wife. She slept with the whore (mother) She was not the mother. Why can't you see this??


Paganism is the LOVER. The LOVER of the WHORE just like Ezekiel says. Maybe now you've decided to debate me again you can address this:

(Ezekiel 16:35) Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:

(Ezekiel 16:36) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;


???

Look again at the strongs concordance of what the word means:

HARLOT - H2181
זנה
zânâh
zaw-naw'
A primitive root (highly fed and therefore wanton); to commit adultery (usually of the female, and less often of simple forniciation, rarely of involuntary ravishment); figuratively to commit idolatry (the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Jehovah): - (cause to) commit fornication, X continually, X great, (be an, play the) harlot, (cause to be, play the) whore, (commit, fall to) whoredom, (cause to) go a-whoring, whorish.

Do you still claim a wife cannot be a harlot?

Who is the whore and who is the lover in these verses?
Sorry I don't trust strongs. I will wait till I get home and look up more reliable lexecons.

But I will say this. If I keep sleeping with the same prostitute. She is my lover. And I use her to replace my wife.

The prostitute is still the harlot I slept with.



Yes..the Hebrews took little souveneirs from her LOVERS. So what?
lol. It was those souveneers that made her the adultress. But you can't see this!!

RCC influences the world? SHE'S A BABY DAUGHTER!!
baby? You look at history? Who killed many of Gods people for thousands of years because they were so called "heretics?

Sorry. I am not buying your baloney!
You think Isreal has more influence today than rome? You don't get around very much do you? Stop reading your biased websights and get out in the world and you would see.

Who would have more of a following? the pope, or the high priest of the pharisees?

lets get them together and see who would win!
She does everything mamma wants!
Rome did not get her doctrines from jerusalem. She got it from the high priest of the pagan cult who was in power in rome at the time she became the church of rome.



A GREAT decoy...nothing more!
That is what jerusalem is. Has you hooked line and sinkered into believing she is the mother.
 
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Nah. He gave them a choice. Jesus or a real sinner. He did not think they would pick Jesus over barabus. But they did.

They still had no power. why are you so convinced they did??
Oh boy......Why did Pilate even give them the choice if he KNEW Jesus HAD NO FAULT IN HIM?

I mean did Saul have power killing Christians by jerusalem? or was it because he was a A Roman Citizen and had the power of Rome behind him.

its funny. When Paul was in jerusalem, the jews wanted to have him killed. They could not do a thing because he was a roman citizen by birth. no one would touch him.

poor old Jews. they could not kill a christian without the power of Rome, then they could not kill a christian because of the power of Rome. Yep they had so much power.


any more tricks up your sleeve? You seem to be failing miserably to prove jerusalem had any power whatsoever other than what ROME gave them!
How about the stoning of Stephen?

Did Rome sign off on that one?

WHO does SCRIPTURE say is responsible for ALL the blood of the prophets?

(Matthew 23:37) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Does that verse say O Rome, Rome?

what does this have to do with Jerusalem having power?
Huh?

does jerusalem (which is Christian, Islamic and Christian) have all that power? Why don't they just kick the christians and Islams out and rebuild the temple if they have so much power.
Oh and here you go flip-flopping back to saying that the actual CITY is the Whore and not that it represents the PEOPLE who fornicate. WHO CARES about whats going on in the actual CITY of Jerusalem....ITS THE PHARISEES. They are all over the world.

Let put this to the test. Lets go to every country. You open a tulmad store selling goods which represent them. I will open a catholic store selling stuff which represent them. I bet I make a heck of a lot more loot than you do! Why? The world hate those who call themselves Jews. The world loves that which calls itself the church of Christ. WHy do you think the world will mourn so hard when they are destroyed?
Is that why 90% of Christians think Rome is the Whore?

Is that why Jews are protected by the ADL and you cant even critisize israels national policy without ignorant bigots calling you an antisemite?

Is that why the RCC is such an OBVIOUS TARGET?

Talmudic Judaism runs EVERYTHING. All worldly systems will come crashing down when she goes under. The merchants especially will mourn.

I don't know. did I misunderstand you. You said we know who rules that temple cult, then said pharisees. How els was I too take it other than you believed the phariees ruled that temple?
What temple?

Who said anything about the UN? Is the UN rome?? why do you keep assuming you know what I believe?? You all keep making false accusations against me saying I believe this. when I don't. then you never admit you were wrong. why is that?
Oh thats rich.

You tell me. Daniel makes it clear HE (the prince who is to come) makes a covenant for 1 week (7 years) sometime after the city and temple is destroyed (done by titus in AD 70) and in the middle of that week commits the abomination of desolation. Why would he commit an abomination in the temple and break that covenant? What covenant? You all keep telling me there is none. Gabriel said there is. what is it?? You gonna keep hidiing from it?

Think about it. If he makes a one week covenant, and then we are told in the middle of that week he commits the abomination. It is logical to understand the covenant had something to do with the temple which allowed him to commit the abomination. There has been no temple since titus destroyed it. So what covenant. and what temple??
Ii have no idea what your going on about. You must have to go to dispy school to get up to speed on that stuff. Daniel is completely and totally fulfilled. No amount of lawyeristic jumbling of numbers is gonna change that.

No I am talking about the house of Israel. Of who the phariees are supposedly a part of. It is foolish to think the phariees are the only part of the house of Israel. If they never repent. God will destroy them too. God said he would smite those who do not follow him, And when all Israel are saved they will know he is the Lord. And when the Gentiles see them in their land and in peace (which has never been) and prosperity and their land yeilds the food, with rain that is perfect to grow enormous Crops. They the gentiles will see this and praise God. That what ezekial says. Did ezekial lie?
No he didnt lie, he prophesied the return from exile. Fulfilled.

But lets get back to WHO you were talking about. You said they still havnt repented and are still in sin and denial. Now your saying THEY are the House of Israel. Does this mean Jews + all the other tribes who you have no idea who they are or what state their heart is in?

If so, how can you make this statement?

What about 'Jews' who have accepted Jesus?

What about someone who converts to Judaism tomorrow? Does that make them party to prophecy suddenly? We know that happens for conversion to Christianity but what about Judaism?

A daughter of the mother harlot is still a harlot. You have not proven she is the mother. Jerusalem did not get her harlotry from being jew. they got it from those who conquered and those who conquered her. She is not the mother.
HUH?

I wanted clarification on:

Did Ezekiel call Jerusalem a Harlot??

Is it YES OR NO?

And you give me this nonsense?

Jerusalem....was...erm...jew....was it? HUH?

Yes Ezekial said that she would be taken captive for her harlotry. He also said they would be returned. Then he said they would be taken again. Only this time completey removed from her land (this did not happen with babylon it happened only when titus destroyed them) and scattered all over the world (again this did not happen until Titus did it) But then he says again they will be returned. (ez 36 37)

I guess we reject those passages.
So Israel commited WHOREDOMS right? With her LOVERS?

No pagans have thier own Gods. You commit harlotry by sleeping with these false Gods. (which is what the jews were doing in Ezekial)
RIGHT! Jerusalem was the WHORE.

Like you commit harlotry by sleeping with a prostitute.
Dude. Can you please grasp this. WHORE means to commit adultery. You are a whore (in OT language) if you cheat on your spouse. It doesnt matter if you cheat on your spouse with a hooker or a single lady or even a SHEEP...YOU are called a whore. The LOVER is not a prostitute. Nowhere in scripture does God describe Israels lovers as whores or prostitutes or Harlots. Its ALWAYS Israel who is the Harlot for CHEATING ON GOD.
The prostitute is the whore. not the one commiting adultry. she would be the adulterer.
**[Face palm]**

WHY....DOES....EZEKIEL...CALL the one commiting adultery the WHORE and the pagans as LOVERS THEN?????????????????????????

Why do you insist on calling Israels lovers PROSTITUTES? Where does scripture ever say that?

Isreal was the wife. She slept with the whore (mother) She was not the mother. Why can't you see this??
Lolz...BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE??

Israel was the wife. She went awhoring (cheating) with her LOVERS just like scripture sayz. and God called her a WHORE and a HARLOT.

This is not rocket surgery you know?

I have to assume that you are simply in blind denial.

Sorry I don't trust strongs. I will wait till I get home and look up more reliable lexecons.
You do that.

But I will say this. If I keep sleeping with the same prostitute. She is my lover. And I use her to replace my wife.

The prostitute is still the harlot I slept with.
Oh man....

What if your NOT sleeping with a prostitute? What if you just meet a sexy girl who's single?

In that case YOU are WHORING and she is just a LOVER.

lol. It was those souveneers that made her the adultress. But you can't see this!!
I see it just fine. Israel was an adultress because the pagans offered all kinds of shiny idols. Great.

Jerusalem was still the one knowingly commiting adultery though. So shes the harlot.

baby? You look at history? Who killed many of Gods people for thousands of years because they were so called "heretics?
The temple cult in fancy robes. Judaized Xtianity. They sneaked in! We were warned of it.

Sorry. I am not buying your baloney! You think Isreal has more influence today than rome? You don't get around very much do you? Stop reading your biased websights and get out in the world and you would see.

Who would have more of a following? the pope, or the high priest of the pharisees?
The Pharisees. Without a doubt.

I'm happy to debate you on whats going on in the world any time your ready. We can start with WORLD COMMUNISM (It's always been the biggest weapon of the beast system) and see if this was created by Rome or by Jerusalem. Are you game?

Rome did not get her doctrines from jerusalem. She got it from the high priest of the pagan cult who was in power in rome at the time she became the church of rome.
Who are you trying to kid?

RCC and EOC worship is a CARBON COPY of Old Testament TEMPLE WORSHIP.

This is the stuff the PHARISEES wanted to cling to soooooo desperately.

And apostate Israel picked up some wacky stuff from paganism (her lover) and incorporated it into the God given TEMPLE WORSHIP and thats how you end up with RCC and EOC.

That is what jerusalem is. Has you hooked line and sinkered into believing she is the mother.
Lolz...suuuuure.

Great decoy. Thats why 90% of Christians think RCC is the whore.
 
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No denying there. If Jerusalem ruled the world Christ would not have to be sent to Pilot Who answered to Caesar. who was in Rome. They could have crucified him themselves if they were in charge.

As for antichrist ruling. He does not rule it. It says she gave the antichrist power. Then the antichrist destroyed her.
EG I believe that Babylon is the Papacy and the Pope is the Antichrist, even Zone although she believes it is Jerusalem at least admits that the Papacy seem to have a nice fit.